Choose your own adventure: Seahawks style

Do you trade Russell

  • Yes

    Votes: 73 64.0%
  • No

    Votes: 39 34.2%
  • Other

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ThePrideofShiner

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You are the Seattle Seahawks. You have a 3-8 team with a mildly broken QB and no first round draft picks.

Do you try to convince Russ to run it back and say this year was an anomaly? Do you trade Russ for as many first round picks as you can?

Also, who is a team who wants him and where does he want to go?

He's no spring chicken, but when healthy he's obviously one of the best in the league.

Thoughts? Theories? Kvetching?
 

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I wouldn’t trade him, I would rebuild around him. He’s an elite talent and one off year in a deteriorating situation isn’t gonna sour me on him enough to trade him.

Problem is he’s gonna try to shoot his way out, and I could see SEA trading Russ while pushing Uncle Pete out as part of a total blowup.

EDIT - I didn’t realize Pete is under contract through 2025, that would be a pricey sunk cost to swallow.
 
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The problems start with Pete. He needs to go, period. The coaching as a whole needs a giant enema. I'm willing to give John Schneider a chance without Pete looking over his shoulder dictating what to do. Especially since he's signed through 2026 I think. I'd eat the cost of getting rid of Pete. The best thing is that he thinks he's run out the string in Seattle and goes to Notre Dame or some other high level college, because I think he's allowed to leave for a college job (have to research again, but thought I heard this).

If they could re-load while trading Russell, I'd be okay with it, but it would take something like the Jets sending back our pick, their #1 and Zach Wilson to do it.
 

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The problems start with Pete. He needs to go, period. The coaching as a whole needs a giant enema. I'm willing to give John Schneider a chance without Pete looking over his shoulder dictating what to do. Especially since he's signed through 2026 I think. I'd eat the cost of getting rid of Pete. The best thing is that he thinks he's run out the string in Seattle and goes to Notre Dame or some other high level college, because I think he's allowed to leave for a college job (have to research again, but thought I heard this).

If they could re-load while trading Russell, I'd be okay with it, but it would take something like the Jets sending back our pick, their #1 and Zach Wilson to do it.
Sure but you need to return Geno Smith!

I definitely wouldn’t disagree with someone as informed and invested as @DanoooME, but I’d explore the hell out of a Russ trade. No doubt that the system is a bigger culprit than the QB talent, but if Russ isn’t into it, as his trade explorations suggest, you’re figthing against the tide. Marcus Mariota could be an intriguing candidate for the rebuild.
 

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The problems start with Pete. He needs to go, period. The coaching as a whole needs a giant enema. I'm willing to give John Schneider a chance without Pete looking over his shoulder dictating what to do. Especially since he's signed through 2026 I think. I'd eat the cost of getting rid of Pete. The best thing is that he thinks he's run out the string in Seattle and goes to Notre Dame or some other high level college, because I think he's allowed to leave for a college job (have to research again, but thought I heard this).

If they could re-load while trading Russell, I'd be okay with it, but it would take something like the Jets sending back our pick, their #1 and Zach Wilson to do it.
Honest question.. is Pete the reason that Russell seems to only look for Lockett on pass plays? As a ffb owner of Metcalf I'm sort of shocked as to how few looks he gets per game.. not even pass attempts.. but Russell actually looking to see if he's open.
 

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I have seen nothing in the last half decade that tells me Wilson is an upper tier QB.
 

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Wilson is the face of the franchise. You can't trade him for reasons that are unrelated to the actual team-building. You build around him. Plus Metcalf could probably get you as much or close to it based on age.

Start with building the lines and work outward. He's 33, still probably has 8-10 years left.

Honestly, I'd probably get rid of Norton before Pete, but maybe that's because I love Pete. (Or did before the last couple of years)
 

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I voted no, but now I'm thinking i might do this if i were Seattle:

Russell Wilson for the 2 Jets first round picks and a decent Jets starter (not Moore or Franklin-Meyers).
 
