T&R had this this morning and it was pretty interesting. You have $20 to spend. Who are you buying for your team?
Choose your team...
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Orr and Bourque are definitely the way to go here I think, filling in with any of the forwards after that
D- Orr (5) Niedermayer (2)
LW- Bobby Hull (4)
RW- Jagr (3)
C- Lemieux (4)
G- Hasek (2)
I think Jagr at $3 is the only real no-brainer
LW- Bobby Hull (4)
RW- Jagr (3)
C- Lemieux (4)
G- Hasek (2)
I think Jagr at $3 is the only real no-brainer
Eh, I don't know. I went with Bossy as my right wing. Bossy didn't have the longevity of Jagr, but he was freaking nasty. Bossy scored an absurd amount of goals. In only 10 seasons, Bossy scored 573 goals. That's unreal. An average of 57 goals per season.
$3 Ovechkin
$5 Gretzky
$3 Jagr
$2 Niedermayer
$5 Orr
$2 Hasek
Ovechkin's size and strength would dominate a lot of those old timers, even in their primes. Gretzky dishing to him would be insane, and Jagr is a steal for $3. I also have the most mobile defensive pairing of all-time. Ovechkin could cherry pick all day because I have two one-man break outs. And then Hasek is my pick for best goalie of all time anyway, so he's a no brainer at $2.
Edit: I would also have no qualms with choosing Hasek, Lidstrom, Orr, Ovechkin, Crosby, Bossy. Crosby would probably have 250 assists on his two 100-goal scoring wings.
$5 Gretzky
$3 Jagr
$2 Niedermayer
$5 Orr
$2 Hasek
Ovechkin's size and strength would dominate a lot of those old timers, even in their primes. Gretzky dishing to him would be insane, and Jagr is a steal for $3. I also have the most mobile defensive pairing of all-time. Ovechkin could cherry pick all day because I have two one-man break outs. And then Hasek is my pick for best goalie of all time anyway, so he's a no brainer at $2.
Edit: I would also have no qualms with choosing Hasek, Lidstrom, Orr, Ovechkin, Crosby, Bossy. Crosby would probably have 250 assists on his two 100-goal scoring wings.
Fun exercise, pretty telling that nobody's selected the #1 LW or RW
G - Hasek ($2)
LD - Orr ($5)
RD - Niedermayer ($2)
LW - Ovechkin ($3)
C - Gretzky ($5)
RW - Jagr ($3)
Total: $20
G - Hasek ($2)
LD - Orr ($5)
RD - Niedermayer ($2)
LW - Ovechkin ($3)
C - Gretzky ($5)
RW - Jagr ($3)
Total: $20
D1 Orr - $5
C Gretzky $5
LW Bobby Hull $4
RW Jagr $3
G Hashek $2
D2 Chara $1
Though I'd happily write-in Neely for $3
C Gretzky $5
LW Bobby Hull $4
RW Jagr $3
G Hashek $2
D2 Chara $1
Though I'd happily write-in Neely for $3
G - Hasek $2
D - Orr $5
D - Robinson $2
RW - Jagr $3
C - Gretzky $5
LW - Ovechkin $3
When the goalies were all at their very best, there was pretty much no separation between them. Peak-level Hasek & Belfour were just as dominant as Roy & Dryden -- they just played on less-complete teams that didn't advance in the postseason as far or as often.
Jagr & Ovechkin are both absolute bargains at $3, as is Robinson at $2. That allows for splurging on the two best hockey players who've ever existed.
I could just as easily have picked NIedermayer instead of Robinson for the same price (the former was the better athlete; the latter was the better tactician), but I didn't want FaH quoting my post and responding with an Arthur Fonzerelli emoticon.
D - Orr $5
D - Robinson $2
RW - Jagr $3
C - Gretzky $5
LW - Ovechkin $3
When the goalies were all at their very best, there was pretty much no separation between them. Peak-level Hasek & Belfour were just as dominant as Roy & Dryden -- they just played on less-complete teams that didn't advance in the postseason as far or as often.
