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Who is "eligible" for the G league? It's not just limited to 2-way deals and people with less than $50K guaranteed, right? It is those plus entry deals?
I think the distinction here is that he's not eligible to be on the G League roster. He can be on the Celtics roster or a 2 way player, and play in the G League. At least that's my understanding.
According to this article - https://2ways10days.com/theres-a-new-50k-rule-involving-the-nba-g-league-e0c658b085 - affiliate and two-way contracts cannot be given to players who have guarantees greater than $50,000.

I posted in another thread that CelticsBlog had the same information so it seems correct.
 

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I believe it is possible for the Celtics to place Green on the 15-man roster, and assign him to the G-league. From my understanding, any NBA player with 0-2 years of experience can be assigned by the parent club to their G-League affiliate. Robert Williams had a guarantee of a lot more than $50K last year, and he still played for Maine.

It does appear Green cannot be signed to a 2-way contract, as a 2-way player is essentially a G-League player that can appear in a limited number of NBA games.
 

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It is a bit frustrating how often TimeLord seems to get hurt in practice, warm-ups, getting his coffee in the morning or whatever. Last season there seemed to be a number of times when he could have had an opportunity to show his stuff, but he had some sort of ailment.
 

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https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/10/al-horford-doesnt-believe-the-boston-celtics-could-have-coexisted-if-kyrie-irving-returned-report.html
I just think that if Kyrie would have stayed, I don’t know if it would have worked.
Horford said things would have been different if he knew Kemba Walker was coming, but at that point decisions had been made by both sides. It would have required Simone Biles-level cap gymnastics for the Celtics to bring Walker aboard while keeping Horford.
 

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He's clearly trying to be careful, but I think we get the gist of it...
 

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It would have made me feel better.
Then listen to Gorman on the Chris Mannix podcast. He laid 85% of the problem last year at Kyrie's feet. That Kyrie who played for the Cavs and wouldn't speak to any of his teammates, that's the Kyrie we got, combined with him throwing a teammate or two under the bus whenever he felt like it.
 

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I always felt that Al would have the best perspective, and am glad he shared what he shared. I'm a big believer in disinfectant, and shining a light on what happened to last year's team is warranted, even if it violates some unwritten "code".

While there was indeed a lot of blame to go around, it's also clear that "Kyrie being a toxic teammate" is now a pattern. A true leader would not be bragging about his phone call to LeBron where he whined about his younger teammates. It's now obvious why everyone associated with the Celtics has welcomed Kemba with open arms.
 

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I believe it is possible for the Celtics to place Green on the 15-man roster, and assign him to the G-league. From my understanding, any NBA player with 0-2 years of experience can be assigned by the parent club to their G-League affiliate. Robert Williams had a guarantee of a lot more than $50K last year, and he still played for Maine.

It does appear Green cannot be signed to a 2-way contract, as a 2-way player is essentially a G-League player that can appear in a limited number of NBA games.
Bracketing what they can do, it seems the team had to make a strong pitch to convince him they had a place for him to convince him not to just go back to Europe:

Ainge said the Celtics had internal discussions about signing Green during the middle of last season. When they did not, he became the highest priority for their summer roster. But after his frustrating experience on Phoenix’s squad a year earlier, Green was reluctant.

“It probably took me a month and a half of talking to him and his agent to convince him to even play summer league with us,” Ainge said. “It was quite a recruitment process for a summer league invite. But we had to convince him that we had serious interest and were strongly considering him for the Celtics.”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/10/09/overlooked-more-celtics-javonte-green-charging-toward-roster-spot/BWEI2GmZKPFpYsN2oJvTpO/story.html
He doesn’t sound like a guy who would be interested in the G League, and he’s already experienced other options.
 

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I tuned in to last night's game at the end of the first quarter with the Celtics holding a 33-8 lead, but saw the rest of it.

Theis and Smart joined the lineup with Kemba out, and that unit worked. I imagine that there will be certain matchups where Theis isn't the best option at C, but those aside he may be the right guy.

Tatum and Hayward did not have great shooting games but they (with Brown) were flying all over the place. Tatum had one great drive in the second half where he drive to the basket and evaded Mo Bamba for a layup. He seems to be learning how to change speeds and direction on drives to open things up for himself.

