P'tucket said:
That still sounds like an off-hand remark to me, not an endorsement. Not really smart as the last part is conveniently left out by most of the media, but still mostly harmless.
Concussion Water - Tom Brady approved snake oil
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That still sounds like an off-hand remark to me, not an endorsement. Not really smart as the last part is conveniently left out by most of the media, but still mostly harmless.
There may or may not be quackery involved here, but I think a lot of what Brady says rings true. Consider:
"That's kind of our approach to medicine -- let's wait until you get sick, let's wait until you get hurt, oh, and then we'll treat you. Well, how about finding ways to try to prevent yourself from that even happening? I think that's a much better approach to medicine"
"I think I've really stepped outside the box in the way I try to train, eat, hydrate, the cognitive brain games I play on a daily or weekly basis to try to build up some durability within my body, within my brain, to be able to go out there and play at a high level at age 38. Now, you guys may think that I'm full of crap, but the proof is what you see on the field."
"I would love to encourage all my teammates to eat the best way they possibly can; high school athletes. Now, that's not the way our food system in America is set up. It's very different. They have a food pyramid and I disagree with that. I disagree with a lot of things that people tell you to do. You probably go out and drink Coca-Cola and think 'Oh yeah, that's no problem.' Why? Because they pay lots of money for advertisements"
"The fact they can sell that to kids, that's poison for kids" (Coke)
"So much of it is being proactive. It's not waiting to get sick. It's not waiting to get injured. Lifestyle choices are very important to your health and wellness. We haven't been educated like that. I think we feel like we can just do whatever we want -- we can live, we can eat however we want, drink however we want, do all these different exercises as the way to a healthy lifestyle. I think a lot of those things have been very wrong. I think we've been lied to by a lot of food companies over the years, a lot of beverage companies over the years. But we still do it. That's just America and that's what we've been conditioned to; we believe that Frosted Flakes is actually a food. You just keep eating those things and you wonder why we have incredible rates of disease in our country."
"Of course they taste good and all those companies make lots of money selling those things; they have lots of money to advertise. When you go to the Super Bowl, who are the sponsors? So like I said, that's the education we get; that's what we get brainwashed to believe, that all these things are just normal food groups and this is what you should eat."
"That's kind of our approach to medicine -- let's wait until you get sick, let's wait until you get hurt, oh, and then we'll treat you. Well, how about finding ways to try to prevent yourself from that even happening? I think that's a much better approach to medicine"
"I think I've really stepped outside the box in the way I try to train, eat, hydrate, the cognitive brain games I play on a daily or weekly basis to try to build up some durability within my body, within my brain, to be able to go out there and play at a high level at age 38. Now, you guys may think that I'm full of crap, but the proof is what you see on the field."
"I would love to encourage all my teammates to eat the best way they possibly can; high school athletes. Now, that's not the way our food system in America is set up. It's very different. They have a food pyramid and I disagree with that. I disagree with a lot of things that people tell you to do. You probably go out and drink Coca-Cola and think 'Oh yeah, that's no problem.' Why? Because they pay lots of money for advertisements"
"The fact they can sell that to kids, that's poison for kids" (Coke)
"So much of it is being proactive. It's not waiting to get sick. It's not waiting to get injured. Lifestyle choices are very important to your health and wellness. We haven't been educated like that. I think we feel like we can just do whatever we want -- we can live, we can eat however we want, drink however we want, do all these different exercises as the way to a healthy lifestyle. I think a lot of those things have been very wrong. I think we've been lied to by a lot of food companies over the years, a lot of beverage companies over the years. But we still do it. That's just America and that's what we've been conditioned to; we believe that Frosted Flakes is actually a food. You just keep eating those things and you wonder why we have incredible rates of disease in our country."
"Of course they taste good and all those companies make lots of money selling those things; they have lots of money to advertise. When you go to the Super Bowl, who are the sponsors? So like I said, that's the education we get; that's what we get brainwashed to believe, that all these things are just normal food groups and this is what you should eat."
If Bernie Sanders has said that, it would be on 8 thousand different Internet memes, and the likes of John Stewert and Stephen Colbert would be showing it to the masses.
Yes. A lot of what Brady says is true or has some truth to it.
There are plenty of people, and companies run by people, espousing those ideas.
Brady decided to partner with one who has scammed cancer patients. Blatantly lied to them to capitalize off their vulnerabilities.
