Chelsea 2014-15: Minute 30, 33, 43 and 69

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Good game gents, just wish we (Everton) wouldn't have given up so many in the first 3.5 minutes of the game.  None the less it was a great game to watch and had a little bit of everything.  Looking forward to the reverse fixture in hopes that the game is equally as good, but with us coming out on top though.
 

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Loftus Cheek, Musonda, and Solanke combine for a nice goal in the youth ranks

http://youtu.be/5r1yV2Zfsro

Disappointing start to the CL campaign, Drogba starting was not only a surprise but clearly a mistake, Draxler really gave us some problems, what a talent:
http://youtu.be/Kgt3KFWY4gU

Real interested to see who is in the 11 versus City. I would imagine 433 with Ramires in the middle to give Cesc more freedom to get forward, the question is does that leave out Schurrle or OScar? A long shot would be to see Jose throw out a diamond with two up top.
 

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I don't know where else to put this. I'm staying at a "Paradise Hotel" in South Korea this week for a conference, adjacent to a Paradise Casino.

Apparently Mourinho is their brand ambassador for the casino. There are tons of videos/soft focus pictures of Jose in dark grey turtlenecks all over the place. None of my co-workers know who he is, but it's making me laugh about 2-3 times a day, usually when I turn a corner and there's a 8 foot high image of the Special One looking right at me.
 

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I don't know where else to put this. I'm staying at a "Paradise Hotel" in South Korea this week for a conference, adjacent to a Paradise Casino.

Apparently Mourinho is their brand ambassador for the casino. There are tons of videos/soft focus pictures of Jose in dark grey turtlenecks all over the place. None of my co-workers know who he is, but it's making me laugh about 2-3 times a day, usually when I turn a corner and there's a 8 foot high image of the Special One looking right at me.
 
Pics, please. 
 

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All of the talk about "parking the bus" or "playing like a small team" is a red herring.  If that strategy is so effective, why won't Pellegrini just do the same thing when the play at Chelsea later in the season?  City didn't last year, and probably won't this year.  Mourinho's strategies work largely because of all the effort he and his team put into preparation.  Mourinho's Chelsea tactics have always revolved around a solid back 5/6 supplemented with a handful of players able to play both ways and a few uniquely able to provide moments of brilliance (first Drogba, now the Cesc/Costa partnership).
 
I don't remember the last time a Mourinho team walked into the Etihad/Emirates/Old Trafford with the intention of dictating the game.  His approach might be cynical, but so is life.
 

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Seconded.
It's been a busy week so far, all I could get was one in the elevator. The SoSH app doesn't seem to let me upload from my camera roll? (Says "upload failed"). I'll try to post it when I get back.
 

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It's been a busy week so far, all I could get was one in the elevator. The SoSH app doesn't seem to let me upload from my camera roll? (Says "upload failed"). I'll try to post it when I get back.
 
It's been a big month for elevators.
 

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Finally got them onto photobucket - in the elevator:
 

 
and a luggage cart at the airport:
 
 

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The signs say "we would like to ask" but the pictures say "give me your soul". 
 
Those are fantastic, thanks cgori. I love that he didn't bother to shave for the photo shoot. HOBO MOURINHO FOR THE WIN!
 

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Andre Schurrle is the most entertaining player to watch in the EPL. Not the most talented, not the most electrifying, not the best...just entertaining. I spent the second half just watching him off the ball. Dude is an insanely hard worker and his angles are just so much fun to see emerge. 
 
Oscar is also turning into one hell of a central midfielder with Cesc and Matic; the Dark Lord has him playing some mighty fine defensive football to go with his innate offensive talent. 
 

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I think this team is going to walk the premier league and is as good a bet to win the Champions League this year as anybody, Bayern included. They're just a well oiled machine and they can play any style - pressure up the field on defense or parking the bus, dominating possession on offense or playing on the break. Only injuries can slow them down.
 

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Gary Neville interviews Mourinho: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11170519/Jose-Mourinho-talks-to-Gary-Neville-They-wanted-us-to-be-the-clowns-at-Anfield-we-werent-having-that.html
 
 
“I felt during part of last season that the country wanted Liverpool to be champion,” he starts out. “The media, the press: a lot was to put Liverpool there. Nobody was saying they were in a privileged situation because they didn’t play Champions League. Nobody was speaking about a lot, a lot of decisions that helped them win important and crucial points. And I felt that day was a day that was ready for their celebration.

“I used the word with my players. I said – we are going to be the clowns, they want us to be the clowns in the circus. The circus is here.Liverpool are to be champions.”
 
There's much more than that, too.  Interesting throughout.  
 

