Colts Next Banner: We Almost Had McDaniels
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A swipe at the Colts moving from Baltimore to Indy, presumably, which was precipitated by Irsay's father after he announced he 'had no intentions of moving the goddamn team'
I assume Kraft finally broke down and sweetened the deal this afternoon because he really wanted the Butler thread to get less traction. This seems to be covering the ground.
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“If anyone knows any reason why these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace…”
And the Patriots spoke.
Fifteen hours of meetings between Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft over the past two days have inspired McDaniels to leave the Indianapolis Colts at the altar.
McDaniels will remain Patriots offensive coordinator; Belichick will return as head coach in 2018.
The Colts, who entered into a verbal agreement with McDaniels and had begun hiring staff to surround him, are stunned and enraged.
But since the Patriots loss to Philadelphia in Super Bowl 52 on Sunday, McDaniels got greater clarity on the future plans of both Belichick and the Patriots organization.
It can now be presumed McDaniels will be given primary consideration as Belichick’s successor. That wasn’t the case previously.
The uncertainty in Indy regarding Andrew Luck’s future is a concern, but this was a decision that had more to do with the Patriots than it did the Colts.
Stability in New England (this season and the past 48 hours notwithstanding), the program in place with personnel czar and longtime friend Nick Caserio and the chance to keep his family rooted in New England were all convincers.
Prior to the end of the regular season, McDaniels tried to pinpoint the future plans of the team and Belichick but he didn’t get the level of clarity he hoped for. Now that he has that clarity, he’s decided to stay even if he gets demolished in the media for the decision.
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/hail-mary-convinces-josh-mcdaniels-stand-indy-stay-new-england
“If anyone knows any reason why these two should not be wed, speak now or forever hold your peace…”
And the Patriots spoke.
Fifteen hours of meetings between Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft and Jonathan Kraft over the past two days have inspired McDaniels to leave the Indianapolis Colts at the altar.
McDaniels will remain Patriots offensive coordinator; Belichick will return as head coach in 2018.
The Colts, who entered into a verbal agreement with McDaniels and had begun hiring staff to surround him, are stunned and enraged.
But since the Patriots loss to Philadelphia in Super Bowl 52 on Sunday, McDaniels got greater clarity on the future plans of both Belichick and the Patriots organization.
It can now be presumed McDaniels will be given primary consideration as Belichick’s successor. That wasn’t the case previously.
The uncertainty in Indy regarding Andrew Luck’s future is a concern, but this was a decision that had more to do with the Patriots than it did the Colts.
Stability in New England (this season and the past 48 hours notwithstanding), the program in place with personnel czar and longtime friend Nick Caserio and the chance to keep his family rooted in New England were all convincers.
Prior to the end of the regular season, McDaniels tried to pinpoint the future plans of the team and Belichick but he didn’t get the level of clarity he hoped for. Now that he has that clarity, he’s decided to stay even if he gets demolished in the media for the decision.
http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/hail-mary-convinces-josh-mcdaniels-stand-indy-stay-new-england
I'm not sure.
At this point, there aren't many jobs open anyway. If McDaniels recruits them and they want them to get started on next season, I could see it.
There might also be out clauses as well.
Wonder if that means Caserio is being locked up long term as well. His name has been floated for GM positions with other franchises. Last off-season there was talk of both of them leaving to go to San Francisco.
I could get down with a McDaniels/Caserio pairing to inherit the reigns from Belichick.
I could get down with a McDaniels/Caserio pairing to inherit the reigns from Belichick.
I thought it was a reference tin Iraay's taking in a girlfriend during his marriage, but this makes more sense.
I was wondering if B.B. was looking at Coughlin’s success in Jacksonville in a less day to day hands on role made him consider that. I mean, not to discount his Marv Levy sentiments, I just think he can’t imagine a life without football. So seeing Tom Coughlin able to still get things done in a job that’s not so stressful and draining and “no days off” must give him something to think about, and seeing Josh about to walk out the door spurred him to action. I think he’s loathe to leave without putting the house in order, and having to find a new successor was probably longer than he wants to stay on full time.
