”I am not a quitter”
Translation: “we’re not giving up the TV and ad revenue.”Heyman says there is a "strong commitment" to making the season work.
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1289632548339900416?s=19
”I am not a quitter”
Translation: “we’re not giving up the TV and ad revenue.”Heyman says there is a "strong commitment" to making the season work.
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1289632548339900416?s=19
These kids coming to a college near you this fall:Managing fluids would definitely help.
Not to get V&N, but if this is his 20-30 year olds with millions of dollars at stake act 2 weeks into their jobs, colleges should be lit.
Wasn't thinking it was a brag. Good on ya for going to ones on more cities than I. If you can’t wrap your head around the point, not sure how to help.This isn't the brag that you think it is.
I've been to very few strip clubs, but each one I have been to included a lot of booze.Wasn't thinking it was a brag. Good on ya for going to ones on more cities than I. If you can’t wrap your head around the point, not sure how to help.
Basic result
Strip club =\= biohazard
if he went fucking Carl’s Jr. I’m not sure he’d get same level of scrutiny
I’ll say this about strip clubs - at least they usually have staff capable of enforcing the rules. I feel bad watching 80 year old Walmart greeters or average built grocery clerks trying to enforce mask laws against aggressive disobeyers.Wasn't thinking it was a brag. Good on ya for going to ones on more cities than I. If you can’t wrap your head around the point, not sure how to help.
Basic result
Strip club =\= biohazard
if he went fucking Carl’s Jr. I’m not sure he’d get same level of scrutiny
This is such a strange, sad hill to die on.Wasn't thinking it was a brag. Good on ya for going to ones on more cities than I. If you can’t wrap your head around the point, not sure how to help.
Basic result
Strip club =\= biohazard
if he went fucking Carl’s Jr. I’m not sure he’d get same level of scrutiny
I don’t know how many times it needs to be pointed out that nobody is assigning any extra Horrible Fucking Decision Points to going to a strip club over a bar, club, casino or any other enclosed, crowded venue which serves alcohol, but apparently 6000 times isn’t enough for you.Wasn't thinking it was a brag. Good on ya for going to ones on more cities than I. If you can’t wrap your head around the point, not sure how to help.
Basic result
Strip club =\= biohazard
if he went fucking Carl’s Jr. I’m not sure he’d get same level of scrutiny
The only problem with that thinking is that for every game that is canceled, you have another team slated to play that same game. IMO forfeiting all of those games and potentially handing multiple teams 10 wins in a 60 game season isn't the way to go. You could have whoever those other affect teams are play each other as the league already has, but eventually their will be some scheduling conflicts and that gets thrown out of whack if as soon as you have a third team that's unable to go on. It will also force teams to play out of their division which is something MLB is trying to stay away from. I get that at this point it's all pretty much reactive rather than proactive so I guess everything is pretty much on the table until the pull the plug.Honestly since it seems like both teams with outbreaks are ones that straight up broke from protocol, just kick them out of the league and keep going. Cardinals finish out the rest of the season with losses. Marlins too.
Is the Commissioner the one risking his future health? If not, what does his personal philosophy have to do with endangering others? (Not that the player's union isn't totally complicit in this.)”I am not a quitter”
They also lose draft position because we damn well deserve it!Honestly since it seems like both teams with outbreaks are ones that straight up broke from protocol, just kick them out of the league and keep going. Cardinals finish out the rest of the season with losses. Marlins too.
Sure they have scary bouncers. But you know full well that strip clubs are a cat and mouse game where people are trying to get away with a little something, including the dancers. Full contact dances in states that require and air gap for example, because this type of behavior commands a premium. I’m not anti-strip club or stripper by any means. Put in a lot of hours back in the day, rubbing elbows with partners and entertaining clients. But it’s a setting that encourages intimacy and socialization. Even if rules are crafted to preclude that, it’s going to take place because $$$.I’ll say this about strip clubs - at least they usually have staff capable of enforcing the rules. I feel bad watching 80 year old Walmart greeters or average built grocery clerks trying to enforce mask laws against aggressive disobeyers.
