Per Danny Ainge on the Sports Hub, C's tried to sign McGee to a contract through next year. Alas, it doesn't come to pass.
C's Unable To Sign JaVale McGee (That's SO JaVale!)
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the next domino to fall...for IT now McGee...this team will rock next season...time to package Sully for another piece
Another incremental improvement. That's So JaVale gives us some length in our big rotation we are so desperately missing. Watching Gobert against us last night made this even more apparent.
If nothing else we've got Tommy's blurbs to look forward to hearing.
If nothing else we've got Tommy's blurbs to look forward to hearing.
In Brad Stevens I trust...Brian Shaw turned McGee from an average player to below replacement level playerHomeRunBaker said:
Stevens and Shaw were both hired 2 seasons ago, and only one is currently an NBA coach
McGee has a terrible basketball IQ but has the length and athleticism to be a defensive force and he's only 27.
Not to rosterbate too hard but The Pitch to Kevin Love this offseason could be "Come here and be the first option, not the third, PLUS you've never played alongside a C with as much defensive upside as JaVale." A lineup with Smart, Bradley and a coached-up McGee could go a long way to hiding Love's defensive deficiencies.
Then, sign Pierce for the swan song, run out Smart, Bradley, Pierce, Love, and McGee with IT as the 6th man. That's a contending team in the East.
/endfantasy
Not to rosterbate too hard but The Pitch to Kevin Love this offseason could be "Come here and be the first option, not the third, PLUS you've never played alongside a C with as much defensive upside as JaVale." A lineup with Smart, Bradley and a coached-up McGee could go a long way to hiding Love's defensive deficiencies.
Then, sign Pierce for the swan song, run out Smart, Bradley, Pierce, Love, and McGee with IT as the 6th man. That's a contending team in the East.
/endfantasy
Think Pierce signed a 2-year deal with the Wiz...would love to see a KG to Minn type of trade...funny if the trade is Crash Wallace for PierceWilco's Last Fan said:
I'm not sure McGee was ever average, or close to it.the1andonly3003 said:
I don't mind this really, as I'm skeptical of the talent the Celtics have to develop at the C position anyway. Zeller is destined to be a 7th man somewhere and Olynyk can't stay on the court due to foul trouble even when healthy. McGee is awful, but he's not blocking anyone.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
Better question is why McGee is choosing the C's. I believe he's still due to earn $12M next season, and apparently there were a long list of teams that wanted to add him for bench depth this year, so it seems interesting that he would pick the Cs.
I actually really like this move. McGee should be a defensive center who can protect the rim and only score on put backs and lobs. His basketball IQ, as others have noted, is horrible, so give him a dumbed down offensive playbook and have him focus on D and his athleticism alone can markedly improve this team. I imagine its not a huge contract when the numbers come out, so low risk / high reward.
Koufax said:
The Sixers needed his salary to make the the salary floor this year, so that they could avoid paying bonuses to their existing players (hey, what better way to endear yourself to your employees, amirite?). Plus as an added bonus when they immediately punt next season for a high draft pick they have that salary on the books to get them to the floor.
Well that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I'm not doubting your explanation, I'm commenting on the management decision. Why pay a guy who's going to play for another team when you could give the money to your own players? If your explanation is correct, the Philly management IQ is far lower than the player's basketball IQ.nighthob said:
My understanding is that he is not a good defensive player, that he gets his blocks by completely selling out on the other aspects of defense.beezer said:
Wilco's Last Fan said:
You really think Kevin Love is going to leave LeBron and Kyrie, or pass up going to LA, so he can come here and play with defensive juggernaut JaVale McGee?? That's hilarious. If he comes to Boston, which I'd put at about a 2% chance of happening, it ain't gunna be because of JaVale McGee.
I'll speculate as to why his agent choose Boston.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
- Contenders were only committing to a rental through end of season as an emergency big, not as a rotation player.
- Contenders were only offering minimum for this year while the Celtics could guarantee up to $2m for next season as well.
- Agent sees an opportunity for JaVale to get regular minutes not only this year but also next season leading into him being a FA next summer.
As bizarre a signing as it seems there are cases to be made for each side to agree. How well it works out will depend largely on JaVale's health and conditioning/commitment. He's been hurt for two years but prior to that was a double-digit scorer and among the best rim protectors in the league along with being a weekly highly clip.....both positive and negative.
I'm not sure he's as bad as he sounds.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2015/02/20/javale-mcgee-doesnt-deserve-his-bad-reputation/
He sounds like a player who plays reasonably well within his limits, but when he makes mistakes, he makes WHOPPERS.
http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2015/02/20/javale-mcgee-doesnt-deserve-his-bad-reputation/
He sounds like a player who plays reasonably well within his limits, but when he makes mistakes, he makes WHOPPERS.
Not principally because of McGee, no- that would be stupid. But from an outside perspective Love hasn't seemed happy this far on a team where he doesn't get to be Batman OR Robin. It's still early of course, but he hasn't slipped into the Bosh role as gracefully as Bosh did.ElcaballitoMVP said:
Boston would offer him the opportunity to be an unquestioned star, while surrounding him with defensive-minded players who can mask his deficiencies without diminishing his strengths. That's really all I'm saying.
I think you're underestimating how frequent his mistakes are, and how bad he is at things like help defense, running screens on offense, and just about anything else that doesn't show up in a traditional box score (more advanced box score metrics recognize him as one of the worst players in the league).DavidTai said:
RPM, and similar adjusted plus/minus metrics rate him as one of the worst players in the league. My version of RPM rates him 396th out 463 player, about equally bad offensively and defensively.
