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It's that time of year again. When every baseball writer known to man posts about trades he or she is "hearing about' online. Gotta generate those clicks! This is the place for all of those rumors. If and when any of them actually happen please start a new thread.
 

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https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/07/boston-red-sox-trade-rumors-jd-martinez-available-in-possible-buyers-and-sellers-approach-report.html

Olney said, “What I’m hearing from other teams is they think the Red Sox will at least be partial sellers. Now, they’re kind of in a weird place. They’re among four teams vying for the last Wild Card spot. But you’ve seen in recent days, they’ve really struggled. A guy that other teams say is available is designated hitter J.D. Martinez. ... The Red Sox could flip J.D. Martinez, maybe hang onto Xander Bogaerts if they feel like they have a shot to make the playoffs and replace Martinez with another designated hitter. So the Red Sox, as we get to the deadline, could be both buyers and sellers.”
 

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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the intern who saw Chaim Bloom circle a picture of Juan Soto in a newspaper!
 

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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the intern who saw Chaim Bloom circle a picture of Juan Soto in a newspaper!
Is your best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend generally considered fairly reliable when it comes to these matters? I'm asking because I have it on good authority from several sources here that Bloom's spending habits make it highly suspect that he would fork over a couple of bucks for a newspaper.
 

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Rosenthal and Murray have both said today that the Astros are heavily after Josh Bell and it sounds like Bell may be one of the first trades to happen this week.


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Murray joins the chorus connecting JDM to the Mets. Says they have been interested in him for months. He says the Red Sox have not made a sell decision yet, but the Astros and Cardinals could be after Eovaldi and he would be the most coveted guy (bogey aside).
 

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My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the intern who saw Chaim Bloom circle a picture of Juan Soto in a newspaper!
If it wasn't in 31 Flavors, I don't give it much grist.

The JD trade idea somewhat irks me. Had he opted out, Kyle Schwarber would still be in Sox uniform.
 

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If it wasn't in 31 Flavors, I don't give it much grist.

The JD trade idea somewhat irks me. Had he opted out, Kyle Schwarber would still be in Sox uniform.
I liked the idea floated here of signing Schwarber even after JD’s opt-in and then trading him.
 

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Or, you know they could have kept both, played Schwarber in LF and skipped the Jackie Bradley Jr experience. Or, continued to play him at 1b.
 

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Or, you know they could have kept both, played Schwarber in LF and skipped the Jackie Bradley Jr experience. Or, continued to play him at 1b.
Hell…. Or kept him as what he was likely intended to be- late inning defensive replacement.

I really think the Plan was Suzuki. They whiffed and Plan B was already gone
 

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Hell…. Or kept him as what he was likely intended to be- late inning defensive replacement.

I really think the Plan was Suzuki. They whiffed and Plan B was already gone
Passing on Suzuki in the 5/85 range is looking like a good move. He had a white-hot first 10 games, but has a .672 OPS since April 18.
 

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Schwarber is on pace or a 1.5-2.5 war season, paying $20m for that production out of a DH in year 1 of a 4 year deal would be pretty bad. They'd also be in essentially the same spot in the standings for 2022.
 

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Only SoSH could screw-up a thread intended to compile clickbait trade rumors.
 

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Tangents are a way of life...Back on track, gut feeling is a JDM trade happens, I'm curious about returns does Bloom aim for more lottery tickets (which would be somewhat disappointing to me) or does he aim for guys who could help sooner rather than later.
 

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Tangents are a way of life...Back on track, gut feeling is a JDM trade happens, I'm curious about returns does Bloom aim for more lottery tickets (which would be somewhat disappointing to me) or does he aim for guys who could help sooner rather than later.
I think JDM is gone by the weekend and he’ll go for lottery tickets.
 

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I get the strong feeling that JD is not going to bring back anything close to what we think.

He is a free agent, DH only.