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I voted yes because I think they’ll gauge the market and there will be a very good deal to be had. (Maybe Wilson for Wilson plus a first and a few non-first picks that they can use to bolster their lines.). Seattle seems stuck in a mediocrity cycle, they can’t get their pieces to fit and Pete is near the end. It’s not a terrible time to blow it up.
 

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Start with building the lines and work outward. He's 33, still probably has 8-10 years left.
Uhh, I’ll take the under.

Tom Brady has broken people’s brains. There is no planet where 41-43 year old Russell Wilson is throwing passes in the NFL. Literally none.
 

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I voted no, but now I'm thinking i might do this if i were Seattle:

Russell Wilson for the 2 Jets first round picks and a decent Jets starter (not Moore or Franklin-Meyers).
He has a $40 Million cap hit next year and then will be an UFA. To keep him, you will need an extension that pays him Mahomes money for 3-4 years. Will his 34-38 year old seasons be enough to get the Jets anywhere near the playoffs, especially giving up picks and a young starter? Since 2012, he has been the most sacked QB in the league...and he leads that category by 70 (!!!!). I do this in a heartbeat if I am Seattle.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacked-qb-since-2012
 

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I said is the game thread last night that they should trade him to Miami for Tua and a 2nd. I'm sure that got some laughs but as PC points out, his cap hit is so prohibitive that next year is likely a losing season based on how the team is built that trading him is their best bet. A similar extension to Mahomes does the same thing to this team for another 3-4 years. Seattle cannot protect him or build an OL to help at his cap hit without destroying other areas of the team. Let the trading team take the hit and worry about a debilitating extension.

Seattle needs to clean house. Both GM and Pete need to go. Stop trading multiple picks for guys like Jamal Adams. Trade to Miami for Tua and a 2nd and absorb the entire hit. Then spend building an offensive line and extending Metcalf. Draft to rebuild their LBs to replace Wagner and his upcoming decline.
 

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Going into this season, Mike Sando's poll of NFL executives had Wilson as the #4 QB in the league.

If Bill Simmons wouldn't sue me, I would put his trade value for QBs at 9 (In some order: Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson, Herbert, Prescott, Burrow, Murray, Josh Allen) tied with Matt Stafford. I guess I would hear an argument about Kirk Cousins.

My point: Wilson is a very valuable asset going through a bad year. He would command a lot on the trade market. What would Carolina give up for him?
 

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I said is the game thread last night that they should trade him to Miami for Tua and a 2nd. I'm sure that got some laughs but as PC points out, his cap hit is so prohibitive that next year is likely a losing season based on how the team is built that trading him is their best bet. A similar extension to Mahomes does the same thing to this team for another 3-4 years. Seattle cannot protect him or build an OL to help at his cap hit without destroying other areas of the team. Let the trading team take the hit and worry about a debilitating extension.

Seattle needs to clean house. Both GM and Pete need to go. Stop trading multiple picks for guys like Jamal Adams. Trade to Miami for Tua and a 2nd and absorb the entire hit. Then spend building an offensive line and extending Metcalf. Draft to rebuild their LBs to replace Wagner and his upcoming decline.
Tua has done nothing to prove he is anything but a low tier starter. No chance Tua/2nd gets Miami anywhere near Russ, especially with multiple QB-needy teams with significant draft capital like the Jets, Giants, and Philly (3 #1’s!)
 

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I have seen nothing in the last half decade that tells me Wilson is an upper tier QB.
This is...something. Here are his past four seasons (prior to this one):

3,983 yds, 7.5 y/a, 34 td, 11 int, 95.4 rating, 586 rush yds, 3 rush td, team goes 9-7 with the #11 ranked D
3,448 yds, 9.0 y/a, 35 td, 7 int, 110.9 rating, 376 rush yds, team goes 10-6 with the #16 ranked D
4,110 yds, 8.0 y/a, 31 td, 5 int, 106.3 rating, 342 rush yds, 3 rush td, team goes 11-5 with the #26 ranked D
4,212 yds, 7.5 y/a, 40 td, 13 int, 105.1 rating, 513 rush yds, 2 rush td, team goes 12-4 with the #22 ranked D

TOT: 65.4%, 15,753 yds, 140 td, 36 int, 104.0 rating, 1,817 rush yds, 8 rush td, team goes 42-22 (.656) with a D that's basically in the lower half of the league

Not an upper tier QB? Okay.
 