There are plenty of people, and companies run by people, espousing those ideas.
Brady decided to partner with one who has scammed cancer patients. Blatantly lied to them to capitalize off their vulnerabilities.
Solid, even handed take by Curran on Guerrero
Will get link on mobile now
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-who-alex-guerrero-heres-what-i-know
Will get link on mobile now
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-who-alex-guerrero-heres-what-i-know
tims4wins said:
Medicine deals with that. It's called preventative medicine.
Doubtful.
Look; what Tom Brady is doing is not exactly unique. Quackery has long been the bane of athletics. Dan Marino pushing magnetic band therapies. The massive explosion of the supplement industry. I've known quacks myself. One of the hallmarks of a quack is to create distrust in reputable professionals and established practices. That gives them two advantages: 1) They establish false trust with their client and 2) they can easily deflect criticism for their untested, unreliable (and almost always ineffective) practices.
I mean, just a few months ago, this board was pretty unanimous in condemning Russell Wilson for this exact same nonsense. And was right to do so!
This is largely a non-story, that is getting little to no traction nationally. Because no one outside of 128, a probably fairly few within 128, give two shits about Boston Magazine. It was ginned up yesterday by the usual local talk radio jackals. His partner in his nutrition and conditioning company got into fairly minor legal hot water about infomercials over a decade ago. Before he and Brady were partners. Infomercials that he hardly made a fortune of off. Their current company does not, by any evidence I've seen, make any claims regarding their products curing anything, other than possibly preventing sports injuries. Only that they promote a healthier lifestyle and peak athletic performance. All of which is certainly debatable. None of which constitutes another scandal. I suspect this is dead by the weekend.
I'm curious about the brain games he plays to keep his mental and physical acuity. I'd like to see a book on that.
I agree that the preponderance of the evidence (sorry) renders this a non-story. The part that fascinates me is whether Mr. Kraft (actually whatever the corporate entity may be) in his leasing of facilities to this particular company would have demanded some sort of hold-harmless clause as regards what could happen if, Heaven forbid ("five-bid even" for you old Snagglepuss fans) somebody were to be successful in asserting a claim that any of the compounds damaged them. IANAL, obviously by what I'm sure is inept phrasing, but I'm allowed curiosity.
Beyond that, I would believe that the fact that Mr. Kraft allowed this company into his facility infers that due diligence as to Guerrero's repentance/recovery from earlier legal difficulties disclosed that Guerrero's involvement did not pose an unmanageable risk. As Mr. Kraft views Tom Brady as a son, I'm also sure that Mr. Kraft also counseled Tom as to the wisdom of entering into business with a prior (find me a better word than "charlatan" as concluded by the FTC).
Beyond that, I would believe that the fact that Mr. Kraft allowed this company into his facility infers that due diligence as to Guerrero's repentance/recovery from earlier legal difficulties disclosed that Guerrero's involvement did not pose an unmanageable risk. As Mr. Kraft views Tom Brady as a son, I'm also sure that Mr. Kraft also counseled Tom as to the wisdom of entering into business with a prior (find me a better word than "charlatan" as concluded by the FTC).
But he isn't hawking energy bands or mystical marble necklaces. He's saying that kids drinking Coke and eating Frosted Flakes is shitty, but a lot of people just kind of go with the flow because it's what we know. I don't feed my niece avocado ice cream, but I don't let her drink soda when we go out to eat, and I give her yogurt, granola and fruit for breakfast. I'd sooner let the kid eat a chocolate bar than frosted flakes. At least dark chocolate has antioxidants.Devizier said:
Isn't the food pyramid widely disregarded now anyways?
He's also saying to kids that drinking this water helps prevent concussions. That's very fucked up.Caspir said:
I think people are taking it too far with the concussion water thing. They are ultimately saying if you are more fully hydrated, and your body is getting more of the nutrients that it needs, you'll be less susceptible to concussions. While I understand how it is seen as "quackery", it probably has some truth to it. Mind you, it probably helps you by 0.01% or whatever and it was clearly a marketing effort of a product that had no evidence of actually working, but is it any different from a product standpoint than something like gatorade or "vitamin" water -- which is sold as some sort of miracle sports drink -- which is really just a bunch of sugar water?PC Drunken Friar said:
And I do happen to agree with Brady about the whole food supply thing in the US, and the fact that we are literally poisoning our kids with soda and sugar and all of the other shit that has made us the fattest and unhealthiest developed nation in the world.