Jagr & Ovechkin are both absolute bargains at $3, as is Robinson at $2. That allows for splurging on the two best hockey players who've ever existed.
I could just as easily have picked NIedermayer instead of Robinson for the same price (the former was the better athlete; the latter was the better tactician), but I didn't want FaH quoting my post and responding with an Arthur Fonzerelli emoticon.
A sidebar question:
Would you rather have your $20 starters with no guarantees for the second line & defense pairing? Or would you rather spread the $20 among two sets of listed players?
I'm taking the latter, and I'm kicking everyone's asses.
G - Hasek $2
D - Chara $1
D - Niedermayer $2
RW - Kurri $1
C - Messier $2
LW - Shanahan $2
G - Belfour $1
D - Chelios $1
D - Robinson $2
RW - Bossy $2
C - Toews $1
LW - Ovechkin $3
Would you rather have your $20 starters with no guarantees for the second line & defense pairing? Or would you rather spread the $20 among two sets of listed players?
I'm taking the latter, and I'm kicking everyone's asses.
G - Hasek $2
D - Chara $1
D - Niedermayer $2
RW - Kurri $1
C - Messier $2
LW - Shanahan $2
G - Belfour $1
D - Chelios $1
D - Robinson $2
RW - Bossy $2
C - Toews $1
LW - Ovechkin $3
I was just going to take six $1 players for my best line, so I can have $14 left over for beer money.mabrowndog said:
timlinin8th said:
That'll get you one (1) overly-foamy, 22-oz Bud Light draft at Madison Square. Enjoy your remaining $4.
LW: Ovie(3)
C: Gretzky(5)
RW: Jagr(3)
D: Orr(5)
D: Chara(1)
G: Brodeur(3)
Edit: From my female Penguins-fan coworker: "i'd spend $20 and get 5 copies of mario and have a party"
2nd Edit: She's been talking about her "Mario Party" for the last 5 minutes...its getting awkward.
C: Gretzky(5)
RW: Jagr(3)
D: Orr(5)
D: Chara(1)
G: Brodeur(3)
Edit: From my female Penguins-fan coworker: "i'd spend $20 and get 5 copies of mario and have a party"
2nd Edit: She's been talking about her "Mario Party" for the last 5 minutes...its getting awkward.
I'm a little surprised nobody went with the $1 option at RW (Kurri).
Dude put up back to back 130+ point seasons (the other 4 options had two 130+ point seasons combined) and received Selke nominations in 7 seasons.
He also was insanely proficient with his shot. He had a 4 year stretch where his shooting % was:
25.6%
26.8%
27.2%
28.8%
Those numbers are fucking bonkers. As a comparison, the four other players combined for 62 seasons (where shooting % was tracked). Only 1 season (Mike Bossy) had a player even topping 23%.
As the cheapest option at RW, I'm a little surprised nobody went this way.
Dude put up back to back 130+ point seasons (the other 4 options had two 130+ point seasons combined) and received Selke nominations in 7 seasons.
He also was insanely proficient with his shot. He had a 4 year stretch where his shooting % was:
25.6%
26.8%
27.2%
28.8%
Those numbers are fucking bonkers. As a comparison, the four other players combined for 62 seasons (where shooting % was tracked). Only 1 season (Mike Bossy) had a player even topping 23%.
As the cheapest option at RW, I'm a little surprised nobody went this way.
As an Isles fan, My first instinct is to go with 6 $1 options, but this is how I'd spend my $20...