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Tua has done nothing to prove he is anything but a low tier starter. No chance Tua/2nd gets Miami anywhere near Russ, especially with multiple QB-needy teams with significant draft capital like the Jets, Giants, and Philly (3 #1’s!)
How are you factoring in the cap hit now and with an extension?

Where do Wilson, Jones, or Hurts fall in your starter scale? Yeah, jury still out on Wilson but he has shown almost nothing this year.

I cannot see any team giving up multiple 1s and taking the cap hit and staying competitive in the next 3-4 years.
 

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How are you factoring in the cap hit now and with an extension?

Where do Wilson, Jones, or Hurts fall in your starter scale? Yeah, jury still out on Wilson but he has shown almost nothing this year.

I cannot see any team giving up multiple 1s and taking the cap hit and staying competitive in the next 3-4 years.
They all suck, IMO. But they’re not the prize in any deal. The picks attached to them would be. Tua is not a good NFL QB. Maybe he develops into one but I don’t see it. And a 2nd isn’t that valuable. Shoot, Mohamed Sanu fetched one.

Wilson makes sense for Miami but I believe it’d be Tua and at least one first. I think the cap hit isn’t a big driver here. Seattle wouldn’t care about their cap hit in a rebuilding situation and the acquiring team would extend him to mitigate the issue on their end.

Big X factor for me is Watson situation since he could take one of those teams off the table if he’s able to return.
 

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They all suck, IMO. But they’re not the prize in any deal. The picks attached to them would be. Tua is not a good NFL QB. Maybe he develops into one but I don’t see it. And a 2nd isn’t that valuable. Shoot, Mohamed Sanu fetched one.

Wilson makes sense for Miami but I believe it’d be Tua and at least one first. I think the cap hit isn’t a big driver here. Seattle wouldn’t care about their cap hit in a rebuilding situation and the acquiring team would extend him to mitigate the issue on their end.

Big X factor for me is Watson situation since he could take one of those teams off the table if he’s able to return.

I'd agree that each team does not have their QB for the future.

I think that any team giving up multiple 1s and taking the cap hit will be in the exact same situation as Seattle now finds themselves. That's why I think taking that cap hit and extending his 34-38 seasons at a hit under 20MM per (however it is structured) is the best bet.

I think taking the cap hit off Seattle's books is worth at least a first rounder and possibly a 1st and more.
 
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I'd agree that each team does not have their QB for the future.

I think that any team giving up multiple 1s and taking the cap hit will be in the exact same situation as Seattle now finds themselves. That's why I think taking that cap hit and extending his 34-38 seasons at a hit under 20MM per (however it is structured) is the best bet.

I think taking the cap hit off Seattle's books is worth at least a first rounder and possibly a 1st and more.
New Orleans could be an interesting option too. They value the draft differently than most and seem to push their chips in (or try) every year.
 

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I'd agree that each team does not have their QB for the future.

I think that any team giving up multiple 1s and taking the cap hit will be in the exact same situation as Seattle now finds themselves. That's why I think taking that cap hit and extending his 34-38 seasons at a hit under 20MM per (however it is structured) is the best bet.

I think taking the cap hit off Seattle's books is worth at least a first rounder and possibly a 1st and more.
But you’re not taking the cap hit off their books if you trade for Wilson. There would be considerable “dead money” on Seattle’s books if they trade him. Looks like $26M in 2022 and $13M in 2023 if it’s a pre-June 1 trade, which it likely would be for draft purposes.