I don't find much of what Brady said yesterday concerning or really even all that controversial in 2015. The issue is his decision to associate with the guy who faked a cancer study. I don't care all that much, but it's head-scratching at best.
Yes, I can understand D&C hammering him on the association with Guerrero, but what he said is not controversial at all. I don't care about him being friends with a guy who has pretty clearly been a scumbag at points in his life, but I also don't know what they want Brady to say. They just kept grilling him -- he should have just said "He's my friend. That's it."Ed Hillel said:
Also, is it really surprising that Brady could potentially be naive about this guy? He pretty clearly is kind of a Northern California weirdo, he clearly came across as really naive, bordering on clueless, at times during the DeflateGate controversy, and even his wife -- whom you woud expect to know him better than anyone said this:
"He's very naive, almost like a child. That is my favorite quality about him." - Mrs. TB12
You don't think he has had one of the most manufactured personas of any athlete in the mold of Derek Jeter. He is keenly aware of every move he makes. Everything is deliberate, I MO.RGREELEY33 said:
I do think there is some of that, but I also think he is just a goober who is pretty a pretty naive guy. I mean, he's been described that way by teammates, coaches, his wife -- it doesn't seem like a huge stretch to me.PC Drunken Friar said:
Either way, I don't really care -- I just want him to win 3-5 more Superbowls.
Invoking Dealey Plaza pretty much takes the cake.Myt1 said:
It has been clear for some time that DFG has inflicted PTSD on more than a few here. Some of the thread titles could not be more dreary, the fears more paranoid.
Having the joy sucked out of the offseason was understandable. At some point, people really need to move on and enjoy this season.
I don't think so.PC Drunken Friar said:
Brady pretty much stays out of the limelight when he's not playing. He doesn't do talk shows, he doesn't do national TV endorsements, he doesn't say much at all, really. His persona is only "molded" insofar as he just has no persona to speak of beyond the football field. And when he does talk, he sounds awkward or, in one famous instance, began crying.
I don't think he's "manufactured" at all, I think he kind of just wants to be left alone.
Given his celebrity and the camp followers I imagine he and the Mrs. attracts, (and this assumes nothing untoward of Mr. Guerrero) I can only hope any and all business ventures get thoroughly vetted by lawyers and accountants and perhaps PR types to protect TB's blind-side.Ed Hillel said:
dcmissle said:
YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!
I'm glad you've moved on. I haven't. Many other fans haven't. If you talk about football with any fans of any other teams you know they haven't. For Brady's sake a major theme of NFL coverage this week is that the Pats are big time cheaters because they run to many rub routes. Football has became a sport where I get to savor the Pats but I can't talk about it with other fans because the rest of the football universe is convinced that my team is a bunch of cheating cheaters who cheat. Thanks Ted, thanks Rodge, thanks Bill Polian, thanks ESPN producers who take Bruschi off screen every time you discuss deflategate!
Let me grieve in my own way damnit.
Hadn't checked on this thread in a couple of days, but I'm delighted by what's been posted since i was last here. Despite the fact that this entire issue is manufactured and not anything to worry about, this is now my go-to thread for truly entertaining misinformation.
You mean other then the two times you suggested that Brady would be killed for his views and emphasized your seriousness by saying "I'm not joking in the least"?
What you are suggesting in the bolded is far more absurd than what we've witnessed over the last 12 months.
Outside of civil forfeiture, which doesn't seem to apply here, can you provide an example where a landlord is held to be responsible for the actions of a tenant?
The idea that a certain brand of water provides better hydration and could help make you less susceptible to the effects of a concussion has no truth to it. As stated upthread by Devizier, we killed Russell Wilson for making almost this exact claim several months ago.
It's actually kind of stunning that you are cynical about Gatorade (which actually has studies to back up it's rather limited claims about the benefits of proper hydration) and yet are willing to believe there may be something to the concussion idea.
Erik Hanson's Hook said:
You mean other then the two times you suggested that Brady would be killed for his views and emphasized your seriousness by saying "I'm not joking in the least"?
GBrushTWood said:
What you are suggesting in the bolded is far more absurd than what we've witnessed over the last 12 months.
bernardsamuel said:
Outside of civil forfeiture, which doesn't seem to apply here, can you provide an example where a landlord is held to be responsible for the actions of a tenant?