Is Schwarber at last years deadline a fair comp and that only seemed to bring back a C+ prospect from the Sox.

If the Sox want a better prospect they are going to have to pay down part of JD’s bill.

However they also need to get rid of enough money to get under the tax.
 

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I get the strong feeling that JD is not going to bring back anything close to what we think.

He is a free agent, DH only.

Is Schwarber at last years deadline a fair comp and that only seemed to bring back a C+ prospect from the Sox.

If the Sox want a better prospect they are going to have to pay down part of JD’s bill.

However they also need to get rid of enough money to get under the tax.
The Sox can and should take on JDs money but other than that, Schwarber is a decent comp, maybe a bit short of JDM.
 

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Schwarber is a decent enough comp for JD, but do the Sox really need another A ball pitching prospect? If they are on the fringes of the race, and that’s the return, I wonder if it’s even worth it- since the in-house replacements for potentially traded players are so bad.
 

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Schwarber is a decent enough comp for JD, but do the Sox really need another A ball pitching prospect? If they are on the fringes of the race, and that’s the return, I wonder if it’s even worth it- since the in-house replacements for potentially traded players are so bad.
Sox will have to add something to JD to get anything more than a C prospect. I’d have to be someone further down with high upside since Sox are likely looking at soon-to-be-ready returns. Would adding a Blaze Jordan type make sense?
 

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That's like a team for an IBB.
Would we hit Soto 7th or something?

Lineup construction would be interesting to think about but this doesn't seem like a problem. Soto was intentionally walked three times on the last good team he was on in 2019. He's been IBB'd four times this year. Devers has been six times.
 

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I get the strong feeling that JD is not going to bring back anything close to what we think.

He is a free agent, DH only.

Is Schwarber at last years deadline a fair comp and that only seemed to bring back a C+ prospect from the Sox.

If the Sox want a better prospect they are going to have to pay down part of JD’s bill.

However they also need to get rid of enough money to get under the tax.
Maybe that would have made more sense before the universal DH, but as the rumors of the Mets interest in JD show there are a whole lot more buyers. As you said he is an upcoming FA so whether that outweighs getting twice the potential trade partners as far as return IDK...
 

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Heyman filed this for the New York Post, in which he ranks nine teams in order of likeliness to get Soto. (Save you a click, it’s SD, STL, LAD, TEX, SEA, NYY, SF, TBR, NYM).

https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/four-teams-ahead-in-juan-soto-trade-sweepstakes-before-deadline/

The Post and Heyman aside, I think it’s weird that the Sox are almost totally absent from these. The most notable was a speculative piece in the Athletic where they asked the founder of Baseball Trade Values to use the trade sim to make theoretical deals with 10 teams. The Sox — who theoretically do have the prospects and capacity to absorb Corbin — weren’t on the list.

The simplest explanation is that we’re truly not in at any level, and maybe so. But as one of the wealthiest franchises in MLB who actually do have the prospects, I don’t get that.
 
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Heyman filed this for the New York Post, in which he ranks nine teams in order of likeliness to get Soto. (Save you a click, it’s SD, STL, LAD, TEX, SEA, NYY, SF, TBR, NYM).

https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/four-teams-ahead-in-juan-soto-trade-sweepstakes-before-deadline/

The Post and Heyman aside, I think it’s weird that the Sox are almost totally absent from these. The most notable was a speculative piece in the Athletic where they asked the founder of Baseball Trade Values to use the trade sim to make theoretical deals with 10 teams. The Sox — who theoretically do have the prospects and capacity to absorb Corbin — weren’t on the list.

The simplest explanation is that we’re truly not in at any level, and maybe so. But as one of the wealthiest franchises in MLB who actually do have the prospects, I don’t get that.
Also, the Sox have a GAPING hole in the OF that Soto would fill basically perfectly. So there’s a need there too.
 