If Wilson forces his way out, my guess is Seattle would gladly take that hit as long as sufficient assets are coming back. I don’t view Tua and a 2nd as being significant enough, especially in what would likely be a bidding war amongst several teams. Jets and Giants are both likely to be sitting on 2 top 10 picks. Philly will have 3 top 15 picks. Teams like Pittsburgh, Denver, Carolina, etc. may be willing to throw a ton of draft capital at Seattle as well.
 

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Russ will need to restructure for a trade to happen, but I think they need to blow the whole thing up and trade as many guys not named Metcalf as possible. Pete and Schneider need to be fired before the final whistle.
 

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That Seattle pick the Jets have is currently an even better pick than their own.

If I’m the Jets I’m keeping those picks and trying the build an OL and DL, not blowing up the cap with Wilson.

Philly makes more sense as a trade partner.
 

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But you’re not taking the cap hit off their books if you trade for Wilson. There would be considerable “dead money” on Seattle’s books if they trade him. Looks like $26M in 2022 and $13M in 2023 if it’s a pre-June 1 trade, which it likely would be for draft purposes.

If Wilson forces his way out, my guess is Seattle would gladly take that hit as long as sufficient assets are coming back. I don’t view Tua and a 2nd as being significant enough, especially in what would likely be a bidding war amongst several teams. Jets and Giants are both likely to be sitting on 2 top 10 picks. Philly will have 3 top 15 picks. Teams like Pittsburgh, Denver, Carolina, etc. may be willing to throw a ton of draft capital at Seattle as well.

Yep, I didn't look at the dead money and I understand that. As Flawless mentioned, a restructure and trade is still pretty valuable.

Tua and a 2nd may not be valuable enough in this scenario but I don't see a player and multiple 1s being traded for Wilson and then an extension.
 

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Philly makes sense for these reasons:

1. They are obsessed with QBs. They traded a ton of draft picks for Wentz, locked him up long-term, then less than a year later drafted Hurts in the 2nd round.
2. Wentz's dead money comes off the cap next year.
3. They have their OL locked up (aside from Kelce who will be there or retire) and a young stud WR in Smith to build on.
4. They have three 1st round picks next year and Jalen Hurts available in this hypothetical trade.

Assuming Pete is still in Seattle he may be interested in a dynamic running QB.
 

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This is...something. Here are his past four seasons (prior to this one):

3,983 yds, 7.5 y/a, 34 td, 11 int, 95.4 rating, 586 rush yds, 3 rush td, team goes 9-7 with the #11 ranked D
3,448 yds, 9.0 y/a, 35 td, 7 int, 110.9 rating, 376 rush yds, team goes 10-6 with the #16 ranked D
4,110 yds, 8.0 y/a, 31 td, 5 int, 106.3 rating, 342 rush yds, 3 rush td, team goes 11-5 with the #26 ranked D
4,212 yds, 7.5 y/a, 40 td, 13 int, 105.1 rating, 513 rush yds, 2 rush td, team goes 12-4 with the #22 ranked D

TOT: 65.4%, 15,753 yds, 140 td, 36 int, 104.0 rating, 1,817 rush yds, 8 rush td, team goes 42-22 (.656) with a D that's basically in the lower half of the league

Not an upper tier QB? Okay.
Good stats. Weird that literally every game I see him play he looks like shit. Maybe it's just me.
 

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Philly makes sense for these reasons:

1. They are obsessed with QBs. They traded a ton of draft picks for Wentz, locked him up long-term, then less than a year later drafted Hurts in the 2nd round.
2. Wentz's dead money comes off the cap next year.
3. They have their OL locked up (aside from Kelce who will be there or retire) and a young stud WR in Smith to build on.
4. They have three 1st round picks next year and Jalen Hurts available in this hypothetical trade.

Assuming Pete is still in Seattle he may be interested in a dynamic running QB.
That's a good call.

I think you have to at least explore the Wilson trade market if you're Seattle.