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Chelsea up 3-0 on Maribor in the first half of a champions league match. Good day for the old men. Drogba scores on a PK and Terry slides in a pass from Fabregas.

Edit: neglected to mention that Drogba came in after Remy appeared to suffer a groin injury. Doubtful if he'll be back for the United match.

Final score was 6-0 today. Hazard added 2 and NK Maribor had an own goal. Dominic Solanke had his debut today as a late sub for the Blues. He was recently promoted from their U21 team.
 

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Rematch with NK Maribor in Slovenia tomorrow. Mourhino wasn't happy with their effort against QPR Saturday, saying the team and the Stamford Bridge crowd seemed asleep at times. It will be interesting to see how they respond in their CL contest.
 

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Today's match would have been a blowout had it not been for West Brom's goalkeeper, Ben Foster. He didn't get much support from his defenders and singlehandedly kept them in the game.
 

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Well, that and the fact that Chelsea played the 2nd half at half-speed. There was some conservation of energy and "don't get hurt" thoughts flowing right along with "what if we try this crazy angle?" and "how many passes can we string together along the top of the box"?
 

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Already having been handed the EPL title by many pundits, Chelsea find themselves tied at the top by Man City entering the holiday season. They are experiencing adversity without really slumping. A game on Monday at Stoke awaits, with any outcome conceivable. It's not like it's a must win game at this point in the season, but it's becoming essential that they don't drop points with City lurking and playing well. Without having won the league with most of this batch of players, I wonder if doubt may creep in if they start to falter.
Between now and New Years, getting results seems more important than playing well.
In fact, it appears likely City could overtake Chelsea during this period. They have West Brom on the road, and Burnley and Sunderland at home, while the Blues have West Ham at home, followed by away games with Southampton and Tottenham.
It's looking like a two horse race, but beyond that, it's hard to call.
 

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Already having been handed the EPL title by many pundits, Chelsea find themselves tied at the top by Man City entering the holiday season. They are experiencing adversity without really slumping. A game on Monday at Stoke awaits, with any outcome conceivable. It's not like it's a must win game at this point in the season, but it's becoming essential that they don't drop points with City lurking and playing well. Without having won the league with most of this batch of players, I wonder if doubt may creep in if they start to falter.
Between now and New Years, getting results seems more important than playing well.
In fact, it appears likely City could overtake Chelsea during this period. They have West Brom on the road, and Burnley and Sunderland at home, while the Blues have West Ham at home, followed by away games with Southampton and Tottenham.
It's looking like a two horse race, but beyond that, it's hard to call.
Careful. Its mildly interesting that City can have closed the gap so quickly, but there's way too much season left for any of this to matter. Title run ins are crazy affairs and everyone drops points. The media did go over the top with Chelsea but their match against Stoke is just one match. Both sides are going to leak a number of points over the next few months
 

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Chelsea win comfortably, 2-0. I get your point teddy. It's not that the league could or would be decided at this point, more that swings of momentum often happen at this point in the season. As a sports fan with pecularities, I like to pore over the tea leaves at times and see what they portend.
Chelsea got past a potential pitfall and continue to play good football. I feel they're going to have to keep it up, as City seem to have shaken out of their funk.
 

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Gary Neville made a good point about this. Teams going for the title will try and get in the refs heads. By refs I mean all of them. Fergie used to do it supremely well. I watched his interviews on Sky and the BBC and in both he was animated, excarbated but very clear in what he was trying to do...which is get the message out there...get the refs talking, thinking...and if that gets him three or four key decisions, from now till the end of the season it's worth it. It actually might get him more than that. Not for a second does Neville or his co pundit Souness think that Jose thinks there is an actual campaign against them. It's not about that, it's about getting every single edge you can...and if it's worth a point it's worth it.
 

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Terry made a pretty brutal decision on the goal. Hazard is very good. Very fun match to watch. I'm rooting for Southampton this season. Field played like crap, players slipping and sliding everywhere.
 
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It felt like a joke from him or one of his teammates getting his phone.
 
But I don't hate Chelsea, so what do I know.
 