I saw him while he was with the Wizards, and he seemed so promising. What did the advanced metrics say about that year?
One thing about him. He had one really good year. in 2012-13.
Probably not a coincidence it was the only year he played for a competent NBA coach.
I don't think he'll ever hit his ceiling, but if Stevens commits to using him correctly, and even more importantly enforcing discipline (too often he coasts and bad coaches don't call him out and bench him because of it so he doesn't change it) he could end up being a good rotation big who brings the rim protection we need.
Probably not a coincidence it was the only year he played for a competent NBA coach.
I don't think he'll ever hit his ceiling, but if Stevens commits to using him correctly, and even more importantly enforcing discipline (too often he coasts and bad coaches don't call him out and bench him because of it so he doesn't change it) he could end up being a good rotation big who brings the rim protection we need.
Koufax said:
The Sixers also received a first round pick in the deal. That's all they wanted. They traded money they would have had to pay anyway for a first round pick. That's a smart deal. You can't fault the Sixers for dumping him because he's the last person they needed giving lessons to Noel and Embiid on how to be a professional.
Good luck with your head case.
One thing I will say for this signing, Boston games just became must-see (to believe) theatre...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5RdCiKL290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3LTKx2OaA
The best part of the Shaqtin a Fool clips is that he was mostly playing for Denver with his "real NBA coach". And the looks of resignation on Karl's face every time That's So JaVale did something mind-numbingly stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5RdCiKL290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3LTKx2OaA
The best part of the Shaqtin a Fool clips is that he was mostly playing for Denver with his "real NBA coach". And the looks of resignation on Karl's face every time That's So JaVale did something mind-numbingly stupid.
Remagellan said:
Yeah, this can't be stressed enough, the Sixers have impressionable bigs, one of whom already has a professionalism problem. You don't want TSJ within three parsecs of that team. Boston does have Marcus Smart, but he might kill McGee before TSJ finishes his run here.
Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop 50s50 seconds ago
JaVale McGee will NOT be coming to the Celtics. The sides couldn't reach agreement on a contract.
JaVale McGee will NOT be coming to the Celtics. The sides couldn't reach agreement on a contract.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 29s29 seconds ago
JaVale McGee and Boston couldn't agree on option for next season, league source tells Yahoo. Celtics wanted team option; McGee player option
JaVale McGee and Boston couldn't agree on option for next season, league source tells Yahoo. Celtics wanted team option; McGee player option
Does anyone else find it hilarious that a player that just got waived is demanding a player option? Or does this happen all the time and I haven't noticed?
I love him but I am glad he isn't a Celtic. Not a great fit in any way shape or form. Him coming to Boston would really have been So JaVale.
Well if you are a bad team trying to sign him when good teams have expressed interest and he gets paid the same either way then yeah he has the leverage to try and get a player option for next year.cardiacs said:
I'm sure that JaVale or his agent believe this, but if you are a knucklehead that has barely played in the past 2 seasons and want to re-establish your value to the league so you can get a good contract later... Well, the team that will give you playing time has the leverage.Cellar-Door said:
He has guaranteed money this year and next. If he signs with another team, the sixers have to cover the difference between his new salary and 12 million. If he signs with a player option for next year and then opts out, he may be opting out of the guaranteed money as well (I'm not 100% sure of this). This means that to opt out, you have to be so sure that you will impress the league with your month and a half of play that someone will give you more then 12 million and you will be a free agent looking for that contract the year before the salary cap goes up.
One is rarely a knucklehead by yourself at this level, you are usually aided and enabled by other knuckleheads. In this case, I think it's his agent.
He gets the money from Philly either way, it's guaranteed. He wants a player option so he can test the market on a long term deal if he has a big turnaround. Given his injury history he'd like to get a long term deal sooner rather than later,and he might think that a team will give him a structured deal with lower first year salary for 2015-16 when he'll get cash on top from Philly, and backload the deal for when the cap goes up. Costs a team less but gets him more money.Smokey Joe said:
Yes you are correct. Javales agent is looking to get the best of both worlds.....playing time the rest of the seasons AND the player option to hit the market this summer. Accepting anything less is bailing out since he's guaranteed his money this year and next regardless. The agent is correctly shooting for the fences with nothing to lose.Cellar-Door said:
I tend to look at this way. He has the money for next year and he desperately needs to reestablish his value. In all likelyhood he is not ready to play and needs to play his way into shape, so his chance of impressing anyone this year is slim. Passing up a good situation where he will get competent training and coaching plus an opportunity to play for then unlikely chance that he could pick up some more money next year is poor client management to my eyes.HomeRunBaker said:
OTOH, he could have some sweet deal in his back pocket. It will be interesting to see what happens to him for the rest of this year and next.
Yes but as you say he IS already getting paid next season......so why lock himself into being paid minimally if he performs well the remainder of this year? There is zero upside opportunity with this strategy. The goal is to earn additional monies next season.....which cannot occur this way.
Even he is doesn't sign with anyone the remainder of the year (unlikely) it would place him in the same situation this offseason as your option. Locking in next year at minimal salary is the worst option right now for Javale.
Even he is doesn't sign with anyone the remainder of the year (unlikely) it would place him in the same situation this offseason as your option. Locking in next year at minimal salary is the worst option right now for Javale.
nighthob said:
I think in this case McGee is a flyer, really.
Just a general reminder on metrics that they are highly context-dependent (see Rudy Gay) and backwards-looking so guys can evolve pretty quickly into different players than the numbers might suggest (DeAndre Jordan comes to mind). What a guy is in one situation today is an important input into projecting him, but not 'the answer'