RGREELEY33 said:
The idea that a certain brand of water provides better hydration and could help make you less susceptible to the effects of a concussion has no truth to it. As stated upthread by Devizier, we killed Russell Wilson for making almost this exact claim several months ago.
It's actually kind of stunning that you are cynical about Gatorade (which actually has studies to back up it's rather limited claims about the benefits of proper hydration) and yet are willing to believe there may be something to the concussion idea.
I don't see why this is a big deal. People expect way too much out of other people (not just athletes). One of the most common traits of people who are exceptional in one field is that they tend to have deficiencies in other fields. Brady is a phenomenal QB and probably the GOAT - who cares if he screws up or has weird views in other parts of his life? Obviously if Brady was involved in illegal activities or exposing racist beliefs or something that'd be a different story, but that's not really the case here.
On a side note though, it is somewhat amazing how much successful people in one field end up shitting the bed ridiculously hard when they have the money and influence to run their own company. I feel like the best advice to give someone who makes an exceeding amount of wealth not being a businessman is to tell them to never attempt to be a businessman. Money and influence lets you enter into business at the top, but if you never had a business background the odds of you fucking up are pretty high. Schilling probably being the most relatable and recent example of this phenomenon. ESPN's 30 for 30's series had a great deal of similar athlete based examples as well: http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=broke
On a side note though, it is somewhat amazing how much successful people in one field end up shitting the bed ridiculously hard when they have the money and influence to run their own company. I feel like the best advice to give someone who makes an exceeding amount of wealth not being a businessman is to tell them to never attempt to be a businessman. Money and influence lets you enter into business at the top, but if you never had a business background the odds of you fucking up are pretty high. Schilling probably being the most relatable and recent example of this phenomenon. ESPN's 30 for 30's series had a great deal of similar athlete based examples as well: http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=broke
Fair enough.Shelterdog said:
It should be noted, though, that if you go to ESPN's football page, you will find a story about clock operators in SD, but little if anything about rub routes. And if you visit PFT.com, the big Pats story is BB dissing a reporter for asking a question about TB's toughness; Florio is a good barometer for scandal, real and imagined. Finally, if you Google rub route, the stories are really old.
But if you dig deeply enough. You can find anything.
Insofar as this guy is concerned, I have two thoughts. If all the Pats, especially TB, are not squared away this season on the jot and tittle of every rule, I cannot feel sorry for them. That would be unimaginably stupid. Second, when the time comes if it has not already passed when TB has to piss in a cup (or whatever else they do), I would have guys standing by to take a second simultaneous sample. I would send that sample to an independent certified lab. I would have a video guy there to record the chain of custody. Finally, I would call the NFL office and declare that this is exactly what I am doing.
It's easy to say move on. And the reality is that unless something extremely unexpected at the Second Circuit happens, the worst of the DG BS is over. Critically, the risk that Tom will miss games is almost certainly over.
But as good as Berman's decision was and as satisfying as this early season has been, we are still going to read about and hear about the briefs and arguments before the Second Circuit, the Second Circuit is still going to rule, RG is not going to withdraw his appeal and, way more important than any of that, the Pats have been robbed of a first and a fourth.
On a less tangible basis, Pats fans are still dealing with the ever present "Cheatriots!" stuff. That was all supposed to go away with the 4th SB win, the quasi redemption game. "See, the taping meant nothing." Even if it was left unsaid, that was something many Pats fans talked about having in their back pocket. And if anything, the noise from opposing fans got louder and persists.
Make no mistake, the SB win was redunkulous, and the start of this season has been glorious. Whatever the motivations are, the Pats are looking great. Massive fun. But it's tiring on some level to have to hear nonsense that was supposed to go away or at least die down somewhat.
In any event, given the sum total of all that has gone on, it's not surprising when some fans get a little on edge over their QB going into business with a person with some really questionable shit in his past. From my perspective, that Alex Guerrero helps Tom get and stay on the field, and gives Tom a sense of confidence and calm, makes the noise bearable, even while I would prefer that it did not exist.
But as good as Berman's decision was and as satisfying as this early season has been, we are still going to read about and hear about the briefs and arguments before the Second Circuit, the Second Circuit is still going to rule, RG is not going to withdraw his appeal and, way more important than any of that, the Pats have been robbed of a first and a fourth.
