Celtics vs Heat ECF Redux Discussion Thread

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If they play G7 like they played G6 they are going to lose win by 20.
They're not shooting 20% from 3 again. An average playoff performance from 3 by them and that's a 15-point win.

Tatum isn't scoring, what, 4 points in the entire second half, again.

If they play tonight's defense in G7, they will run the Heat out of the garden and chase them into the harbor. They will be fishing the corpses of Heat players out of the Charles River all of next week if we play defense on Monday like we did tonight. Pat Riley will light his hairspray-laden coifs on fire and be like Denethor flinging himself off the peaks of Minas Tirith, if we play defense Monday like we did tonight. Ron DeSantis may actually have Florida secede from the union. That's how good our defense was on Miami tonight.
 

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I just don’t feel the high because I just don’t see how they can actually win the whole thing when they can’t finish games they aren’t leading by more than 10 late. It’s a great win and at this point you have to like our chances and hope you can just shoot the ball well again but once again blowing a 10 point lead late really shakes me. Expect it’s not a popular opinion but it’s just how I feel about this team.
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Haven’t followed the coverage of Brogdon’s injury super closely - is there a chance he comes back for Game 7? For all his defensive and other issues they could use his three-point shooting.
 

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Such a weird box score to look at. Tatum/Brown were 0-12 from 3, but 17-26 from 2 and got to the 25 times. Butler/Bam were 9-37, but had an insane 14 offensive rebounds and Jimmy went full Tatum @ Game 6 Philly at the end. Really hope this is an early killshot for Miami, I don't want anything to do with another close game against Jimmy Butler.
 
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I feel bad for the posters whose takeaway is "Man, they played bad tonight." We've been asking them to win a close game all playoffs and they pulled it out with good defense, effort, and triumphing in the face of adversity. They were on the road and forced a bunch of role players to step up while holding Adebayo and Butler to pedestrian shooting numbers.

We don't look at "Havlicek stole the ball!" as luck or a choke (they were up by 8 heading to the 4th in that game). Just let this sit in the annals of history as an amazing win and be glad that we got to witness it.

Fuck yes. Oh my god. We're going to game 7 at home with all of the momentum. This team is showing a ton of spine.
This team has a ton of spine. And we only find out because of the situations they put themselves in! That said, I think they'll come out rocking in Game 7. Heat won't turtle completely but they are bone tired and at some point the role players are not going to shoot 50+% from 3. Get the jump on them early and let the crowd do some work. Basically the Game 5 plan.
 

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Haven’t followed the coverage of Brogdon’s injury super closely - is there a chance he comes back for Game 7? For all his defensive and other issues they could use his three-point shooting.
He can’t shoot at all it appears. If he went out there and PJ Tuckered it, that might help.
 

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Seems like Jaylen Brown is back. I think if he hadn’t gotten into foul trouble that would have been an easy win. I don’t like how much we seem to apparently be missing Brogdon a lot on the offensive end. Tatum was insane in the first half
With Jaylen in foul trouble and Grant being absolutely horrible, Brogdon's offense was sorely missed. It's lucky TL was able to give them more good minutes in the 2nd half, or it would've been uglier.

If they win G7, Derrick White will be mentioned in the same sentence as Dave Roberts and Malcolm Butler.
Absolutely, although they may need to win the title (not just the series) for him to get that level of recognition.
 

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Butler seems very weird these last few press conferences.
He's turning back into a pumpkin. He played like complete garbage tonight and just barreled into people all 4th qtr for a FT parade. Put this collapse on his legacy right next to all the playoff jimmy bullshit and pulling up for that 3 last year.
 

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The Heat, particularly Spo and Butler, are saying all of the right things after that loss…but it seems like they are trying to convince themselves.
Not only do you blow a 3-0 lead but you lose like that?! I just don’t think you can come back from that
 

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They're not shooting 20% from 3 again. An average playoff performance from 3 by them and that's a 15-point win.

Tatum isn't scoring, what, 4 points in the entire second half, again.
Agree on both, but also....Jimmy Butler and Bam aren't shooting 5-21 and 4-16, respectively, again either.
 