The two times Brady has been unable to play, the Pats went 11-5 with Matt Cassel and 3-1 with Garoppolo/Brissett.
We've lost playoff games to Joe Flacco (twice), Eli Manning (twice), Mark Sanchez, Jake Plummer, "Weekend at Bernie's" version of Peyton Manning, and Nick Foles.
Just this season, Nick Foles was Super Bowl MVP and Case Keenum and Blake Bortles were one win away from playing in the Super Bowl.
I don't want anyone mistakenly taking this as a dig at Brady, who is possibly the greatest NFL player of all time. But I think we may have swayed a little too far into "it's all about the QB" territory. You find the right fit for your system, you surround him with enough talent, and you can scheme your way to success. I absolutely believe this.
So now that we got Tattaglia, how do we whack Barzini in Baltimore?
Seriously, I understand Indy's outrage, but this is how things happen in life. On the road to a Super Bowl, BB certainly wasn't going to invest 15 hours in meetings over Josh's future. Things happen -- both coordinators get offers, one of them clearly is leaving -- and thoughts crystalize.
I hope it works out for Josh, who I'm thrilled to have, because the reality is that Josh is radioactive in 31 other cities for at least the next few years.
The five weeks of playoffs and teams wanting to move on coaches and assistants is a pretty tough problem with no good answers. I guess very few coaches ever say no to head coaching chances. This was a unique case.
It’s amazing how this team is, despite its best efforts, a magnet for drama. Obviously, some of the drama is because it’s the Patriots. And some of it is invented. But between Brady’s hand, Butler’s benching, and McDaniel’s withdrawal, there is just a lot happening in Foxboro, not to mention their seeming propensity to play high drama games year after year.
Anyway, the most interesting part of this is what it might (emphasis on might) mean about Belichick’s future. Obviously we’re in the home stretch. We knew that already. But whether that meant a year or seven has been up in the air. I was hoping the latter, even if that was a pipe dream.
It’s amazing how this team is, despite its best efforts, a magnet for drama. Obviously, some of the drama is because it’s the Patriots. And some of it is invented. But between Brady’s hand, Butler’s benching, and McDaniel’s withdrawal, there is just a lot happening in Foxboro, not to mention their seeming propensity to play high drama games year after year.
Anyway, the most interesting part of this is what it might (emphasis on might) mean about Belichick’s future. Obviously we’re in the home stretch. We knew that already. But whether that meant a year or seven has been up in the air. I was hoping the latter, even if that was a pipe dream.
I can't stop laughing. If it was any other franchise I wouldn't be laughing like this.
Well, except for the NYJ.
Well, except for the NYJ.
It's actually neither. I think it's likely a dig at the fact that when Irsay when penning his thesis, his initial contention was that Al-Farahidi (the 8th century Arab philogolist) and the work he did on Arabic prosody ultimately, through oral tradition and moving along trade routes manifested itself in the pre-Renaissance work of Ibn Sahl of Seville and therefore played a large role in how we view meter today. But ultimately what he submitted to be published cited chanson de geste- which bore no connection to the aforementioned- as a more obvious source of what ultimately underpinned Renaissance-era works.
It was definitely a bait and switch, and now Irsay finds himself on the other end of the same.
I have to think that this is also why the asst coaches may have signed before McDaniels did. By having the assistants sign early, they can start work while McD is in the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, that leaves them in a bad spot if he abandons ship.
I hope the stuff about him not calling the assistants isn't true, because that would be pretty poor on his part.
SHOT - JOSH
He turns back toward Jim Irsay and Chris Ballard as they come toward him
CLOSEUP - JOSH looking at them.
ALL SOUND STOPS, except for Robert Kraft's voice in the distance shouting "JOSH JOSH JOSH."
JOSH'S POV - CHRIS BALLARD
Frozen frame
JOSH'S POV - PATRICK ROBINSON
Frozen frame, Eagles defender freezing up in the face of the New England offense
JOSH'S POV - RASHARD ROBINSON
Frozen frame, the drug-laced candy got to him
SHOT - JOSH
His face turning quickly to look up at Kraft.