QBs may be aging better in general, but I see Russ more on the Roethlisberger trajectory than on the Brees, Rodgers, or (at the extreme) Brady trajectory. Russ has been very tough and durable but he has taken a ton of hits over the course of his career due to his playing style (416 sacks is a huge number at 33, almost as much as Brees had when he retired, and then you have a ton of hits on runs as well).

I'm not sure what is wrong with Russ right now but even if we assume its just a blip and not the start of some kind of significant decline then I see that decline coming within 2-3 years anyway. And given that the NFC West is arguably the toughest division in football right now and the Seahawks have a lot of other problems, I don't like their chances of making serious noise in the next 2-3 years if they keep Wilson.

All that said, I'm only trading him if a really good offer comes in. There's little point if the offer is like two first round picks that both profile to be in the 20s.
 

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Honest question.. is Pete the reason that Russell seems to only look for Lockett on pass plays? As a ffb owner of Metcalf I'm sort of shocked as to how few looks he gets per game.. not even pass attempts.. but Russell actually looking to see if he's open.
Russell is broken. I don't know why. He has zero confidence throwing anything over the middle. He's not seeing open receivers on a regular basis. Pete may be the reason why. Things seemed to change after a bad game last year, I think against the Rams, where Pete criticized the team (mostly Wilson) for the turnovers in the game. Russell stopped taking chances at that point. He got happy feet, the OL was a disaster and he just couldn't focus on delivering the ball well. That has continued into this year and it's gotten worse since the finger injury, because now he doesn't have the accuracy to bail him out of situations. I don't know if it was that criticism specifically, or Pete having a private meeting with him, or an undisclosed injury, or a personal issue or what, but he hasn't been the same QB. I have a feeling it's mostly Pete, and they need to get rid of one of them for them to both flourish again. It's not working as it is.

I have seen nothing in the last half decade that tells me Wilson is an upper tier QB.
Then you need to sober up.

Wilson is the face of the franchise. You can't trade him for reasons that are unrelated to the actual team-building. You build around him. Plus Metcalf could probably get you as much or close to it based on age.

Start with building the lines and work outward. He's 33, still probably has 8-10 years left.

Honestly, I'd probably get rid of Norton before Pete, but maybe that's because I love Pete. (Or did before the last couple of years)
They aren't trading Wilson willy-nilly. They don't have the cap space to improve the lines. Wilson and Metcalf are the only two assets that would bring back enough draft capital to justify dealing them. And I'd rather keep Metcalf because he's 10 years younger, even though I understand how important the QB position is.

The entire coaching staff needs to go except for Larry Izzo, who has done a great job with special teams. Norton has been terrible everywhere since he got a DC job. The talent is there on defense, but it's underwhelming. A lot of that is also scheme and that's on Pete too. I was giving Waldron a break for being new, but the offense has gotten worse every week.

Uhh, I’ll take the under.

Tom Brady has broken people’s brains. There is no planet where 41-43 year old Russell Wilson is throwing passes in the NFL. Literally none.
Yeah, it's unrealistic that he's going to be playing in his 40s. Besides the beating he's taken, he's going to slow down, and that's a significant part of his game, even now.

I said is the game thread last night that they should trade him to Miami for Tua and a 2nd. I'm sure that got some laughs but as PC points out, his cap hit is so prohibitive that next year is likely a losing season based on how the team is built that trading him is their best bet. A similar extension to Mahomes does the same thing to this team for another 3-4 years. Seattle cannot protect him or build an OL to help at his cap hit without destroying other areas of the team. Let the trading team take the hit and worry about a debilitating extension.

Seattle needs to clean house. Both GM and Pete need to go. Stop trading multiple picks for guys like Jamal Adams. Trade to Miami for Tua and a 2nd and absorb the entire hit. Then spend building an offensive line and extending Metcalf. Draft to rebuild their LBs to replace Wagner and his upcoming decline.
I'm willing to give Schneider another shot, because he's never had his own opportunity without Pete hovering over his shoulder. Pete has full control of everything. Schneider is basically a figurehead.