Celtics' 3-point shooters were mostly not hitting, the exceptions being Smart (4-6), Williamd (2-4), and Semi (1-2). The rest of the team was collectively 5-27, "led" by a 1-7 from Carsen Edwards. But Edwards showed some ability to get to the basket and finshed with 9 points on 4-12 overall. Smart ht one third quarter baseline 3 in which he released the shot and immediately turned and started running down the court with his shot still in the air.

On the bench unit, Kanter's shot wasn't falling but he had 8 rebounds and 2 assists in 18 minutes.

Langford got his first minutes and immediately scored a basket on a nice drive, but also looks like he's more of a developmental guy.

Fall didn't do much in his 6 minutes.

The young guy who really impressed me at the end was Tremont Waters: 6 points, 3 assists, 2 steals in 11 4th quarter minutes and made an imprint on the game. This guy has all the PG tools except height - I hope he makes it.
 

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Waters really seems to have quick hands. Not that he should, but if he played significant minutes he'd be a steals machine.

I thought Brown looked better last night than in the first game, so that was encouraging. I thought it was still a strong game from Tatum despite the misses. I like what I've been seeing on the defensive end from him as well. I think he is going to be the Celtics best player this season.

It's only 2 pre-season games in, but I'm not seeing "Utah Gordon" yet. I'm seeing a guy that drives to the basket and gets swallowed up a lot.
 

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I don't get a vote, but I'd be giving both Waters and Edwards minutes on this year's team and finding another use for Wanamaker. They are legit.
 

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It's only 2 pre-season games in, but I'm not seeing "Utah Gordon" yet. I'm seeing a guy that drives to the basket and gets swallowed up a lot.
You never will either.....but I’m just a troll for calling that one year in Utah “HGH Gordon.” ;)
 

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I don't get a vote, but I'd be giving both Waters and Edwards minutes on this year's team and finding another use for Wanamaker. They are legit.
My vote is to keep Wanamaker on the deep bench, with Edwards in the rotation (when Walker is on the bench) and Waters primarily in the G-League on his two-way contract. Release Strus, convert Fall to the other two-way deal, and sign Green for the 15th roster spot.
 

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You never will either.....but I’m just a troll for calling that one year in Utah “HGH Gordon.” ;)
The NBA has 450 of the most competitive athletes in the world and how many performance-enhancing suspensions have we seen over the last 10 seasons? It borders on comical.

Did LeBron make his annual pilgrimage to East Germany this Summer?
 

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My vote is to keep Wanamaker on the deep bench, with Edwards in the rotation (when Walker is on the bench) and Waters primarily in the G-League on his two-way contract. Release Strus, convert Fall to the other two-way deal, and sign Green for the 15th roster spot.
I'll sign on to that.

I like Waters in that change of pace spark plug role that Larkin brought a couple years ago.
 

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The NBA has 450 of the most competitive athletes in the world and how many performance-enhancing suspensions have we seen over the last 10 seasons? It borders on comical.

Did LeBron make his annual pilgrimage to East Germany this Summer?
I had a basketball player at a division 1 school explain to me what NBA players said about drug testing in the NBA. He said it was a huge joke.

Like, not just idiomatically. It was a huge joke. They planned and held post-drug testing party celebrations. It was a fun thing for them, like their own little reverse Mardi Gras.
 
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I had a basketball player at a division 1 school explain to me what NBA players said about drug testing in the NBA. He said it was a huge joke.

Like, not just idiomatically. It was a huge joke. They planned and held post-drug testing party celebrations. It was a fun thing for them, like their own little Mardi Gras.
Yea, I had a friend embedded in the pro tennis world. He said when they get a positive result they tell the player to take 3 months off under the guise of an injury and then come back clean.

Tennis officials don't want to kill their golden geese. Federer(38), Nadal(33), Djokovic(32), Serena(38) seem to be passing the Barry Bonds threshold of absurd longevity.
 

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Bracketing what they can do, it seems the team had to make a strong pitch to convince him they had a place for him to convince him not to just go back to Europe:


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2019/10/09/overlooked-more-celtics-javonte-green-charging-toward-roster-spot/BWEI2GmZKPFpYsN2oJvTpO/story.html
He doesn’t sound like a guy who would be interested in the G League, and he’s already experienced other options.
For those on the board better versed in league rules, is there a plausible path to keeping both both Green and Fall?
 

