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DJnVa

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Be prepared to wince at the half court offense if they get forced into playing it. Their game, at least at VCU, was predicated on making the other team move fast. If you don't panic and break that press and make them defend, well, one of the knocks on Smart was that he wasn't a big X and O guy.
 
There should definitely be initial success though. The "Madman" forces an inbounds towards the corner, and there's a quick trap, and it all flows from there.
 
Here's a primer on the press:
 
http://www.coachpintar.com/vcu-havoc-defense/
 

ethangl

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DrewDawg said:
Be prepared to wince at the half court offense if they get forced into playing it.
Yeah, we'll cope... I mean, we've been watching Rick Barnes' half court "offense" for 17 years.
 

DukeSox

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I mean...Barnes had access to Dallas and Houston too.  Why do we think all of a sudden a new coach will change things?  
 
Texas will always be a football school.  Other schools will always tell Texas bball recruits that.  Want to be a relative nobody on campus? Go to UT.
 

canderson

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DukeSox said:
I mean...Barnes had access to Dallas and Houston too.  Why do we think all of a sudden a new coach will change things?  
 
Texas will always be a football school.  Other schools will always tell Texas bball recruits that.  Want to be a relative nobody on campus? Go to UT.
Barnes had a boatload of talent every year. He is unfortunately a shitty coach.

What needs to change is getting performance out of the talent. Judging by VCU's success Smart can do that. Barnes failed miserably.
 

DukeSox

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That's correct. The hundred posts above yours talked about Shaka recruiting. That part of the equation won't change.

Holy shit 17 years.
 

DJnVa

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DukeSox said:
I mean...Barnes had access to Dallas and Houston too.  Why do we think all of a sudden a new coach will change things?  
 
You can't think of a reason that this guy:
 

 
might relate to and recruit certain areas of Dallas and Houston better than this guy:
 
 

jsinger121

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Smart had to get assurances that he would get a shitload of money pumped into the program. He is a major upgrade from Barnes.
 

DukeSox

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Eh. $100 to whatever that UT doesn't make final four the next 5 years.
 

LeftyTG

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Smart had to get assurances that he would get a shitload of money pumped into the program. He is a major upgrade from Barnes.
What makes you think Texas hasn't funded the basketball program?  
 

Greg29fan

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Shaka didn't win the A10 title one time and while you can't take the Final Four run off the board and it was excellent, he has all of two NCAA tourney wins since, so I might tap the brakes on him being a "great" coach.
 
And VCU isn't some nothing program either, that wasn't Northwestern he was taking to the Final Four.  Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant (ask Duke fans) both had a lot of success there as well.
 

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The only job possibly better than Texas is UCLA but you are in a huge market and living under the shadow of John Wooden. He took the right job. They will pay him extremely well and he wiLl build Texas to greater heights than Rick Barnes ever took them.
Are you talking about the program that has made one Final Four appearance in the past 65 years, or some other Texas??

Maybe UT is a good situation for Smart and his family, but he's not stepping into a program like Kansas, Kentucky, or North Carolina where the brand is going to do a large share of his recruiting for him.
 

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maufman said:
Are you talking about the program that has made one Final Four appearance in the past 65 years, or some other Texas??

Maybe UT is a good situation for Smart and his family, but he's not stepping into a program like Kansas, Kentucky, or North Carolina where the brand is going to do a large share of his recruiting for him.
Exactly! For all the crap Longhorn fans have given Barnes for not winning with talent they must have forgotten that prior to him talent rarely attended The University of Texas at Austin. Where is the basketball legacy pre-Barnes? Lance Blanks? Dexter Cambridge? Lasalle Thompson? Terrence Rencher?

One can make a case that Chris Mihm is a first team All Pre-Barnes member. Rick Barnes put Texas on the basketball map with the talent he brought to Austin.
 

ethangl

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HomeRunBaker said:
Exactly! For all the crap Longhorn fans have given Barnes for not winning with talent they must have forgotten that prior to him talent rarely attended The University of Texas at Austin. Where is the basketball legacy pre-Barnes? Lance Blanks? Dexter Cambridge? Lasalle Thompson? Terrence Rencher?