There are a number of teams that would be willing to give up more than the suggested QB and a 2 just because Wilson would make a good team better and if they think they are that QB away, they will pay through the nose. Most of those teams have been listed already and there could be a bidding war.

Wilson is under contract through 2023. If they trade him before the draft this year, it will cost them $26M in dead money, but would clear $11M of cap space. They could live with that in 2022 if they got a cheap young QB in return with a couple of #1s.

They actually already drafted Wagner's replacement (Jordyn Brooks) and he's slowly improving.

Plenty of time to get those six rings
It's fucking garbage like this why we haven't had a Seahawks thread in years. It shows up over and over again and it gets old. Do you see the rest of us bringing up the Tyree catch every other fucking day? And you are one of the main instigators. Go fuck yourself with a rusty sword.
 

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Russell is broken. I don't know why. He has zero confidence throwing anything over the middle. He's not seeing open receivers on a regular basis. Pete may be the reason why. Things seemed to change after a bad game last year, I think against the Rams, where Pete criticized the team (mostly Wilson) for the turnovers in the game. Russell stopped taking chances at that point. He got happy feet, the OL was a disaster and he just couldn't focus on delivering the ball well. That has continued into this year and it's gotten worse since the finger injury, because now he doesn't have the accuracy to bail him out of situations. I don't know if it was that criticism specifically, or Pete having a private meeting with him, or an undisclosed injury, or a personal issue or what, but he hasn't been the same QB. I have a feeling it's mostly Pete, and they need to get rid of one of them for them to both flourish again. It's not working as it is.


Then you need to sober up.


They aren't trading Wilson willy-nilly. They don't have the cap space to improve the lines. Wilson and Metcalf are the only two assets that would bring back enough draft capital to justify dealing them. And I'd rather keep Metcalf because he's 10 years younger, even though I understand how important the QB position is.

The entire coaching staff needs to go except for Larry Izzo, who has done a great job with special teams. Norton has been terrible everywhere since he got a DC job. The talent is there on defense, but it's underwhelming. A lot of that is also scheme and that's on Pete too. I was giving Waldron a break for being new, but the offense has gotten worse every week.


Yeah, it's unrealistic that he's going to be playing in his 40s. Besides the beating he's taken, he's going to slow down, and that's a significant part of his game, even now.


I'm willing to give Schneider another shot, because he's never had his own opportunity without Pete hovering over his shoulder. Pete has full control of everything. Schneider is basically a figurehead.

There are a number of teams that would be willing to give up more than the suggested QB and a 2 just because Wilson would make a good team better and if they think they are that QB away, they will pay through the nose. Most of those teams have been listed already and there could be a bidding war.

Wilson is under contract through 2023. If they trade him before the draft this year, it will cost them $26M in dead money, but would clear $11M of cap space. They could live with that in 2022 if they got a cheap young QB in return with a couple of #1s.

They actually already drafted Wagner's replacement (Jordyn Brooks) and he's slowly improving.


It's fucking garbage like this why we haven't had a Seahawks thread in years. It shows up over and over again and it gets old. Do you see the rest of us bringing up the Tyree catch every other fucking day? And you are one of the main instigators. Go fuck yourself with a rusty sword.
It appears someone didn't enjoy his Monday evening.
 

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I said is the game thread last night that they should trade him to Miami for Tua and a 2nd. I'm sure that got some laughs but as PC points out, his cap hit is so prohibitive that next year is likely a losing season based on how the team is built that trading him is their best bet. A similar extension to Mahomes does the same thing to this team for another 3-4 years. Seattle cannot protect him or build an OL to help at his cap hit without destroying other areas of the team. Let the trading team take the hit and worry about a debilitating extension.

