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They didn't. Baynes didn't use the MLE. Boston was likely still in on him today.
not convinced that BOS really wanted Cousins after signing Baynes. First, the Cs could have offered more $ than GSW if they wanted him (since Cs had full mid level exception). Second, if Cousins was really serious about Cs, I assume conversations started before yesterday but once they signed Baynes, every dollar they paid Cousins is a dollar less than they could pay Smart.

I'm sure DA listened to Cousins but I'm guessing they are perfectly fine to go forward without him.
 

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not convinced that BOS really wanted Cousins after signing Baynes. First, the Cs could have offered more $ than GSW if they wanted him (since Cs had full mid level exception). Second, if Cousins was really serious about Cs, I assume conversations started before yesterday but once they signed Baynes, every dollar they paid Cousins is a dollar less than they could pay Smart.

I'm sure DA listened to Cousins but I'm guessing they are perfectly fine to go forward without him.
I don't think they wanted him for full MLE. Just because you don't want a guy for the max you can offer him doesn't mean you don't want him.

And I'd be stunned if they were choosing between Baynes and Boogie instead of wanting both.

Boogie isn't going to play the first half of the year, safe to assume Williams isn't going to be ready. I don't think they were planning on just having Theis and Horford as center options.
 

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The track record of guys coming back from Achilles injuries is so, so poor. 60-70% Boogie is fine against the Jazz, but the Celtics will run him off the floor.

Also, fuck the Warriors.

EDIT: I usually don't root for injuries, but it would be cool if Dubs fans had to experience what actual injury bad luck feels like.
 

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I don't think they wanted him for full MLE. Just because you don't want a guy for the max you can offer him doesn't mean you don't want him.

And I'd be stunned if they were choosing between Baynes and Boogie instead of wanting both.

Boogie isn't going to play the first half of the year, safe to assume Williams isn't going to be ready. I don't think they were planning on just having Theis and Horford as center options.
I'm convinced Danny is going to sign Smart and use the MLE as well.
 

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I'm convinced Danny is going to sign Smart and use the MLE as well.
That would be surprising unless Smart plays for the qualifying offer, or they dump Morris off and take back no salary.

They need to stay under the tax this year.
 

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That would be surprising unless Smart plays for the qualifying offer, or they dump Morris off and take back no salary.

They need to stay under the tax this year.
I don't think it is out of the question he takes the QO. The market seems relatively dried up at this point
 

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I don't think it is out of the question he takes the QO. The market seems relatively dried up at this point
I think there’s a very good chance he plays to hit the market next offseason. It should be flooded with money unlike right now.
 

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I don't think it is out of the question he takes the QO. The market seems relatively dried up at this point
I don't think it is either, the post i responded to said Danny is going to sign Smart, I took that as more than just taking the qualifying offer. I could be reading that wrong.

Though either way, if Smart is here and they use more than a small amount of the MLE, it'll put them in the tax without making other salary saving moves. I have it somewhere around 3M they could spend before hitting the tax if Smart takes qualifying offer and they waive Nader.
 

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I don't think it is either, the post i responded to said Danny is going to sign Smart, I took that as more than just taking the qualifying offer. I could be reading that wrong.

Though either way, if Smart is here and they use more than a small amount of the MLE, it'll put them in the tax without making other salary saving moves. I have it somewhere around 3M they could spend before hitting the tax if Smart takes qualifying offer and they waive Nader.
Maybe Smart does whatever it takes to make sure this team kicks Boogie's ass.
 

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Boogie Cousins, who many teams want to avoid anyway, coming off that injury most likely had a very small market, especially this year. I doubt anyone was offering more than a one year contract to make sure the Achilles hadn’t killed his career. He also probably wasn’t getting offered anymore than the full MLE by others. It’s not like he left 3 years and an extra $20 mill a year on the table to do this.
 

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Boogie Cousins, who many teams want to avoid anyway, coming off that injury most likely had a very small market, especially this year. I doubt anyone was offering more than a one year contract to make sure the Achilles hadn’t killed his career. He also probably wasn’t getting offered anymore than the full MLE by others. It’s not like he left 3 years and an extra $20 mill a year on the table to do this.
I’m sure he got higher offers, but probably believed it’s better long-term for him to win and showcase himself on an elite team and then hit free agency next year.

Edit, maybe not! According to Boogie, he had zero offers and went team hunting himself.
Cousins, who averaged 25.2 points, 12.9 rebounds and 5.4 assists and shot 35.4 percent on 3-pointers last season in 48 games, told The Undefeated's Marc J. Spears he was confused and hurt that he had no offers, even from the Pelicans.
He also said this:
"This is my ace of spades," Cousins said. "This is my chess move."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23980153/demarcus-cousins-agrees-join-golden-state-warriors-1-year-53-million-deal
 
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The track record of guys coming back from Achilles injuries is so, so poor. 60-70% Boogie is fine against the Jazz, but the Celtics will run him off the floor.