But isn’t the bigger problem is we’re a week into this and already 2 teams have significant outbreaks? ERod is a young healthy athlete and has an enlarged heart condition. How many players/coaches need to have serious reactions to COVID for enough of the league to decide this isn’t worth it? Manfred can talk all he wants about not being a quitter but this isn’t his decision alone.What do you do with the teams that were supposed to play them? Random 2-3 day vacations? Do they go home if it's the middle of a road trip or do they spend those days holed up in the previous or next town? Where do they work out if they stay on the road (hitters will want to hit, pitchers will want to throw)?
Lol ok, I’m dying on the hill. Sure. Everyone that goes to a strip club is a degenerate from Animal House and everyone is hammered. It’s basically Bacchanalia.This is such a strange, sad hill to die on.
The scrutiny is for being in an indoor establishment, presumably for hours, partying. Drinking, eating, laughing, shouting, etc, probably sans masks (or worn improperly or not enough). If they did that in a Carl's Jr, and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19, they sure as shit would get the same level of scrutiny. Don't know that I've ever seen such partying take place in a Carl's Jr, or any other fast food establishment. At least not by people over the age of 8.
Holy fuck. NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING OF THE KIND.Lol ok, I’m dying on the hill. Sure. Everyone that goes to a strip club is a degenerate from Animal House and everyone is hammered. It’s basically Bacchanalia.
I think this is probably right. All he can really do at this point is make a strong threat.The takewaway for me is that Manfred has some wiggle room but wanted/needed to send as strong message as possible to the players/management/owners that they've got to get things under control. If telling networks to prepare for other programming doesn't get everyone's attention, nothing will.
It was a rather sternly worded tweetI think this is probably right. All he can really do at this point is make a strong threat.
Do you punish teams found to have broken protocol which did not result in an outbreak? Or is outcome a deciding factor? It’s not a gotcha question. I want to understand your proposal.Honestly since it seems like both teams with outbreaks are ones that straight up broke from protocol, just kick them out of the league and keep going. Cardinals finish out the rest of the season with losses. Marlins too.
Yeah. The threat isn't worth anything unless he knows there is still a buffer and some time left for him to play with.I think this is probably right. All he can really do at this point is make a strong threat.
Your defensiveness on this subject is bizarre.Lol ok, I’m dying on the hill. Sure. Everyone that goes to a strip club is a degenerate from Animal House and everyone is hammered. It’s basically Bacchanalia.
I mean, you’d rather have the place clean than not, but my understanding is that surface transmission is rare and “deep cleaning” is more for theater than anything. The bigger issue is probably staff, not sure how many people work in the average MLB visitors clubhouse, but they should all test/quarantine.Are they not thoroughly disinfecting clubhouses after away teams go through? That should be standard operating procedure but considering how crappy the planning was is that not happening?
Not lecturing or defensive - I could give a shit, as noted I haven’t been in one in a decade - pointing out a simple hypocrisy. You can take it as you will. Meanwhile can we get a list of generalizations and stereotypes that are allowed or not? We’re supposed to be woke right?Your defensiveness on this subject is bizarre.
The vast majority of folks here are not making moral judgements about where players go. So how about we discuss the topic at hand and not have you lecture us on strip clubs?
This is what “I’ve Been Everywhere” would’ve sounded like if Johnny Cash had been a perv.Lol, don’t assume you know where I’ve been champ. I’ve been in strip clubs in:
Salisbury mass
Saugus
Boston (proper)
NYC
NJ burbs
Philly
DC
VA burbs
Charkotte
Myrtle
Charleston
Atlanta
Miami
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
St Louis (not east)
Denver
Seattle
Vegas
And multiple cities in California. LA, SD, SF, Sacramento.
Oh, I flew a prop plane from Seattle to Spokane and we went to one.
Of those I’d put Miami and Myrtle as the only places I could catch a virus and it’s cause I got a lap dance. Maybe I should have paid more.
Slut shame? This is bizarre and ridiculous.Not lecturing or defensive - I could give a shit, as noted I haven’t been in one in a decade - pointing out a simple hypocrisy. You can take it as you will. Meanwhile can we get a list of generalizations and stereotypes that are allowed or not? We’re supposed to be woke right?