Seattle needs to clean house. Both GM and Pete need to go. Stop trading multiple picks for guys like Jamal Adams. Trade to Miami for Tua and a 2nd and absorb the entire hit. Then spend building an offensive line and extending Metcalf. Draft to rebuild their LBs to replace Wagner and his upcoming decline.
I agree with you that they need to trade Wilson. I agree with you that they need to clean house. I am not sure I agree on the trade for Tua. I think I’d be more interested in trying to get multiple firsts from someone like maybe Denver. Not that your proposal is a bad idea it’s just I am not sold on Tua. I think they need to rebuild their offensive and defensive line. Tua isn’t the model of health and you’d be putting him behind another bad OL. The problem is this year there aren’t a lot of good QB prospects. It might be beneficial to get a 2021 2nd + a bridge starter and at least one 2022 first. Rebuild the offensive line in the 2021 off-season and get a young QB in 2022.

Minor note but not sure why anyone is taking cheap shots here. Petty and adds 0 to the conversation - and this is a good conversation as the Seahawks are at a crossroads.
 

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Russell is broken. I don't know why. He has zero confidence throwing anything over the middle. He's not seeing open receivers on a regular basis. Pete may be the reason why. Things seemed to change after a bad game last year, I think against the Rams, where Pete criticized the team (mostly Wilson) for the turnovers in the game. Russell stopped taking chances at that point. He got happy feet, the OL was a disaster and he just couldn't focus on delivering the ball well. That has continued into this year and it's gotten worse since the finger injury, because now he doesn't have the accuracy to bail him out of situations. I don't know if it was that criticism specifically, or Pete having a private meeting with him, or an undisclosed injury, or a personal issue or what, but he hasn't been the same QB. I have a feeling it's mostly Pete, and they need to get rid of one of them for them to both flourish again. It's not working as it is.


Then you need to sober up.


They aren't trading Wilson willy-nilly. They don't have the cap space to improve the lines. Wilson and Metcalf are the only two assets that would bring back enough draft capital to justify dealing them. And I'd rather keep Metcalf because he's 10 years younger, even though I understand how important the QB position is.

The entire coaching staff needs to go except for Larry Izzo, who has done a great job with special teams. Norton has been terrible everywhere since he got a DC job. The talent is there on defense, but it's underwhelming. A lot of that is also scheme and that's on Pete too. I was giving Waldron a break for being new, but the offense has gotten worse every week.


Yeah, it's unrealistic that he's going to be playing in his 40s. Besides the beating he's taken, he's going to slow down, and that's a significant part of his game, even now.


I'm willing to give Schneider another shot, because he's never had his own opportunity without Pete hovering over his shoulder. Pete has full control of everything. Schneider is basically a figurehead.

There are a number of teams that would be willing to give up more than the suggested QB and a 2 just because Wilson would make a good team better and if they think they are that QB away, they will pay through the nose. Most of those teams have been listed already and there could be a bidding war.

Wilson is under contract through 2023. If they trade him before the draft this year, it will cost them $26M in dead money, but would clear $11M of cap space. They could live with that in 2022 if they got a cheap young QB in return with a couple of #1s.

They actually already drafted Wagner's replacement (Jordyn Brooks) and he's slowly improving.


It's fucking garbage like this why we haven't had a Seahawks thread in years. It shows up over and over again and it gets old. Do you see the rest of us bringing up the Tyree catch every other fucking day? And you are one of the main instigators. Go fuck yourself with a rusty sword.

That is fair on Schneider for sure.

I certainly admit I did not look closely at the dead money hit, as BSF and you point out. I just don't think teams will give up a player and multiple 1s and then extend Wilson. I just don't think any team can continue to build around with the draft or with FA with a huge and prohibitive extension.

As far as your comment to T4W, while fair, it is unnecessary and I already let him know. He either takes part in the conversation constructively or he does not. Since he did not respond, I assume that means he will not and any further drive by comments will be removed.
 

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I agree with you that they need to trade Wilson. I agree with you that they need to clean house. I am not sure I agree on the trade for Tua. I think I’d be more interested in trying to get multiple firsts from someone like maybe Denver. Not that your proposal is a bad idea it’s just I am not sold on Tua. I think they need to rebuild their offensive and defensive line. Tua isn’t the model of health and you’d be putting him behind another bad OL. The problem is this year there aren’t a lot of good QB prospects. It might be beneficial to get a 2021 2nd + a bridge starter and at least one 2022 first. Rebuild the offensive line in the 2021 off-season and get a young QB in 2022.