On a less tangible basis, Pats fans are still dealing with the ever present "Cheatriots!" stuff. That was all supposed to go away with the 4th SB win, the quasi redemption game. "See, the taping meant nothing." Even if it was left unsaid, that was something many Pats fans talked about having in their back pocket. And if anything, the noise from opposing fans got louder and persists.
Make no mistake, the SB win was redunkulous, and the start of this season has been glorious. Whatever the motivations are, the Pats are looking great. Massive fun. But it's tiring on some level to have to hear nonsense that was supposed to go away or at least die down somewhat.
In any event, given the sum total of all that has gone on, it's not surprising when some fans get a little on edge over their QB going into business with a person with some really questionable shit in his past. From my perspective, that Alex Guerrero helps Tom get and stay on the field, and gives Tom a sense of confidence and calm, makes the noise bearable, even while I would prefer that it did not exist.
Fox Business news picked up on the D&C interview. (Incidentally, that show couldn't have a better shorthand nickname....)
There is no more risk here than thousands of angry woman going after him for Alex and Ani "positive energy" bracelets.bernardsamuel said:
Devizier said:
Egoscue is not a quack. My ortho diagnosed me with PFPS and prescribed physical therapy. A buddy gave me a copy of Egoscue's book and it's very similar to my rehab. Case in point, the connection between knee pain and internal hip rotation. Once upon a time mainstream medicine thought PFPS was caused by quad imbalance that led to improper patellar tracking. But more recent MRI studies *under load* show that the patellar tracks just fine. The real problem is that the femur is internally rotated, which causes the cartilage to wear down. But Egoscue was talking about internal rotation and hip mobility 20 years earlier.
To draw a deeper lesson, part of the appeal of quackery is the arrogance of western medicine. They are slowly, step-by-step, learning how the body works. But each time they add a piece they speak with an exaggerated authority. Ten or twenty years later they get another piece of evidence and the paradigm shifts and then they say "oh yeah, that old quad stuff, no one on the cutting edge had believed that for decades, but doctors keep preaching what they learned back in med school."
A little epistemic humility goes a long way.
Before I heard Brady say any of this I really only admired him as an athlete and role model.tims4wins said:
After hearing him say this, he is one of my all-time favorite people, period. One of my biggest passions in life - if not my #1 passion - is health and nutrition. I read about it and practice it in various ways every single day. His comments about food are spot on and it blows my mind that in 2015 so many people don't understand what he's talking about.
You literally are what you eat; your body is completely made up of what you put into it. You regenerate cells, fight disease, and maintain a certain level of athletic ability (if applicable to you) based completely on what you eat and, perhaps to a lesser extent, how you train your body. Anyone who's into weightlifting, for example, and has been through "bulking," "maintenance" or "cut" periods know there's nothing more important to your physical makeup than your diet.
The same ideas related to focusing on nutrition for optimum athletic performance can be applied to using nutrition for healthy everyday living. Don't believe me? Cut all processed foods - especially soft drinks and high-sugar beverages (including fruit juices) - from your diet for two weeks. Cut ALL alcohol, too. Eat only organic greens, moderate natural proteins (grass-fed beef, free range eggs, etc), moderate "clean" carbohydrates (brown rice, quinoa) and drink ONLY water. At the end of the second week you'll sleep better than you ever have, have more energy than you've ever had, and likely find yourself in a consistently positive state of mind. Food has almost everything to do with how you physically operate as a human being. Brady understands this, 95% of America doesn't...and it's largely because of the exact reasons he mentioned (advertising, bad habits, etc).
What Brady's saying may sound crazy to people who've never actually walked in his footsteps and tried to do what he does on a daily basis from a nutritional standpoint. IMO, I think people who don't believe him are people that don't want to put in the effort that he does and, instead, lazily assume that what he's saying is a bunch of junk science. Dismissing his suggestions and manufacturing an opinion that what he's saying is a bunch of garbage only takes a couple of seconds; changing your lifestyle to see if what he's suggesting may actually be true takes a lot more effort.
Now - will any of this ("extreme" clean eating) prevent cancer? Who knows. But it will certainly - as in there is zero doubt - significantly improve daily living for anyone who practices it. You'd be surprised how much you lose your appetite for alcohol, sweets, and processed food in general when you simply stop consuming them and make it through a ~2 week adjustment period.