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Probably aware his legacy is about to be on the line, probably not something he expected after the run Miami has had.
It just seems like very fake Buddhist to me or something, I don’t know, opposing team, maybe I’m being harsh.
 

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Agree on both, but also....Jimmy Butler and Bam aren't shooting 5-21 and 4-16, respectively, again either.
Definitely not THAT bad…but Jimmy and Bam both haven’t been good these last 3 games. They both look like they’re tired
 

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Butler seems very weird these last few press conferences.
It's a show, he's playing up to a character, but also... this team is loaded with guys who haven't really won before, he is trying to project calm and confidence. Also, he's very very much a weirdo.

He's turning back into a pumpkin. He played like complete garbage tonight and just barreled into people all 4th qtr for a FT parade. Put this collapse on his legacy right next to all the playoff jimmy bullshit and pulling up for that 3 last year.
He made some key plays down the stretch and had 8 AST. If they win this it's talked about much like Tatum's game 6 against PHI... guy can't buy a bucket but rebounds, passes, then turns it on late to seal the deal.
 

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The Heat, particularly Spo and Butler, are saying all of the right things after that loss…but it seems like they are trying to convince themselves.
Not only do you blow a 3-0 lead but you lose like that?! I just don’t think you can come back from that
it’s a heartbreak loss for them, but they can also feel good about clawing back into it, hitting three super clutch free throws, and only losing on a buzzer beater putback. I think it would have been much worse for the Celtics to lose that one.
 

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Celts got a very good whistle (in the fourth especially), so don’t take this the wrong way. But Butler absolutely double dribbled on that go ahead 3 point attempt he was fouled on. Would have been criminal to lose on that garbage attempt after really controlling the game most of the night. Credit the Heat for battling back when their two stars didn’t have it, but despite the Celtics making some bad mistakes down the stretch , still felt like they deserved this game (in my biased view!)
 

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I feel bad for the posters whose takeaway is "Man, they played bad tonight." We've been asking them to win a close game all playoffs and they pulled it out with good defense, effort, and triumphing in the face of adversity. They were on the road and forced a bunch of role players to step up while holding Adebayo and Butler to pedestrian shooting numbers.

We don't look at "Havlicek stole the ball!" as luck or a choke (they were up by 8 heading to the 4th in that game). Just let this sit in the annals of history as an amazing win and be glad that we got to witness it.

Fuck yes. Oh my god. We're going to game 7 at home with all of the momentum. This team is showing a ton of spine.
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Agree on both, but also....Jimmy Butler and Bam aren't shooting 5-21 and 4-16, respectively, again either.
true, but odds are good the Heat won't shoot 14/30 from 3... if both teams revert to the mean on shooting it's good for Boston, because of the math problem. That the Celtics were on the wrong end of it in a huge way and won... well usually that means you outplayed your opponent.
 

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Does the nba do the last two minute report in the post season? Fascinated to know whether Butler should have been called for a double dribble. I think he gathers and loses the ball but have no idea how that is supposed to be called
 

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LOL. Al is 36, 2 years older than another former All-Star forward on the roster who definitely is washed.

I like Al too, he's a valuable piece on the team, but he sometimes looks pretty washed. It's OK to admit, but let's just hope we don't see that version in the next game.
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Not sure why 85 year old Al is getting 31 minutes and playing like garbage end of game while Rob, who played great, got 17.
 

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I feel bad for the posters whose takeaway is "Man, they played bad tonight." We've been asking them to win a close game all playoffs and they pulled it out with good defense, effort, and triumphing in the face of adversity. They were on the road and forced a bunch of role players to step up while holding Adebayo and Butler to pedestrian shooting numbers.
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No they didn’t. Mazz said in the press conference the primary option was Tatum but they doubled him.
Not sure how much of a double team he had but he was at half court with his momentum facing the wrong direction. A pass to him would've led to a pull up three five feet behind the line.

Smart set the screen for Brown. Looked like the play was to him as opposed to Tatum who just coasts to half court. After Smart set the screen the pass could've gone to Brown (back to the basket) or Smart for three
 

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Not sure how much of a double team he had but he was at half court with his momentum facing the wrong direction. A pass to him would've led to a pull up three five feet behind the line.