One can make a case that Chris Mihm is a first team All Pre-Barnes member. Rick Barnes put Texas on the basketball map with the talent he brought to Austin.
You forgot Kris Clack.
 
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Exactly! For all the crap Longhorn fans have given Barnes for not winning with talent they must have forgotten that prior to him talent rarely attended The University of Texas at Austin. Where is the basketball legacy pre-Barnes? Lance Blanks? Dexter Cambridge? Lasalle Thompson? Terrence Rencher?

One can make a case that Chris Mihm is a first team All Pre-Barnes member. Rick Barnes put Texas on the basketball map with the talent he brought to Austin.
BJ Tyler. Program wasn't ice cold anymore after Barnes arrived
 

canderson

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The problem Texas fans have with Barnes is he recruited top 10 classes year in and year out and hadn't advanced past the first round in, what, 7 years? He hasn't advanced the program and it's grown stagnant.
 
He quit trying to appeal to the fans, he had given up on recruiting big Texas stars. The program needed a major boost of life - it's a top 20 all time basketball program in wins. It's not like it's A&M, Penn State or Nebraska here.
 
Unknown to most, and this is very important, is Texas is about to launch a massive campaign for a new arena and entire basketball facility, Barnes isn't the fundraiser that Smart has proven to be. They will need the new arena built iirc by 2018.
 

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canderson said:
The problem Texas fans have with Barnes is he recruited top 10 classes year in and year out and hadn't advanced past the first round in, what, 7 years? He hasn't advanced the program and it's grown stagnant.
 
He quit trying to appeal to the fans, he had given up on recruiting big Texas stars. The program needed a major boost of life - it's a top 20 all time basketball program in wins. It's not like it's A&M, Penn State or Nebraska here.
 
Unknown to most, and this is very important, is Texas is about to launch a massive campaign for a new arena and entire basketball facility, Barnes isn't the fundraiser that Smart has proven to be. They will need the new arena built iirc by 2018.
 
Am I wrong on this or didn't Barnes one time admit that he viewed his job as a college basketball coach to be more about developing professional players than winning games? I feel like I recall that, but may be off on that. 
 

yeahlunchbox

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I think Barnes gets too much credit for turning the program around, when it seems like it was Penders did most of the work on turning it around.
 

riboflav

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Grin&MartyBarret said:
 
Am I wrong on this or didn't Barnes one time admit that he viewed his job as a college basketball coach to be more about developing professional players than winning games? I feel like I recall that, but may be off on that. 
 
I don't know if he said that, but it certainly doesn't hurt recruiting to deliver that message.
 

DJnVa

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VCU hired Will Wade from UT-Chattanooga. He's a former Shaka Smart assistant and has coached at UTC for 2 seasons.
 
He doesn't use HAVOC, he uses CHAOS.

 
CHAOS: Offensive Goals
1) Lead the Southern Conference in Scoring

2) Top 20 Nationally in TO Margin
3) Top 40 Nationally in Offensive Rebound Pct.
4) Shoot 35% or better from 3pt Range
5) Average 67+ Possessions per Game
 
CHAOS: Defensive Goals
1) Top 3 in the Southern Conference in Scoring Defense

2) Top 20 Nationally in Steals
3) Top 20 Nationally in Turnovers Forced
4) 35 or more Deflections per Game
5) 8 or more Student-Athletes with Positive Scores on the Effort Chart Each Game
 
 

DukeSox

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Ugh, he could have done better than that.
 

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Probably as the program is a joke. Jerry Colangelo was close to the hiring process and first choice was Capel, but he declined a visit to Tempe on Tuesday. Colangelo being involved in the process is interesting, because of his involvement in USA basketball, which was close to building their complex in the Phoenix area. Rumors are swirling that Colangelo's involvement means there is less of a disconnect between ASU and USA basketball and multimillion dollar practice facility in a hardly used parking lot next to the campus (Mill and University for those keeping track) could become a reality.
 
If that's the case they probably spun it to show how much talent would be in the area to help with recruiting.
 