Edit: clarity
Sounds like if you inhale enough smog you believe Northern Californians are weirder than Southern Californians.RGREELEY33 said:
I'm glad that your experience was different from mine.
That being said, my experience with Egoscue was for dealing with a herniated disc that arose from an acute weightlifting injury. The cost for treatment (around fifteen years ago) was immense -- something around two thousand dollars (up front) for a ten-session package. But they offered a trial session and decided to give it a shot, on personal recommendation. I was desperate, suffering intense pain, unable to walk or stand normally. My HMO was no help, insisting on a discredited conservative therapy rather than surgical intervention. I'd met with renown orthopedic surgeons who made me wait three hours in an examination room wearing nothing more than a hospital gown. Nine months of this had left me with frayed nerves. Believe me, I understand why people view the medical community with skepticism.
My trial visit went mostly uneventfully. Towards the end, I was made to stand next to a plumb line. The trainer took photos to document something that I already knew: the intense pain in my lower back was preventing me from standing up straight. But that was not the reason, assured the trainer -- there was something wrong with the way that my hips were aligned, and my poor lifestyle choices were partly to blame. There was a bunch of other heavy jargon that was slung my way and it didn't make much sense to me, then or now. I left the appointment confused, maybe a little intimidated, but with a faint glimmer of hope that my situation would be resolved. Well, ten sessions later, and there was no improvement, except maybe in how I *thought* things were progressing. Suffice to say, any honest observer would tell you that things weren't looking any better for me. Anyways, I had the time to observe all manner of other patients in the clinic: mostly athletic folks dealing with a minor issue, but also a man who was morbidly obese, and a paraplegic woman. I wonder what kind of promises were made to them.
The story has a happy ending, though. At long last, my HMO caved and agreed to a consultation with an orthopedic surgeon. His was a different story altogether, but my outcome was good. After 12 months of dealing with back pain, a simple laminotomy in my L4-L5 vertebrae and I was completely better. The next day, I walked out the hospital totally upright for the first time in nearly a year. I was distance running within weeks. I've spent fifteen very active years since with hardly a problem.
I'm not a medical practitioner, but there's no doubt in my mind about the variable quality of medical care in this country. And of course some doctors speak with exaggerated authority. I mean, shit, some of the most important scientists of the twentieth century speak with exaggerated authority. But that's not the reason why people find quacks appealing. After all, the definitional aspect of a quack is that they speak with exaggerated authority (i.e. without medical evidence). People seek out quacks because they're looking for solutions that they're not finding elsewhere.
None of this is to say that there aren't problems with the practice of medicine in this country, or that good diet and exercise doesn't lead to better outcomes. All of these things are true, and I'd be hard pressed to find a doctor or scientist who says otherwise.
Has it not died down somewhat? It was the only NFL story for half a year. Now 93% of all global mentions about this new "scandal" are happening on this board.* And something something rub routes something. We had a dull roar for months, and now we have some masochistic Pats fans yelling into a canyon to hear their own echo.TheoShmeo said:
To turn an old adage on its head, just because they're all out to get you (impersonal) doesn't mean you aren't paranoid.
It's one thing to be suspicious of a possible Rogering down the road. It's another thing entirely to contribute to the manufacture of controversy for the sole purpose of wallowing in it. Most of the time, the shadows are nothing to jump at.
I believe, though am not certain, that you are in the Boston area, Myt1.
Here in the NYC area, and really everywhere else I confront NFL fans in the US, the Cheatriots stuff hasn't remotely died down. Full raging fire.
That said, it's true, the Brady story isn't actually a story down here. Or if it is, I've been spared it. But beating Goodell at the District Court level hasn't slowed down the broader cheating taunts.
Not that it really matters what opportunists and the like say. They will say what they say. But I can understand how fans who have been dealing with the nonsense can roll their eyes and sigh when they hear about another potential issue around this team and QB.
And again, this one doesn't worry me personally at all.
Here in the NYC area, and really everywhere else I confront NFL fans in the US, the Cheatriots stuff hasn't remotely died down. Full raging fire.
That said, it's true, the Brady story isn't actually a story down here. Or if it is, I've been spared it. But beating Goodell at the District Court level hasn't slowed down the broader cheating taunts.
Not that it really matters what opportunists and the like say. They will say what they say. But I can understand how fans who have been dealing with the nonsense can roll their eyes and sigh when they hear about another potential issue around this team and QB.