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For those on the board better versed in league rules, is there a plausible path to keeping both both Green and Fall?
Green on the 15 man roster
Tacko 2-way

Strus cut

My expected 15 man roster: Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Kemba, Theis, Smart, Edwards, Kanter, Grant, Langford, Semi, Poirier, TL, Wannamaker, Green

2-way contracts: Waters, Tacko
 
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Yeah, I think at this point they waive Strus and outright him to Portland for development time.
 

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What is the upside for Strus? Because I see none for Semi and Wannamaker. I’d rather Waters to 15 and Fall, Strus 2 way
 

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The NBA has 450 of the most competitive athletes in the world and how many performance-enhancing suspensions have we seen over the last 10 seasons? It borders on comical.

Did LeBron make his annual pilgrimage to East Germany this Summer?
Some have been obvious like Aaron Williams, the journeyman big for the Nets, who packed on bodybuilder like muscles in one offseason. Most others aren't about added muscle as it is for improving their recovery time for guys like Turkoglu, OJ Mayo, and Rashard Lewis. A few years ago Derrick Rose was asked about steroids in the NBA and he publicly stated how it was a huge problem throughout the league.......of course this came from one of the most explosive and injury-prone players in the game. Hmmmm. Gordon Hayward's body today doesn't even resemble that of his body during his contract year in Utah.....and neither does his game.
 

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For those on the board better versed in league rules, is there a plausible path to keeping both both Green and Fall?
I was about to say that the Celtics basically have 3 spots (one regular roster spot plus 2 2-way spots) for 4 guys: Green, Fall, Waters, and Strus.
But now it looks like Strus has claimed the lone regular roster spot.
That would seem to suggest that Fall and Waters get the 2-way spots, or that more moves are coming.

That's surprising.

Edit: Or maybe not.This would actually make a lot of sense.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1183420619540647937?s=20


1. They promised Strus a 2-way deal, and signed him to one.
2. Now they want Strus' 2-way slot to go to Fall.
3. They sign Strus to a partially guaranteed NBA deal, so that when they cut him, he walks away with at least as much money as he would have earned via the 2-way.

So this looks like a decision to give Fall a 2-way deal.
 
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If Fall and Waters are on two-way contracts, Strus in the 15th player, and other moves do not occur (moving/removing Ojeleye or Wannamaker), then Green doesn't look as if he will be a Celtic. Am I missing something?
 

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If Fall and Waters are on two-way contracts, Strus in the 15th player, and other moves do not occur (moving/removing Ojeleye or Wannamaker), then Green doesn't look as if he will be a Celtic. Am I missing something?
That's right.

Keith Smith's thinking makes sense, though. This may jut be a make good for Strus, and he'll get cut, then Green can get signed to the 15th spot.
 

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Yeah, by keeping their promise to Strus it makes it easier to waive him and assign him to Maine after.
 

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Yeah, by keeping their promise to Strus it makes it easier to waive him and assign him to Maine after.
I don't believe Strus can be an affiliate player in Maine if the Celtics waive him. Green can't either. Guarantees are too big. I'm guessing that one of them will be the odd man out.
 

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I don't believe Strus can be an affiliate player in Maine if the Celtics waive him. Green can't either. Guarantees are too big. I'm guessing that one of them will be the odd man out.
Yeah, in fact one has to be the odd man out unless they cut Wannamaker or Semi. Guess we're looking at Waters and Tacko as the 2-ways this year.
 

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Yeah, in fact one has to be the odd man out unless they cut Wannamaker or Semi. Guess we're looking at Waters and Tacko as the 2-ways this year.
I would not be surprised to see Waters on the regular roster before the year is up if he can prove that he has a reliable 3 pointer.
 

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I would not be surprised to see Waters on the regular roster before the year is up if he can prove that he has a reliable 3 pointer.
For sure--for now they want to keep the optionality of having his 4-year clock not start. If he overperforms or some guards go down, he could easily see significant time.
 

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I had Strus last on the roster and Green as the guy I’d keep over the rest but what do I know.