In the craziness yesterday I thought I heard/read that. I'm probably wrong.How did the Celtics pick up a $5 million trade exception? The Celtics sent out $6.5 million in the Theis/Green trade but brought $4.4 million back in.
I saw speculation they could have taken Kornet into Poirier's TPE, matched Wagner's salary with Green's, then Theis's full $5 million becomes a TPE.In the craziness yesterday I thought I heard/read that. I'm probably wrong.
Is it possible that they took the $4.4MM into the Kanter TPE?
To be fair HomeRunBaker wasn't saying that. He was not on the "Two big lineup is worse than Hitler" bandwagon. Fournier is not much of a rebounder, so HRB's fear Grant, Semi may take some of Theis' minutes are valid. Him mentioning Tako or one of the other bigs playing is valid as well. TT is out the next two games TL has not shown himself to be a 30 minute guy (I imagine that's the hope though) so Tako or somebody else with have to play. Overall I like the move since I thought wing was the weakness, but it was not without risk.Wait, I'm confused.
Havent people been saying one of TT/DT/TL needed to go? And that we all wanted to see more minutes go to Timelord? Doesnt this move free up cap and minutes for TL?
The rebounding concerns are valid, I just don't think Brad will conclude that Semi or Grant are the answer to them. And I agree that depth at the big spot is a concern, which is why there are rumors that Ainge is trying to upgrade the Kornet roster spot with a big who can play. But the "someone else" who is going to play minutes with Thompson out is Moe Wagner, a perfectly fine option at the five with some mild semblance of untapped upside. Not Tacko Fall.To be fair HomeRunBaker wasn't saying that. He was not on the "Two big lineup is worse than Hitler" bandwagon. Fournier is not much of a rebounder, so HRB's fear Grant, Semi may take some of Theis' minutes are valid. Him mentioning Tako or one of the other bigs playing is valid as well. TT is out the next two games TL has not shown himself to be a 30 minute guy (I imagine that's the hope though) so Tako or somebody else with have to play. Overall I like the move since I thought wing was the weakness, but it was not without risk.
As for Chicago I expect Theis will play. A skilled big like Vucevic allows flexibility and DT can also catch the balls in the same spot as NV, run the same sets. I will not bet against Herr Hoops fighting his way to minutes. Subconsciously the refs may even give him more calls by playing with an established euro.
As long as it's everyone, I'd subscribe.He’s salty because he was sure the Celtics internal evaluation of TL was shaky and Brad was “coachspeaking”. Then that turned out to be very obviously wrong instantly and things got weird.
HRB is great whenever he’s not wrong, but when he is, things quickly devolve into performance art.
To be fair, I should just write an encyclopedia of each poster’s mannerisms sometime. I think I could be suitably negative towards everyone.
good postThe rebounding concerns are valid, I just don't think Brad will conclude that Semi or Grant are the answer to them. And I agree that depth at the big spot is a concern, which is why there are rumors that Ainge is trying to upgrade the Kornet roster spot with a big who can play. But the "someone else" who is going to play minutes with Thompson out is Moe Wagner, a perfectly fine option at the five with some mild semblance of untapped upside. Not Tacko Fall.
We do get their bird rights, so if they see something they like, they can probably bring one of them (Wagner likely, I assume Kornet is getting cut) back cheap.Looks like they are both FA after this season. I thought maybe they had some potential as developmental bigs. So, unfortunately, looks like it was only salary dump.
Kornet is already 25 years old, soon to be 26. He's no more a developmental big than Tacko Fall. Kornet is not much better than Tacko Fall. I guess he's gone, may not even finish the season here.Looks like they are both FA after this season. I thought maybe they had some potential as developmental bigs. So, unfortunately, looks like it was only salary dump.
Agree with Cellar-Door. Washington declined Wagner's option for next season, so he is a FA, but I think that gives an indication that he's not going to be commanding much money in free agency. If they like him as a developmental prospect, they can give him a fairly small contract and retain him.Looks like they are both FA after this season. I thought maybe they had some potential as developmental bigs. So, unfortunately, looks like it was only salary dump.
I just don't like him. Didn't mind Olynyk. Wagner is every loose cannon, mouthpiece wearing, "all knees and elbows" idiot that I ever played against. He's that infuriating old guy at the Y, except he's not old. I pray that he's stapled to the bench until he quietly leaves in the offseason.Wagner's probably nothing special but if he does turn into a decent 3 point shooter with volume, he'd be a great fit next to TL as the back up C once TT is gone.
I mentioned his meh measurements before and he doesn't look good on D, but some of the metrics like him. It's funny, he basically is Kelly Olynyk.
With a 15+2 roster, teams will eventually start having specialized players like Tacko just for inbound passes and what not.I actually WANT Tacko to play more. We only some him once in meaningful action, during the game earlier this season against Washington when all of their bigs were out and he was perfectly fine playing 20 minutes. What do we have to lose? If he is bad in 3-5 minute stretches you can pull him out. I thought it would have been a good move to play him in the Memphis game when they were annihilating the Celtics with points in the paint.