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So, about this whole ref bias thing.....
I wish it would go away, but there's little chance of that happening.  I can see both sides.  On one hand, I've seen Chelsea get jipped on countless occasions this year, mainly penalty non-calls.  I understand why Mourinho, or any manager, would feel slighted.  Yes, it happens to all teams at times, and that is surely what JM needs to accept.  But, it has happened a lot to Chelsea this year.
On the other hand, the Blues have a lot of European players, quick, skilled and shifty.  They get fouled a lot, but have this habit of stopping, or falling over, when they feel they've been fouled. I've seen this type of play from Barca and RM quite a bit over the years.  I think the average fan of English football is easily frustrated by this habit, myself included.  The ref is naturally swayed by this behavior, often calling things he might have let be, and conversely at times not calling fouls because he is sick of the ploy.  On top of that, you have Mourinho, who seems to invite controversy every time he opens his mouth.  I read his comments, and much of what he claims is dead on, yet he never misses a chance to twist the knife, and he now is treated with suspicion by almost every neutral in the game.  I didn't get a full look at that scuffle after Barry got his second yellow.  I saw Ivanovic kind of horse collar McCarthy, but I really wouldn't describe what followed as a head butt.  I could see that deserving of a yellow, but I don't think it was given.  I've read some reviews, all suggesting he'll likely get a 3 match ban for that, and it seems harsh.  I'll stop short of calling it a "campaign" against Chelsea, but I do think the fact that Ivanovic plays for Chelsea will factor in to the decision.
You have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Jose, but it would be nice if he could find a way to de-escalate the situation.
And I would like to see a bit less of the simulation that occurs when selling a foul, and that goes for everyone, okay?
 

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I'll stop short of calling it a "campaign" against Chelsea, but I do think the fact that Ivanovic plays for Chelsea will factor in to the decision.
 
As a biased Chelsea supporter, I feel the same way. I don't think the refs or FA is inherently biased against Chelsea. I do think that being top of the table makes every bit of controversy into a story, and the FA tends to react in part based on the level of media coverage of an incident.
 
I think Costa deserved the recent suspension. Like Jose, I'm not sure how he gets suspended and some other players don't for similar violent actions. It seems that whatever gets the most coverage on MotD gets a ban.
 

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Jose will never de-escalate the situation. This is what he does, as much as possible he takes the focus off the team when dealing with the press. He knowingly makes it about him. He gets the column inches, the players go train. We talk less about the players and more about him, which is, some might say, great management. It doesn't hurt that Jose loves his relationship with the English Press, and they love having him around cos he's a page filler.
 

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So, about this whole ref bias thing.....
I wish it would go away, but there's little chance of that happening.  I can see both sides.  On one hand, I've seen Chelsea get jipped on countless occasions this year, mainly penalty non-calls.  I understand why Mourinho, or any manager, would feel slighted.  Yes, it happens to all teams at times, and that is surely what JM needs to accept.  But, it has happened a lot to Chelsea this year.
On the other hand, the Blues have a lot of European players, quick, skilled and shifty.  They get fouled a lot, but have this habit of stopping, or falling over, when they feel they've been fouled. I've seen this type of play from Barca and RM quite a bit over the years.  I think the average fan of English football is easily frustrated by this habit, myself included.  The ref is naturally swayed by this behavior, often calling things he might have let be, and conversely at times not calling fouls because he is sick of the ploy.  On top of that, you have Mourinho, who seems to invite controversy every time he opens his mouth.  I read his comments, and much of what he claims is dead on, yet he never misses a chance to twist the knife, and he now is treated with suspicion by almost every neutral in the game.  I didn't get a full look at that scuffle after Barry got his second yellow.  I saw Ivanovic kind of horse collar McCarthy, but I really wouldn't describe what followed as a head butt.  I could see that deserving of a yellow, but I don't think it was given.  I've read some reviews, all suggesting he'll likely get a 3 match ban for that, and it seems harsh.  I'll stop short of calling it a "campaign" against Chelsea, but I do think the fact that Ivanovic plays for Chelsea will factor in to the decision.
You have to take the good with the bad when it comes to Jose, but it would be nice if he could find a way to de-escalate the situation.
And I would like to see a bit less of the simulation that occurs when selling a foul, and that goes for everyone, okay?
 
Come on.  It's all well and good when Jose does this nonsense, but don't believe the hype.  I can only speak to consistent ref issues as a City fan, but there have been countless penalties not called for City, which would really hurt the narrative.  Chelsea have a 7 point lead right now because City were denied a penalty vs Hull when Silva was clearly fouled in the box.  When Chelsea and City played head to head, did Jose cry about Matic being allowed to foul at will all over the pitch without so much as a card? Cahill, Fabregas, and Ivanovic have all gotten penalties on dives this season, but does Jose bring that up? Jose's complained about the ball boys and the impossible scheduling of a midweek fixture (which everyone has to deal with everywhere).
 