Smart set the screen for Brown. Looked like the play was to him as opposed to Tatum who just coasts to half court. After Smart set the screen the pass could've gone to Brown (back to the basket) or Smart for three
Maybe. Didn’t seem like a particularly great play either way although I guess Smart getting up a shot very quickly ended up paying major dividends.
 

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Maybe. Didn’t seem like a particularly great play either way although I guess Smart getting up a shot very quickly ended up paying major dividends.
That little time, all you're really looking for is a guy who can get the ball on the rim almost immediately and then you all crash.
 

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Celts got a very good whistle (in the fourth especially), so don’t take this the wrong way. But Butler absolutely double dribbled on that go ahead 3 point attempt he was fouled on. Would have been criminal to lose on that garbage attempt after really controlling the game most of the night. Credit the Heat for battling back when their two stars didn’t have it, but despite the Celtics making some bad mistakes down the stretch , still felt like they deserved this game (in my biased view!)
It was the only reason he got a shot off.. he was trying to pull up and Al would have blocked a shot from there.. Al only got behind because the double dribble wasn't called and Butler was able to get ahead of him by two steps to get to the corner.
 

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Not sure how much of a double team he had but he was at half court with his momentum facing the wrong direction. A pass to him would've led to a pull up three five feet behind the line.

Smart set the screen for Brown. Looked like the play was to him as opposed to Tatum who just coasts to half court. After Smart set the screen the pass could've gone to Brown (back to the basket) or Smart for three
Smart set a bad screen on Bam which is why he had to cut to the ball.. if he sets a real screen on Bam then Brown gets the ball with a pretty open look..or a drive to the basket. The other option would have been for Brown to pass to White for a wide open three on the side or in the corner.. because I'm pretty sure his man completely left him to force the pass away from Tatum.. which is why Strus was late behind White to get the rebound.
 

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BTW on the L2M, I rewatched the replay a bunch, I think it's going to be listed as an error on the challenge. Based on clock they call Horford for the bump on the body not on the shot, but they gave Jimmy continuation.... reasonable so far.... except.... Jimmy double dribbles before he shoots. By rule that violation makes the continuation not valid. So just a foul on the floor, which should have been 2 FTs not 3.
 

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BTW on the L2M, I rewatched the replay a bunch, I think it's going to be listed as an error on the challenge. Based on clock they call Horford for the bump on the body not on the shot, but they gave Jimmy continuation.... reasonable so far.... except.... Jimmy double dribbles before he shoots. By rule that violation makes the continuation not valid. So just a foul on the floor, which should have been 2 FTs not 3.
Why can that be considered if you can’t actually challenge the violation itself?
 

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Celts got a very good whistle (in the fourth especially), so don’t take this the wrong way. But Butler absolutely double dribbled on that go ahead 3 point attempt he was fouled on. Would have been criminal to lose on that garbage attempt after really controlling the game most of the night. Credit the Heat for battling back when their two stars didn’t have it, but despite the Celtics making some bad mistakes down the stretch , still felt like they deserved this game (in my biased view!)
He most definitely did double dribble. If the NBA wants to justify the foul call they can say that the foul was actually just before the double dribble (there is some contact right before Butler picks up the ball) but in that case they could only give him 2 shots - as that was before the shot. By giving Butler the 3 shots it seems to support the notion that they called the foul on his 3 pointer, but that means they completely missed the double dribble. Pretty horrific officiating and I’m not getting why they couldn’t have fixed their mistake when Mazz used his coach’s challenge..
 

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Because LOL MODERN NBA at calling a double dribble in a pivotal moment of the conference finals, even on replay.

Will definitely keep an eye out for the L2M.
 

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The double dribble was at 3.8, but they called the foul on the gather at 3.0. I don't see how it should have been 2 shots as called. They could have called a foul before the double dribble, but I think that contact was deemed to be marginal and was not the foul called.
 

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The double dribble was at 3.8, but they called the foul on the gather at 3.0. I don't see how it should have been 2 shots as called. They could have called a foul before the double dribble, but I think that contact was deemed to be marginal and was not the foul called.
In that case, shouldn't they just have waived off the shot all together and called it a double dribble?