CFB 2021 Week 8: Bear Down for Midterms

moondog80

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On paper the college OT rule seemed dumb to me. But that was the most into a no-rooting interest game I have been in a long, long time. I think the NFL should consider going right to the alternating two point conversions.
 
On paper the college OT rule seemed dumb to me. But that was the most into a no-rooting interest game I have been in a long, long time. I think the NFL should consider going right to the alternating two point conversions.
It would have made a lot more sense to me if they'd have kept all of the two-point conversions at the same end of the field, and kept the same sequence of who attempted their conversions first and second. Let the team that won the coin toss choose whether to go first/second or the end of the field. The rhythm of the OTs seemed needlessly disrupted by all of the time wasted moving up and down the field.
 

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I just saw that Iowa State "taunting" play.

Holy cow, football is broken if that is a penalty. Fire that ref immediately. That really can't happen. Thankfully they did score a few plays later.

Still, you cannot take a touchdown off the board for a guy running into the end zone with a mini high step.
 

SMU_Sox

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Navy was trying to set up for a field goal at the end of the first half. Ran for a three yard loss, sacked for a six yard loss, 51-yard field goal blocked, Cincinnati hits the 51-yard field goal to the end the half. 13-10 Cincy rather than 13-10 Navy.

Still though, close game.
Navy might lose the rest of their games but they have played SMU and Cincinnati to the wire. Seems like they can't figure out a way to win but they can hang with most. Feel like wins are around the corner for you all.
 

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On paper the college OT rule seemed dumb to me. But that was the most into a no-rooting interest game I have been in a long, long time. I think the NFL should consider going right to the alternating two point conversions.
This was actually the XFL's format (2020 version), although they never had a game go to overtime. Five rounds then sudden death. Not sure if they would have flipped the sides of the field every round -- I think not.

It's definitely entertaining, although I think it's kind of dumb from a sporting perspective.
 

SMU_Sox

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That 4th and 18 UCLA fade was definitely DPI. He looked back but then tackled him before the ball got there. Awful missed call.
 

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Navy might lose the rest of their games but they have played SMU and Cincinnati to the wire. Seems like they can't figure out a way to win but they can hang with most. Feel like wins are around the corner for you all.
Yeah, they're getting better. Actually out-gained Cincinnati today (308-271).
 

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It would have made a lot more sense to me if they'd have kept all of the two-point conversions at the same end of the field, and kept the same sequence of who attempted their conversions first and second. Let the team that won the coin toss choose whether to go first/second or the end of the field. The rhythm of the OTs seemed needlessly disrupted by all of the time wasted moving up and down the field.
After each period the teams have options again. Whoever lost the overtime coin toss gets first option in every even numbered period, whoever won the toss gets first option in every odd period. Getting a coach to make a decision can be...laborious, even if we are leading them to water every time, we still have to ask: "Coach, you want defense right?" "Coach, you don't want to switch sides, right?"
 
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moondog80

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This was actually the XFL's format (2020 version), although they never had a game go to overtime. Five rounds then sudden death. Not sure if they would have flipped the sides of the field every round -- I think not.

It's definitely entertaining, although I think it's kind of dumb from a sporting perspective.
I found the old college format dumb, but this I kind of like. For one thing, there's no advantage to going first (or last, as it was in the previous college rules).
 

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Yeah, if you're interested, I recommend this Twitter thread by the guy who put together the XFL rulebook.

View: https://twitter.com/schwartzsteins/status/1452105962194489345


One of things he talks about is both actual fairness and perceived fairness -- he wanted a format that was both actually fair and also felt fair. The old college format was not actually fair, since the team that goes second has more information. And NFL overtime, while actually fair (in so far as that the team that wins the toss only wins ~50% of the time), doesn't feel fair to fans. Personally, while I think that's fine for a made-for-TV league like the XFL, I'm not sure perceived fairness ought to carry a lot of weight in major college football.

I also loved this:

View: https://twitter.com/schwartzsteins/status/1452105985674252293


Old California HS football had teams alternating plays from midfield with each team next play starting where the last team play ended. Winner is after 5 rounds who gained the most distance from the 50. A true tug of war version of football.
For the record, here's my proposal: At the beginning of overtime, one team is given one extra point and the other team is given the ball with 1:00 (or whatever) on the clock. Neither team has any timeouts. To determine which team gets which, each coach submits a "bid" of what yardline they are willing to accept position. If my team is willing to take the ball on our own 20, and your team is only willing to take the ball on your own 25, you get the 1-point lead and I get the ball on my own 20.