It's fine if Mourinho wants to do this siege mentality thing.  This is stuff straight out of Ferguson's playbook in terms of influencing refs in the future.  But let's not act like Chelsea are actually being persecuted in any way.  They're getting the same shitty refereeing everyone else in the league is getting.  There isn't a fan in this league who doesn't feel like their team has been robbed of points this season, Chelsea do not have a monopoly.  And if Chelsea want to not have to worry about retrospective action, they should probably not get involved in things that lead to it.  More than anything, as fans, we all end up with a confirmation bias problem.  We remember vividly all the calls that don't go our way and tend to forget all the ones that do.
 

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Yeah Teddy and Fletch both touched upon it but its just his style, which IMO works for him and his team.  Ferguson did it for years and people used to flip out because of the supposed gift decisions United received.  Its actually one of the reasons I think Moyes was let go...he didn't do it enough.
 

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Yeah, I know Jose will never change, and probably shouldn't. Just makes me squirm sometimes.
Interesting point about Moyes. Maybe Paul Lambert would still have a job if he could only have channeled his inner Jose.
And Teddy, I took some care to point out these sorts of decisions are hardly unique to Chelsea; it's more that they are the team at the center of the present controversy. So you come on.
 

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Yeah, I know Jose will never change, and probably shouldn't. Just makes me squirm sometimes.
Interesting point about Moyes. Maybe Paul Lambert would still have a job if he could only have channeled his inner Jose.
And Teddy, I took some care to point out these sorts of decisions are hardly unique to Chelsea; it's more that they are the team at the center of the present controversy. So you come on.
 
You did.  The only part I really disagree with is the idea that it's happening to Chelsea more than anyone else.  Jose is making a bigger issue of it than most, but I don't think Chelsea have been victimized at all this year by this issue on the aggregate.  If there must be a controversy, it probably should be on the overall quality of officiating in the league and how they're demonstrably unable to consistently get big decisions in the box correctly across the board.  If anything, Mourinho's antics are getting him better treatment, not worse.  Again, last week versus City, Matic makes a very hard challenge along the touch line and the ref actually goes over to Mourinho to explain himself (no card).  How many managers in the Prem today have that happen?  
 

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This was always my go-to post when Chelsea fans complained the refs were biased against them.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8180zt-xQ
 
Not only was Bosingwa not sent off, there wasn't even a foul called.  No supplementary discipline, either.  And yes, that is Mike Riley, who is now the head of officials.
 
The officials just aren't that good, period.  They blow lots of calls for/against everyone.
 

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That Bosingwa incident was what 5 years ago?


teddykgb said:
  Cahill, Fabregas, and Ivanovic have all gotten penalties on dives this season, but does Jose bring that up? .
This is definitely not factual, Chelsea have only been awarded two penalties this season total, both were for fouls on Hazard.

Anyways, I don't think I really by the ref bias thing. I think Mourinho is a lightning rod for criticism and controversy so he doesn't help himself, but I do think he purposefully takes the pressure off the players, and it works.

I also think the media has an unfavorable view of Chelsea, especially when compared to the traditional powers, but also when you compare us to City. Maybe that is because we softened the blow for them with the whole oil money club thing, idk. I do know that MOTD went out of their way to show the Ivanovich non incident with McCarthy, and newspapers actually posted headlines about did Ivan bite him? But no one mentioned the clear handball in the box by Everton.

Do I think Costa deserved to be suspended? Probably,lord knows he has definitely accumulated enough dick-ish incidents to make it warranted, but I definitely though the reaction to it was insane. One of the headlines was Diego Costa Crimes. It's something that happens quite often, and no one would have cared if it was Sterling stepping on Ivanovich. On that related note, Gary Neville wrote an interesting piece:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11379981/Diego-Costa-is-a-monster-thats-why-I-love-him.html

Even if you disagree I find the notions of how soft the Premier League has gotten to be quite interesting.

In the end, it is an all around good debate to have, and we can still talk about the football being played on the pitch. Chelsea just took 7 points without Costa playing a minute and Cesc only playing about a half hour. Players like Willian, Remy, Mikel, and Ramires stepped up showing that our depth is actually pretty solid, and Matic continued, in my opinion, to be our most important player. And then there's Kurt Zouma, 20 years old and cracked the most consistent CB duo in the League to become a starter in the middle of a title race, starting against City, Liverpool, and Everton. He really reminds me of Sol Campbell. His size and frame make him seem a bit lumbering, but he has a good bit of pace, huge strides, and his last ditch tackles have been immense.
He really put Lukaku in his pocket midweek:

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Hazard just signed a 5 year contract with Chelsea, and it could be argued he was the Blues most important player while Costa and Fabregas were out with the offense he generates on his own off the dribble.

Cuadrado brings an element of speed to the Chelsea attack. It's going to be fun to see how he, Hazard, and Willian work together.
 
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