Minor note but not sure why anyone is taking cheap shots here. Petty and adds 0 to the conversation - and this is a good conversation as the Seahawks are at a crossroads.

Very fair. I may be overstating the value of a trading team taking some of the hit and extending Wilson. I think from a team building perspective, I overvalue not slinging a ton of money at any one player but we are past that for Seattle. I suppose that is why I see an exchange for removing Wilson (restructure or post June 1 trade) and taking that hit off their books and using that capital elsewhere as very valuable to Seattle. Is it first round pick valuable? Well, good question.

Your point about prospects is a very good one.
 
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I still think the Browns make sense. They don't really have a QB to send back to Seattle, but it sure seems as though that the Browns are set up for someone with Wilson's skill set. It would a heckuva lot better risk then extending Baker.
 

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I still think the Browns make sense. They don't really have a QB to send back to Seattle, but it sure seems as though that the Browns are set up for someone with Wilson's skill set. It would a heckuva lot better risk then extending Baker.
The Browns have already picked up his 5th year option, so I presume he would have to get traded? Would Wilson for Baker + the Browns 1st be enough for Wilson? If not, how much more?
 

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I think Seattle played a team last night that could be interested in Wilson. I don't imagine that Washington thinks Heinecke is the future for them, and honestly, Heinecke's game and Wilson's game have a lot of similarities, with the exception that Wilson is a LOT better.

Pittsburgh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Denver could all be potential landing spots as well. Got to imagine Pitt is just about ready to jump into the QB market. Big Ben is toast.
 

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The Browns have already picked up his 5th year option, so I presume he would have to get traded? Would Wilson for Baker + the Browns 1st be enough for Wilson? If not, how much more?
Probably wish-casting for the Browns on my part, I admit. It really all depends how the separation comes about with Seattle as to where he gets dealt.

I've heard the Saints mentioned on the radio a few times and as DotB points out, the Steelers will be in the market.

Of course, the 1B to Russ is JimmyG
 

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New Orleans could be an interesting option too. They value the draft differently than most and seem to push their chips in (or try) every year.
Saints make a lot of sense to me as well, and they were one of the 4 teams his agent said he would accept a trade to last off-season. I think Jets, Bears, someone else...

Or Watson gets traded out and Texans trade for Wilson.

Edit Four teams were Saints, Bears, Cowboys, Raiders.
 

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It appears someone didn't enjoy his Monday evening.
I didn't, for a multitude of reasons in that game (and season for that matter). But I want to get back to the original point because I'm curious as to who you think are the 16 NFL quarterbacks better than Russell Wilson. Because I don't really see it, even with Russell broken right now.

In no particular order, definitely Rodgers, Prescott, Brady, Murray, Mahomes, Jackson & Allen and you could make an argument for Cousins, Stafford, Carr, Herbert, Tannehill, Burrow, and Jones, so that's 14 at the most, but I think he's 8th right now because his ceiling is higher than any of the latter group and he's in the fight for top 5 when he's right.

Edit: My apologies, I misread your post as "top half" when you said "top tier". I still disagree with that, but at least there's a better argument there depending on how you define "top tier".
 
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I think I’d be more interested in trying to get multiple firsts from someone like maybe Denver.
the problem with trading him to a team other than the Jets or Bears is that it will probably not get you any top 10 picks which will make it much harder to replace him.
 

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The Giants might be an interesting fit. Daniel Jones, one of their two 1st round picks this year, and a 2023 first. Who says no?

Off topic, but the draft this year is shaping up to be really bizarre. Current draft order has the Jets picking 4th and 5th, the Giants picking 6th and 7th, and the Eagles picking 9, 10, and 14.
 

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Denver is a very good team if they get Wilson (assuming he can play at his normal level). I think they have draft capital to get there and it’s an out of conference trade.