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If I remember correctly, we used to be #2. Now we are #6, spending 80% of what the #2 team spends, and seemingly heading lower. This is despite the highest ticket prices in baseball, and a large, wealthy catchment area full of devoted fans, supplemented by tourists who want to visit Fenway. And a successful regional sports network plus ever growing national TV deals. And now $17 million a year for a patch.

Yeah, we're always going to have a higher payroll than the Royals or Pirates, but that doesn't mean we are spending like we used to.
 

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If I remember correctly, we used to be #2. Now we are #6, spending 80% of what the #2 team spends, and seemingly heading lower. This is despite the highest ticket prices in baseball, and a large, wealthy catchment area full of devoted fans, supplemented by tourists who want to visit Fenway. And a successful regional sports network plus ever growing national TV deals. And now $17 million a year for a patch.

Yeah, we're always going to have a higher payroll than the Royals or Pirates, but that doesn't mean we are spending like we used to.
Having an obscenely high payroll does not guarantee you anything. Just ask NY
 

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If I remember correctly, we used to be #2. Now we are #6, spending 80% of what the #2 team spends, and seemingly heading lower. This is despite the highest ticket prices in baseball, and a large, wealthy catchment area full of devoted fans, supplemented by tourists who want to visit Fenway. And a successful regional sports network plus ever growing national TV deals. And now $17 million a year for a patch.

Yeah, we're always going to have a higher payroll than the Royals or Pirates, but that doesn't mean we are spending like we used to.
Where do you feel they need to be in that ranking?
 

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If I remember correctly, we used to be #2. Now we are #6, spending 80% of what the #2 team spends, and seemingly heading lower. This is despite the highest ticket prices in baseball, and a large, wealthy catchment area full of devoted fans, supplemented by tourists who want to visit Fenway. And a successful regional sports network plus ever growing national TV deals. And now $17 million a year for a patch.

Yeah, we're always going to have a higher payroll than the Royals or Pirates, but that doesn't mean we are spending like we used to.
They are spending like they used to be, outside of a 2 year window where they went over the top in a push to go from a very good team to a champion. We knew that wasn't sustainable, nor should it be with lux tax rules.

Payroll has been going up over the last few years, there isn't any logical reason to think it won't stay high as long as they have a decent team.
 

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Also, the Sox have a GAPING hole in the OF that Soto would fill basically perfectly. So there’s a need there too.
I think the baseball world sees the Sox as team who has been unwilling to commit to the type of deal it would take to sign a Juan Soto. They traded away a top 3 player in the league for prospects and didn't give him a deal/extension. The Betts situation says a lot. The Bogaerts and Devers situations say a lot too. Their prospects are also very top heavy and can't really compete with the quantity and depth of the rest of the top teams involved. I said it a few posts back but top 100 lists are really meaningless for assessing trade strength.
 

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Heyman filed this for the New York Post, in which he ranks nine teams in order of likeliness to get Soto. (Save you a click, it’s SD, STL, LAD, TEX, SEA, NYY, SF, TBR, NYM).

https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/four-teams-ahead-in-juan-soto-trade-sweepstakes-before-deadline/

The Post and Heyman aside, I think it’s weird that the Sox are almost totally absent from these. The most notable was a speculative piece in the Athletic where they asked the founder of Baseball Trade Values to use the trade sim to make theoretical deals with 10 teams. The Sox — who theoretically do have the prospects and capacity to absorb Corbin — weren’t on the list.

The simplest explanation is that we’re truly not in at any level, and maybe so. But as one of the wealthiest franchises in MLB who actually do have the prospects, I don’t get that.
Heyman really seems like he has been phoniing it in almost completely since getting to the Post recently, but I think basically everyone agrees that no one can compete with the packages those first three teams (SD, STL, LAD) can offer. So I think if he goes this week, it will be one of those three (I will guess STL), but also i would guess it is maybe 50/50 they hold him until the winter when maybe more teams can better plan around giving up 5-6 top guys.