Edit - damnit wrong duke guard
 

mauf

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canderson said:
The problem Texas fans have with Barnes is he recruited top 10 classes year in and year out and hadn't advanced past the first round in, what, 7 years? He hasn't advanced the program and it's grown stagnant.
 
He quit trying to appeal to the fans, he had given up on recruiting big Texas stars. The program needed a major boost of life - it's a top 20 all time basketball program in wins. It's not like it's A&M, Penn State or Nebraska here.
 
Unknown to most, and this is very important, is Texas is about to launch a massive campaign for a new arena and entire basketball facility, Barnes isn't the fundraiser that Smart has proven to be. They will need the new arena built iirc by 2018.
What does "appeal to the fans" mean? Either Barnes was putting good teams on the floor and graduating players who don't cause trouble in the community, or he was not doing those things.

College sports is big business, especially at Texas. Barnes was a good coach, but Shaka Smart is probably better. Everything else is bullshit.
 

DJnVa

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You can have joint legal custody of a child even if you don't live in the same state. It's a legal phrase and doesn't necessarily mean that they kids go back and forth every weekend.
 

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DrewDawg said:
You can have joint legal custody of a child even if you don't live in the same state. It's a legal phrase and doesn't necessarily mean that they kids go back and forth every weekend.
I've been involved in a situation where a parent was unable to leave state with their children. Ollie could leave.....and leave his kids in CT is what I was getting at.
 

yeahlunchbox

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Yesterday Al Skinner was named head coach at Kennesaw State. The fact that he had to wait this long to find a new position, that he's fallen to a program this low and the Steve Donahue era all stem from the absolutely shameful Bob Ryan hatchet job of Al when Bob was carrying water for Gene Defilippo.
 

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yeahlunchbox said:
Yesterday Al Skinner was named head coach at Kennesaw State. The fact that he had to wait this long to find a new position, that he's fallen to a program this low and the Steve Donahue era all stem from the absolutely shameful Bob Ryan hatchet job of Al when Bob was carrying water for Gene Defilippo.
 
C'mon.  You give way too much credit to a media guy's influence. 
 

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gryoung said:
 
C'mon.  You give way too much credit to a media guy's influence. 
 
Perhaps, but Bob Ryan is highly respected nationally in large part due to his basketball knowledge, so I think his opinion about a basketball matter would carry far more weight than the average media member's about a subject. And I really struggle to figure out how else a coach that was 57 years old at the end of his last job went five whole seasons without a head coaching position. Especially when Skinner spent his whole time in the Atlantic 10, Big East and ACC and now he's relegated to the Atlantic Sun conference. And Skinner went 385-291 in his career with 9 trips to the NCAA, two Big East regular season championships, one Big East tournament championship, a national coach of the year award, two Big East coach of the year awards, and one Atlantic 10 coach of the year award.
 

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Well, didn't he have a reputation for being lazy - that he didn't put in a ton of hours? I don't think that came from Bob Ryan.
 

dirtynine

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Late to this thread, but you guys saw Dave Paulsen from Bucknell took the GMU job, right?  Very surprising from a Bucknell standpoint.  The Bison quickly hired former assistant Nathan Davis out of DIII Randolph Macon. 
 

minischwab

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So, who replaces Donovan at Florida?  Looks like Archie Miller is the top choice and maybe Chris Mack.  Sounds like Anthony Grant and/or John Pelphrey could join Donovan with the Thunder, not sure that's a smart decision but neither should be Florida's top choice anyway.  
 
EDIT: Correct, John Pelphrey, who is Mark???
 

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minischwab said:
So, who replaces Donovan at Florida?  Looks like Archie Miller is the top choice and maybe Chris Mack.  Sounds like Anthony Grant and/or Mark Pelphrey could join Donovan with the Thunder, not sure that's a smart decision but neither should be Florida's top choice anyway.  
John Pelphery is thought to be a candidate to replace Donovan.
 

canderson

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Thank god, they had Brad Underwood as one of three finalist. He has a tremendous recruiting class coming in, would have been devastating if he left right now (but I fully expected it). Maybe they can sneak a third year before he gets a big job upgrade.