RW Bossy $2
C Lemieux $4
LW Ovechkin $3
D Orr $5
D Potvin $4
G Hasek $2
RW Bossy $2
C Lemieux $4
LW Ovechkin $3
D Orr $5
D Potvin $4
G Hasek $2
Get the band back together:
Gretzky: 5
Kurri: 1
Robitaille: 5
On the back end:
Orr: 5
Chara: 1
Brodeur: 3
Gretzky: 5
Kurri: 1
Robitaille: 5
On the back end:
Orr: 5
Chara: 1
Brodeur: 3
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
In seasons where Gretzky had 135 and 163 assists (200+ points) respectively.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
The goalies he was facing were SO MUCH worse and less athletic than the ones Ovechkin scores 50+ on regularly. You have to consider the environments these guys played in as well. Kurri's highest adjusted points total according to Hockey-Reference is 108. Ovechkin's is 122, with 72 adjusted goals in one season. Kurri's actual 71 goal season adjusts to "just" 57 goals. Ovechkin's adjusted goal total of 72, by the way, is the 2nd highest single-season ever to just Brett Hull. And that's without Gretzky feeding him.
I think a lot of people think of him as a product of Gretzky because they played with each other for so many years. This is despite the fact that he put up 195 points for the Oilers in the two seasons he was there after Gretzky left. Also that fucker set up Klima.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I'm a little surprised only one person picked Howe who was widely thought to be the best forward ever pre-Gretzky, but I'm also a little amazed that he's the $5 option on RW. He was a great player at his peak and should be on there, but a lot of his legend is tied up in his insane longevity. Jagr's a steal at that position at 3 bucks - he's probably the best winger ever regardless of side.
ForceAtHome said:
It's also with him putting up 446 shots. That happens to be the third highest shot total in a single season (right behind his own 528 shots in 08-09 and slightly ahead of his 425 in 05-06).
I mean, Ovechkin put up more shots in 2008-09 (again, 528) then Kurri and Gretzky in 86-87 combined (499 shots). That's with Kurri putting up a shooting % of nearly 26%, netting 54 goals, and placing 10th in the Selke.
Gretzky or not, I don't think you can argue that Ovechkin was as efficient with the puck as Kurri was. Ovechkin is certainly a prolific offensive force, but it's due as much to his volume as anything else. The guy's played 8 full NHL seasons. 7 of them rank in the top 40 for shots in a single season.
Doesn't it take skill to get that many shots? He is well above average in SH% and it's not like the NBA where being "efficient" in your shooting is very important. Leading the league in shots is a pretty good accomplishment in and of itself.
And yeah, if you watch 1980s and earlier goalies after watching current NHLers it's just pathetic some of the shots they let in. I don't think this can be overstated.
Finally, with most of these picks you can't go too wrong, but taking Brodeur is a huge mistake. Beyond longevity he just wasn't at the same level as Hasek.
And yeah, if you watch 1980s and earlier goalies after watching current NHLers it's just pathetic some of the shots they let in. I don't think this can be overstated.
Finally, with most of these picks you can't go too wrong, but taking Brodeur is a huge mistake. Beyond longevity he just wasn't at the same level as Hasek.
Heck, even with longevity considered it's gotta be Hasek. He played in the KHL through 2011 at age 46.
Toe Nash said:
I'm sure theres a skill involved with taking that many shots, but what are we considering "well above average" in shooting %? He's a career 12.3% shooter. That would have placed him 81st amongst forwards this year. With 30 teams, that means nearly 3 players per team have a higher shooting %.
Again, I don't think it's some end-all-be-all or anything, but I think it's something to consider.
Anyway, not sure how the Kurri/Ovechkin comparison even started. They play different wings.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Shots aren't like possessions in basketball or football where they tend to be more limited and thus more possible to be "wasted." Washington had 341 more shots than the median team in 2008-09 when Ovechkin had 528 shots. He was a big reason why. In 2008-09, the Caps had 2,747 shots as Ovechkin set the current generation's high mark. Three years later, Washington had just 2,296 shots as a team (451 fewer), in large part because Ovechkin's individual shot totals declined by 225. Other players would love to have his shot percentages if it gave them anywhere close to his shot totals.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
The thing is, Ovechkin is actually a RW these days. It remains to be seen how Trotz uses him, but Ovechkin has been a RW the past two seasons.