You or anyone else can PM me if they have issue. I’m fucking done so don’t worry, you guys slut shame away.
There’s international spots, but that could be worked inThis is what “I’ve Been Everywhere” would’ve sounded like if Johnny Cash had been a perv.
Is this widely known? Link?E-Rod is done for the season, so now we have a player officially missing the season directly because of COVID. Will that at all sway the decision making going forward? Hopefully it does for the players and their behaviors, if the threat of ending the season isn't enough.
I'm kind of confused by that attitude
I wasn't always sure how to properly weigh the incompetence of MLB when considering the possibility of the season shutting down prematurely. Would it make it more likely they shut everything down, because they clearly have no idea what they're doing and have no plan besides, "we'll make it up as we go?" Or would it be less likely, because the plan (if you can call it that) is really just to plunge headfirst into the abyss and not look back?
Ultimately Manfred is not the guy who decides whether or not the season halts or continues. In this scenario he's a facilitator and a messenger.
He sure isn’t. I’d like to say I’m surprised by the greed and tone-deafness, but I am most assuredly not.Is the Commissioner the one risking his future health? If not, what does his personal philosophy have to do with endangering others? (Not that the player's union isn't totally complicit in this.)
Your 100% spot on, but that wasn't the question JBJ was asked. He was asked about MLB shutting the season down.I'm kind of confused by that attitude
Like - first of all, can't he still opt-out? If you don't feel it's safe, opt out. I have much more sympathy for the 'essential' workers who will actually be terminated if they refuse to work (a lot of chatter in the academic faculty twitter-verse today about an ASU professor that had to keep teaching in-person classes through April, and passed away yesterday after a 3 month battle with covid)
But moreover - at some point the players have to take leadership in policing this, not MLB. MLB can have the best testing possible, but if multiple players are going out as a group wherever, getting outbreaks is a 'when' not 'if' question; the testing just lets you identify them earlier.
MLB probably should have more oversight because it's true that if the Dodgers are doing things properly but the Marlins aren't, eventually it'll spread to other teams... but MLB players aren't high schoolers, the reason they have a union is to protect the players, the union should be ballistic about what the Marlins (and reportedly Cardinals) did
Multiple Sox reporters on Twitter saying so. Posted in the Sox forum as well...Is this widely known? Link?
I'm sure I said this somewhere in this thread — but there's no way I'm looking back over the past few pages — if this were a Trout or a Harper or a Betts this happened to (someone with real name recognition), the national view of it would garner far more debateMultiple Sox reporters on Twitter saying so. Posted in the Sox forum as well...
View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1289663818197422080
Not just that. Missing the season because of a heart condition caused by COVID19. Wonder if it might at least cause more opt outs.E-Rod is done for the season, so now we have a player officially missing the season directly because of COVID. Will that at all sway the decision making going forward? Hopefully it does for the players and their behaviors, if the threat of ending the season isn't enough.
You would think that it should cause at least a few. On the flip side some will surely see this as a one off.Not just that. Missing the season because of a heart condition caused by COVID19. Wonder if it might at least cause more opt outs.
It might be hard to distinguish players opting out due to E-Rod's situation versus reaction to the Marlins & Cardinals situation. Lorenzo Cain opting out today, for example, is most likely due the Cardinals situation hitting home for he and his Brewers teammates (who sit idle this weekend thanks to the Cards). But that kind of decision could have been prompted by E-Rod as well.You would think that it should cause at least a few. On the flip side some will surely see this as a one off.
Kenley Jansen comes to mind as one who might opt out due to Rodriquez's situation.It might be hard to distinguish players opting out due to E-Rod's situation versus reaction to the Marlins & Cardinals situation. Lorenzo Cain opting out today, for example, is most likely due the Cardinals situation hitting home for he and his Brewers teammates (who sit idle this weekend thanks to the Cards). But that kind of decision could have been prompted by E-Rod as well.
It’s called contact tracing you dolt.
What the hell is he trying to say?View: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1289714415525220352
It’s called contact tracing you dolt.