Also, fuck the Warriors.

EDIT: I usually don't root for injuries, but it would be cool if Dubs fans had to experience what actual injury bad luck feels like.
Does their hall of fame, 2-time
MVP missing early half the season from injury count as having bad injury luck?

Where's the line on that? This is a serious question. Obviously it's not as serious an injury as what Hayward suffered. But then again, Steph is a much better player than Hayward is. But of course, GS was well equipped to handle his absence.

Nonetheless, missing a player of Curry's stature for 31 games is a pretty significant injury.


As for Boogie.... even st 75%, he's way way better than what GS had at that position last year. Dude is a hell of a basketball player. Unreal that they got him. Thankfully for just one season but still. What a starting lineup they can roll out there in the playoffs. They can beat you in any way imaginable now.
 

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Does their hall of fame, 2-time
MVP missing early half the season from injury count as having bad injury luck?

Where's the line on that? This is a serious question. Obviously it's not as serious an injury as what Hayward suffered. But then again, Steph is a much better player than Hayward is. But of course, GS was well equipped to handle his absence.

Nonetheless, missing a player of Curry's stature for 31 games is a pretty significant injury.


As for Boogie.... even st 75%, he's way way better than what GS had at that position last year. Dude is a hell of a basketball player. Unreal that they got him. Thankfully for just one season but still. What a starting lineup they can roll out there in the playoffs. They can beat you in any way imaginable now.
Curry missing 31 games and coming back for the meaningful playoff rounds does not constitute bad injury luck. If Durant missed 31 games including the entire playoffs and Curry missed the whole season, then you would be talking about bad injury luck. Dubs were well on the left side of the bell curve.
 

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As has been discussed, the track record of guys coming off achilles injuries is so terrible that it's far from clear that he'll come back at 75% or anything close. I think it's even money whether he's more productive than JaVale McGee for them next year. The benefit of course is that the Warriors have about 10 other backup centers on their roster, so they don't need to play Boogie in meaningful minutes if he's worse than JaVale.
 

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We are a society that greatly values winning in athletics. If you fail to win a title, particularly in a basketball, it’s a black mark for the rest of your career. Boogie has been called selfish and a loser his entire career; he can change that by playing well for GS; likely snag a ring, and prove that he’s healthy. It makes all the sense in the world for him to go there.
I dont know about the ring and black mark parts, but I think that playing reasonably well and being healthy and being a good basketball citizen on a demanding (basketball-wise) team will go a long way towards a big payday.

I'm not sure Antoine Walker's ring changed the perception of him as a player very much.
 

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Hopefully there are still some guys left in the NBA that would rather take down a team like that than join them. That stings coming in second again and losing a guy to the Warriors.
I have good news that will take the sting away. We didn't come in second on Durant, and he said as much. He was unimpressed by TB12's gaze.

I get it. Was no team left to offer him real money and frankly a good fit. What the fuck the Lakers were thinking throwing dumb money on rondo and others when they could have offered a lot more is beyond me.

Boogie gets to rehab without pressure and win a ring and prove he's healthy for a big payday next year with a higher cap and lots of contracts ending.

It's not a crazy thing for him. But yeah the draft and tanking is the NBA's issue. Fucking silver.
This is the part that confuses me. Even if they aren't winning a title this year, the Lakers could've gotten Boogie and had the entire year to evaluate his achilles before deciding whether to commit to him long term next off season. Bonus points for whatever he contributes in the playoffs. Instead, they watch GS pick him up on the taxpayer MLE. I don't know what Magic is thinking, because Lebron can say what he wants, but I don't think it is realistic for him to "wait til next year" given his age, and thew realities of the Western Conference.

Also, I agree completely on the last bit. Silver is a great commissioner in some ways, but his fascination with ending tanking while allowing two or three teams to play 2K on easy mode because of the way the cap is structured is hurting the competitiveness of the game, and will affect the ratings at some point. I know ratings were down for the Finals this year, but man, it could get a lot worse going forward.

We need Boston/Philly to really turn it up a notch in the next season or two to avoid a really boring stretch for non Bay Area residents and newfound GS fans who suddenly discovered their love of the Warriors but didn't watch them when Latrell Spreewell was choking mother fuckers out.
 

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As has been discussed, the track record of guys coming off achilles injuries is so terrible that it's far from clear that he'll come back at 75% or anything close. I think it's even money whether he's more productive than JaVale McGee for them next year. The benefit of course is that the Warriors have about 10 other backup centers on their roster, so they don't need to play Boogie in meaningful minutes if he's worse than JaVale.
This^^^^^ right here.