JOSH'S POV - KRAFT
Frozen frame. His face twisted with passion, his body spread-eagled against the glass.
CLOSEUP - JOSH looking up at Kraft.
JOSH (screaming) Bob!
I love Mike Florio; PFT.com really adds value on the legal side because of him. This is elegant:
"Put simply, McDaniels has no responsibility to the Colts because he never signed a contract. From the NFL’s perspective, no deal is done until it’s actually done. Although the Colts contend in their statement announcing the resumption of their coaching search that McDaniels “agreed to terms,” he didn’t officially agree via the execution of a binding document.
If he had signed the contract, the Colts ultimately couldn’t have forced McDaniels to work for them. But they could have prevented him from working for the Patriots or anyone else.
Based upon promises possibly made by McDaniels during the recruitment and negotiation, the Colts could be able to craft legal arguments that don’t depend on a signed, written contract. But the Colts would be foolish to raise them, since doing so would make it clear that the Colts violated league rules preventing them from hiring McDaniels while he was still finishing up his season with the Patriots.
So there’s nothing the Colts can do about this, other than to realize that they never should have announced the hiring until they had McDaniels signed, sealed, and delivered to Indianapolis."
(emphasis added).
"Put simply, McDaniels has no responsibility to the Colts because he never signed a contract. From the NFL’s perspective, no deal is done until it’s actually done. Although the Colts contend in their statement announcing the resumption of their coaching search that McDaniels “agreed to terms,” he didn’t officially agree via the execution of a binding document.
If he had signed the contract, the Colts ultimately couldn’t have forced McDaniels to work for them. But they could have prevented him from working for the Patriots or anyone else.
Based upon promises possibly made by McDaniels during the recruitment and negotiation, the Colts could be able to craft legal arguments that don’t depend on a signed, written contract. But the Colts would be foolish to raise them, since doing so would make it clear that the Colts violated league rules preventing them from hiring McDaniels while he was still finishing up his season with the Patriots.
So there’s nothing the Colts can do about this, other than to realize that they never should have announced the hiring until they had McDaniels signed, sealed, and delivered to Indianapolis."
(emphasis added).
Eagles defense gave up 600+ yards on Sunday, didn't force a single punt, and still won. Their defense may have played well during the regular season but they ultimately didn't win with defense. They won because their offense scored 31 points in the NFC Championship and 41 points in the Super Bowl. With Nick Foles. Know why their offense was successful? Like the Pats, they don't have 1-2 players you can scheme against. Good receivers, multiple RBs, a very good pass catching TE. You can't stop them all. They found the match-ups they liked on each play and attacked.
That aside, let's start by not having one of the worst defenses in the league. Baby steps.
Nothing like a good old fashioned trolling of Idiotapolis to soothe a Super Bowl hangover.
And let’s call a spade a spade, this was a ruse from the beginning. <slowgolfclap>
Fuck the Colts
And let’s call a spade a spade, this was a ruse from the beginning. <slowgolfclap>
Fuck the Colts
Yeah, this is the whole reason we have contracts, right? We have them exactly because until you have one you don’t have one.
Still, they need to figure out a way to deal with coach mobility during the playoffs. Maybe there’s no good answer. Or maybe nobody ever cared because what assistant doesn’t want the top gig? Well, one I guess.
The “Can the Colts get draft picks?” thread is pure magic.
My favorite was “they should sue McDaniels and bankrupt him, and then go after Kraft and the Patriots for conspiracy to commit fraud!!”
We are so in their heads.
Well lookee there. 24 fucktillion posts about belichick kidnapping the Lindbergh baby, and here's one giving the Eagles some credit.
Yes, they do.
There is one part of this mind boggling to me. Between the Colts -- and Josh -- they really needed to prevent that press release from going out. It's ultimately the Colts primary responsibility. But if I'm Josh and thought there was any chance, I'd say, you really can't put that out there today; more to follow.
That dude legitimately thinks McDaniels committed fraud. That's... that's... unreal.