Those players are fine when they are on your team.I just don't like him. Didn't mind Olynyk. Wagner is every loose cannon, mouthpiece wearing, "all knees and elbows" idiot that I ever played against. He's that infuriating old guy at the Y, except he's not old. I pray that he's stapled to the bench until he quietly leaves in the offseason.
Yeah I suppose, since we don't have practice anymore.Those players are fine when they are on your team.
Too soon.With a 15+2 roster, teams will eventually start having specialized players like Tacko just for inbound passes and what not.
Right......but I’m in here reading how Fournier is “almost an All-Star.” I sure hope this isn’t the expectation.He’s salty because he was sure the Celtics internal evaluation of TL was shaky and Brad was “coachspeaking”. Then that turned out to be very obviously wrong instantly and things got weird.
HRB is great whenever he’s not wrong, but when he is, things quickly devolve into performance art.
To be fair, I should just write an encyclopedia of each poster’s mannerisms sometime. I think I could be suitably negative towards everyone.
Yeah, Fournier isn’t an all-star. He’s the capable shooting 2/3 vet the team was missing. The Celtics still need a big talent upgrade, I just didn’t see it there at the deadline (it’s not Gordon imo).Right......but I’m in here reading how Fournier is “almost an All-Star.” I sure hope this isn’t the expectation.
As I’ve said before I call it like I see it. I’ve even given Nesmith some credit for working to earn minutes earlier in the year until the reality set in. Same with TL. I’m right on things and I’m wrong on things (not sure what internal info on TL is about) but I’m not going to sugarcoat my evaluation.
I think one poster said that. I would guess most folks see Fournier as the Celtics attempt to acquire a Joe Harris type to fit with Jaylen and Jayson. He can likely excel in that type of role. And that is a solid move even though he is on an expiring contract, it can become a very good move if they can retain him for a reasonable salary. There is no reason to expect that any team with space would give their money to Fournier on a multi-year deal and the Celtics can give him more money than anyone else, so they have a clear pathway to retain him. This is why people like the move, not because they think he's an All Star.Right......but I’m in here reading how Fournier is “almost an All-Star.” I sure hope this isn’t the expectation.
As I said, I liked the move as a complimentary move to a bigger get. Instead we replaced Theis with Wagner (who can’t play) and Kornet who I would be shocked if he could either. I’m concerned at the teams response to this not how it looks on paper.I think one poster said that. I would guess most folks see Fournier as the Celtics attempt to acquire a Joe Harris type to fit with Jaylen and Jayson. He can likely excel in that type of role. And that is a solid move even though he is on an expiring contract, it can become a very good move if they can retain him for a reasonable salary. There is no reason to expect that any team with space would give their money to Fournier on a multi-year deal and the Celtics can give him more money than anyone else, so they have a clear pathway to retain him. This is why people like the move, not because they think he's an All Star.
I'm not super optimistic on Wagner and forced to pick an outcome for him it's end of bench/out of the league in a few years.Wagner's probably nothing special but if he does turn into a decent 3 point shooter with volume, he'd be a great fit next to TL as the back up C once TT is gone.
I mentioned his meh measurements before and he doesn't look good on D, but some of the metrics like him. It's funny, he basically is Kelly Olynyk.
Wagner can't play? He put up perfectly respectable numbers this year off the bench in WAS, he's fine as a 3rd C if they go that way, it's a very limited minutes role.As I said, I liked the move as a complimentary move to a bigger get. Instead we replaced Theis with Wagner (who can’t play) and Kornet who I would be shocked if he could either. I’m concerned at the teams response to this not how it looks on paper.
Fantastic, start him against Embid.I just don't like him. Didn't mind Olynyk. Wagner is every loose cannon, mouthpiece wearing, "all knees and elbows" idiot that I ever played against. He's that infuriating old guy at the Y, except he's not old. I pray that he's stapled to the bench until he quietly leaves in the offseason.
It's disingenuous to frame this as the Celtics "replacing" Theis with Wagner. Those two players were traded for each other, but they're not slotting Wagner in to start like Theis often was. They, along with many posters here, think Rob Williams is ready to play 25-30 minutes a game and that Tristan Thompson can handle the backup minutes. It's fine to disagree with that logic, or to say that it would be better to have Williams and Theis than Williams and Thompson (I agree), but let's not throw strawmen out there to criticize good moves. Of those 48 minutes at center each night, the vast majority will be taken up by Williams and Thompson. Wagner and Kornet are not likely to play significant minutes for them unless TL or Thompson is out for an extended period, and it's likely Kornet isn't even with the team after this season.As I said, I liked the move as a complimentary move to a bigger get. Instead we replaced Theis with Wagner (who can’t play) and Kornet who I would be shocked if he could either. I’m concerned at the teams response to this not how it looks on paper.