All this commotion for a guy who had zero offers, coming off an achilles,will have to blend in with the Warriors style while having little if any practice time in Jan/Feb, has a questionable at best attitude, and is arguably a terrible fit for how the Warriors play...….yeah, what's not to love?

Seriously though, I agree that there is a decent chance the Warriors are a better team with Looney, who they are reportedly trying to retain, or Iguodala in the lineup and maybe even Bell although defensively he faces many of the same problems with this unit that Boogie will soon find. It's great for PR and hearing the general public talk about "5 All-Stars" is exciting...….but in the end I'm not sure the Warriors improved on the court with this signing while having a greater than zero chance that they prove to be worse with Boogie out there.
 

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This^^^^^ right here.

All this commotion for a guy who had zero offers, coming off an achilles,will have to blend in with the Warriors style while having little if any practice time in Jan/Feb, has a questionable at best attitude, and is arguably a terrible fit for how the Warriors play...….yeah, what's not to love?
Like I said earlier in the thread, there wasn't a whole lot of interest in a healthy Cousins at the deadline.

Similarities to Coleman go beyond the initials.
 

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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
 

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According to a league source, the Celtics never made an offer for DeMarcus Cousins. They’d heard he might have interest in Boston, and by the time they started to look into it, he was a Warrior.
Danny's been great, but this is a cop out. He shouldn't need Boogies camp to notify him of interest. Phone works both ways.
 

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Danny's been great, but this is a cop out. He shouldn't need Boogies camp to notify him of interest. Phone works both ways.
This doesn't strike me as the Celtics being pissed they missed out on him though. More like they put it on their list of things to consider depending on how Smart, etc. play out and when he quickly signed with the Warriors they shrugged and moved on. As others have pointed out it just seems like there really wasn't much of a market for Boogie and it's obvious the Celtics had passing interest at best.
 

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This doesn't strike me as the Celtics being pissed they missed out on him though. More like they put it on their list of things to consider depending on how Smart, etc. play out and when he quickly signed with the Warriors they shrugged and moved on. As others have pointed out it just seems like there really wasn't much of a market for Boogie and it's obvious the Celtics had passing interest at best.
This is my take as well. With Horford, Baynes, Theis, and Sleeping Beauty, the need for Cousins was minimal. My guess is that Ainge had modest interest and the Warriors simply beat him to the punch while he worked on other things.
 

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This is my take as well. With Horford, Baynes, Theis, and Sleeping Beauty, the need for Cousins was minimal. My guess is that Ainge had modest interest and the Warriors simply beat him to the punch while he worked on other things.
I'll take it even further. How about Ainge had NO interest and upon being informed that Boogie was desperate for a team to love him simply said all the right things until the Warriors signed him.
 

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I'll take it even further. How about Ainge had NO interest and upon being informed that Boogie was desperate for a team to love him simply said all the right things until the Warriors signed him.
Ainge could’ve acquired Boogie pretty easily when he was dealt to New Orleans. I just don’t think Boogie is his type of player.
 

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Ainge could’ve acquired Boogie pretty easily when he was dealt to New Orleans. I just don’t think Boogie is his type of player.
I agree. I don't think a notorious malcontent coming back from a crippling injury is what Danny wants on a team full of developing stars.
 

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Ainge could’ve acquired Boogie pretty easily when he was dealt to New Orleans. I just don’t think Boogie is his type of player.
I'm guessing that Boogie is not Brad Stevens' type of player either. It will be interesting to see how Boogie relates to Kerr and how he functions in the Golden State locker room.
 

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I'm guessing that Boogie is not Brad Stevens' type of player either. It will be interesting to see how Boogie relates to Kerr and how he functions in the Golden State locker room.
Per Mark Spears, he spoke with Steph, Dray, and KD before signing and was moved by how totally stoked they all seemed to be to have him aboard. Kerr apparently gave enthusiastic buy-off too. Spears also said he thought Boogie had no problem fitting in and accepting a much more limited role than he's used to (occasional 10-point games, e.g.) though I wasn't sure if that was Boogie's actual words or Spears conjecture.

Generally, I'm miles more concerned about the recovery from the Achilles than I am about any potential clubhouse chemistry issues. They've all played together a ton on Team USA, All-Star teams, etc. and all of the Big 4 seem to genuinely like Boogie (which I don't think was remotely the case with, say, Dwight Howard).

 

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Per Mark Spears, he spoke with Steph, Dray, and KD before signing and was moved by how totally stoked they all seemed to be to have him aboard. Kerr apparently gave enthusiastic buy-off too. Spears also said he thought Boogie had no problem fitting in and accepting a much more limited role than he's used to (occasional 10-point games, e.g.) though I wasn't sure if that was Boogie's actual words or Spears conjecture.