And again, this one doesn't worry me personally at all.
I do live in Boston. However, I do have access to national media.
The notion that things haven't at least died down some strikes me as the sort of thing that simply can't be objectively accurate. Even the OTL report largely fell flat.
I'm not saying that the stigma has been washed away. But we're not hearing about it on late night TV anymore.
Edit: If you're limiting the issue to opposing fans, maybe you're right. But who cares?
The notion that things haven't at least died down some strikes me as the sort of thing that simply can't be objectively accurate. Even the OTL report largely fell flat.
I'm not saying that the stigma has been washed away. But we're not hearing about it on late night TV anymore.
Edit: If you're limiting the issue to opposing fans, maybe you're right. But who cares?
I mean in terms of it being larger than what it is. I think reasonable people can agree that this thread, for example, took a turn for the silly a bit back, right?
TheoShmeo said:
Do you ever wonder if the people close to you (coworkers, friends, etc.) like to bring this stuff up around you more often than they normally would simply to get you riled up?
More irritating than having to tell some DFG truther, in a professional context, to stuff it (and I've told more than a few, including some who had associations to Paul Weiss), is holding the hand of a weak-kneed Patriots fan.
Tom wouldn't want you worrying about what might be lurking in the shadows. He'd want you to stand up and be glad the team is 4-0. Come on, man. It's about Honor! It's about Respect! Stop doing this to yourself!
Tom wouldn't want you worrying about what might be lurking in the shadows. He'd want you to stand up and be glad the team is 4-0. Come on, man. It's about Honor! It's about Respect! Stop doing this to yourself!
According to CNN.com, TB12 is getting crap for his comments on Coke and Frosted Flakes:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/companies/brady-coke-frosted-flakes/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/companies/brady-coke-frosted-flakes/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom
according to the article, these companies "hitting back" involve statements that say:Don Buddin's GS said:
Coke: "All of our beverages are safe and can be enjoyed as part of a balanced lifestyle."
Kelloggs: "Cereal is a delicious and nutritious breakfast. Numerous studies show that a cereal breakfast is associated with lower [body mass index, a measure of obesity] in both children and adults."
Tom's clearly been put on high alert by the junk food lobby!
Don Buddin's GS said:
How, exactly, is that an example of Tom Brady (excuse me, "TB12") getting crap for his comments?
Coke responded by saying that their beverages are safe. Kellogg's rolled out a PR flack to say that cereal is food. McDonald's said nothing. None of them made any direct reference to Brady that I can see.
RIRooter, there is definitely some of that. But I also hear it a lot from people who don't know that I'm a Pats fan. It's just the immediate reaction of a lot of NFL fans when the Pats come up.
As Myt1 said, this stuff cannot be proven. My perception is that the fan narrative has not really died down, and that yes, the media is now less prone to cheatriotize the Pats than they were before the Berman decision came out.
And yeah, at the end of the day, it truly doesn't matter what opposing fans might say. It's just a little tiresome, and I think that the prevalence (along with the loss of the picks and the fact that the litigation against Brady hasn't actually been resolved) partially explains why some people react more stridently than they otherwise would to perceived or actual slights and issues.
As Myt1 said, this stuff cannot be proven. My perception is that the fan narrative has not really died down, and that yes, the media is now less prone to cheatriotize the Pats than they were before the Berman decision came out.
And yeah, at the end of the day, it truly doesn't matter what opposing fans might say. It's just a little tiresome, and I think that the prevalence (along with the loss of the picks and the fact that the litigation against Brady hasn't actually been resolved) partially explains why some people react more stridently than they otherwise would to perceived or actual slights and issues.
Jesus Christ. We are kicking everyone's ass coming off a Super Bowl victory. I live in FUCKING INDY and I can tell you that I am very much enjoying the grim resignation of most Colts fans to the fact that Patriots are still really, really good.
Can we please please cut out the whoa is us sad sack shit? We're rooting FOR THE BEST FUCKING TEAM IN FOOTBALL. These people can't stand it. What more could we possibly ask for? (Other than a 72-0 beat down on Sunday in which every TD is a TB12 sneak.)
Can we please please cut out the whoa is us sad sack shit? We're rooting FOR THE BEST FUCKING TEAM IN FOOTBALL. These people can't stand it. What more could we possibly ask for? (Other than a 72-0 beat down on Sunday in which every TD is a TB12 sneak.)