Generally, I'm miles more concerned about the recovery from the Achilles than I am about any potential clubhouse chemistry issues. They've all played together a ton on Team USA, All-Star teams, etc. and all of the Big 4 seem to genuinely like Boogie (which I don't think was remotely the case with, say, Dwight Howard).

Everyone is singing kumbaya now. And did you expect Kerr to be anything less than enthusiastic in public? But Boogie has had a way of wearing out his welcome. We'll see what happens when he cusses out a clubhouse man or assistant coach.

Boogie does appear to be less egotistical than Dwight Howard, so maybe it will work.
 

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Boogie wants to be back by training camp, this this signing his "Ace of Spades, this is my chess move."

Hey Boogie, it's not a chess move to join a super team. It's a "Head's I Win, Tails You Lose" move.
 

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I'm guessing that Boogie is not Brad Stevens' type of player either. It will be interesting to see how Boogie relates to Kerr and how he functions in the Golden State locker room.
When Sacramento gave away Boogie for a song and a Hield, it was pretty clear that Ainge and Stevens thought Boogie was locker room poison -- and that was even before they decided that IT was locker room poison. Now both Boogie and Tiny are damaged goods... and still locker room poison.
 

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I admittedly don’t follow the west coast teams all that closely, but I’ll grant Boogie a large dose of benefit of the doubt when viewing his time in Sacramento. I’m pretty sure a lot of players would get frustrated there. Was there something big in NO that I missed that suggested his attitude wasn’t a product of his environment?
 

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I admittedly don’t follow the west coast teams all that closely, but I’ll grant Boogie a large dose of benefit of the doubt when viewing his time in Sacramento. I’m pretty sure a lot of players would get frustrated there. Was there something big in NO that I missed that suggested his attitude wasn’t a product of his environment?
Not so sure about his attitude, but they did play better after he got hurt. That can't help your reputation.
 

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This is the part that confuses me. Even if they aren't winning a title this year, the Lakers could've gotten Boogie and had the entire year to evaluate his achilles before deciding whether to commit to him long term next off season. Bonus points for whatever he contributes in the playoffs. Instead, they watch GS pick him up on the taxpayer MLE. I don't know what Magic is thinking, because Lebron can say what he wants, but I don't think it is realistic for him to "wait til next year" given his age, and thew realities of the Western Conference.
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What I read is that per NBA signing rules GS won't be able to give him big money next year (not more than 120% of this year's salary, if I recall correctly) if he flourishes, so I assume the same would have been true for the Lakers.
 

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When Sacramento gave away Boogie for a song and a Hield, it was pretty clear that Ainge and Stevens thought Boogie was locker room poison -- and that was even before they decided that IT was locker room poison. Now both Boogie and Tiny are damaged goods... and still locker room poison.
I'm starting to re-think Boogie, and view him more as a kook than locker room poison.
On a Celtic team with young, impressionable players and laid back vets Boogie may be dangerous in the locker room. On a Warriors team with multiple veteran All-Stars with several rings, he can play the class clown. I don't expect a MLE to have a major impact in that locker room. If Boogie acts up Bob Myers will cut him in a heartbeat (and Boogie knows it). It reminds me of Rodman joining the Bulls after they won multiple Championships.
The big IF with Boogie is his health, Dray/Durant/Klay/Curry/AI/Livingston/Kerr/Myers will squash any of his antics.
 

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What I read is that per NBA signing rules GS won't be able to give him big money next year (not more than 120% of this year's salary, if I recall correctly) if he flourishes, so I assume the same would have been true for the Lakers.
Yea, but GS is over the cap. The Lakers will still be under so they could offer him more. I just figured they'd want their medical staff to have a year with him. Looks like it's moot though.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-rumors-lebrons-lakers-could-have-landed-demarcus-cousins-for-similar-price-as-warriors/amp/

Word also reached us Monday night that LeBron's Lakers, after signing Rajon Rondo away from New Orleans and then losing [Julius] Randle to the Pelicans, had an opportunity to sign Cousins at a one-year price point similar to the one that landed him in Golden State. But I'm told the Lakers passed, clearing the way for the Warriors to infuriate the basketball public yet again.
 

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Nope. In fact, he was starting to turn his image around and then the injury happened.
True. Not a locker room problem.
However, on court, in 48 games he still racked up 10 Technical Fouls, 2 Ejections and a Flagrant. He's no picnic. I think the thing that really scared teams off though is the injury. There's no track record of players coming back from this so why deal with it.
 

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Smart move by both sides. Boogie gets a great shot at a ring and a team that can slowly work him back from injury, GS gets a lottery ticket on a top talent being back for the playoffs.
It's 1 year, so I don't get all the fuss. GS was the prohibitive favorite already, and Boogie is unlikely to be 100% at any point this season.