They're replacing Theis with Fournier in terms of minutes.It's disingenuous to frame this as the Celtics "replacing" Theis with Wagner. Those two players were traded for each other, but they're not slotting Wagner in to start like Theis often was. They, along with many posters here, think Rob Williams is ready to play 25-30 minutes a game and that Tristan Thompson can handle the backup minutes. Or, maybe they start Tristan and keep Rob coming off the bench, whatever. Of those 48 minutes at center each night, the vast majority will be taken up by those two guys. Either way, Wagner and Kornet are not likely to play significant minutes for them unless TL or Thompson is out for an extended period, and either or both may not even be with the team next season.
Exactly, and it's better to reset the tax now, especially with a guy who was almost certainly leaving in FA. (Unless you think that keeping Theis or acquiring Aaron Gordon makes them title contenders this year).They're replacing Theis with Fournier in terms of minutes.
Will McDonough once said exactly that about ML Carr who became that kind of player for the Cs over time (IIRC he was a decent basketball player for a while, then wasn't).Those players are fine when they are on your team.
His effectiveness was a direct correlation to the days when his towel was in the wash.Will McDonough once said exactly that about ML Carr who became that kind of player for the Cs over time (IIRC he was a decent basketball player for a while, then wasn't).
Watch your mouthHis effectiveness was a direct correlation to the days when his towel was in the wash.
Kids got a set of balls thinking he can wear Sherm Douglas’s numberWagner surprised me a little bit tonight, he looks like he has some potential. Not much showed up in the box score other than the rebounds but he looked very comfortable.
SMHI like how people talk about how basketball is unwatchable today because the last 40 seconds of the game is 8 minutes.
And he bled green... but my comment was still funny!!!Watch your mouth
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Yes, yes and yes. Great post. I was at that game. I moved to SoCal after 30 yrs in Boston. Probably one of a couple dozen Cs fans there and I really felt I was in danger. Those were the days.SMH
It was the end of an epic overtime between maybe the two best teams ever. There are 4 sets of FTS, and some timeouts. It's kinda big game so coahes are arguing wit the refs and pl;ayers are talking shit to each other, after not too recently flattening each other. Bird takes the ball out after a made FT, and inboounds it quick trusting DJ to shoot the FT.
The complaints about today's is the teams all play the same style, much more than pace of play. It is ballscreen, three pointer (most of which are missed) or dunk, lather rinse repeat. Defensive boards are so rarely contested Steven Adams can gift Westbrook 3 rebounds a game so he can get his triple double. The game today is make 3 pointers and win, or miss and lose. When your team makes 3s, like tonight they seem awesome, but when they miss, and it will happen soon they suck. The league has to figure something out because games are becoming too similar. Young people are always defensive when they game gets out of wack, thinking we want to go back. Tell me two teams today that are as different today as those two teams? One team was run, run,run, the other pounded it inside and hit outside shots.
If you can't enjoy that clip you should just quit, especially if you are actually a Celtics fan. Max makes the choke sign, to Worthy, ML talks shit to Magic and Worthy, and they tell him he never plays and to STFU, then after missing FTS Worthy throws it to ML. DJ, a guard gets an O rebound with a chance to win the game rather than scurrying back to prevent the corner three. Did it take too long when Mo threw over to first three times before Roberts stole second? At the end of this game the world was wondering if maybe Magic Johnson was a choker, and Magic admits so was he. This is the end of one of the greatest games ever in greatest series ever. Shea Serrano no Celtic fan, but a hoops historian lists the game 7 of this series as the most important basketball game ever. If not for this series, and not for the two principals this little thing called the NBA may be competing with the NHL for broadcast rights on the ESPN6 or the Outdoor Network.
Now say your prayers and ask forgiveness of the basketball gods for daring to disparage the game and the series that saved the fucking league.
I think once the pandemic is over I want to have drinks with this post. This post so gets it.SMH
It was the end of an epic overtime between maybe the two best teams ever. There are 4 sets of FTS, and some timeouts. It's kinda big game so coahes are arguing wit the refs and pl;ayers are talking shit to each other, after not too recently flattening each other. Bird takes the ball out after a made FT, and inboounds it quick trusting DJ to shoot the FT.
The complaints about today's is the teams all play the same style, much more than pace of play. It is ballscreen, three pointer (most of which are missed) or dunk, lather rinse repeat. Defensive boards are so rarely contested Steven Adams can gift Westbrook 3 rebounds a game so he can get his triple double. The game today is make 3 pointers and win, or miss and lose. When your team makes 3s, like tonight they seem awesome, but when they miss, and it will happen soon they suck. The league has to figure something out because games are becoming too similar. Young people are always defensive when they game gets out of wack, thinking we want to go back. Tell me two teams today that are as different today as those two teams? One team was run, run,run, the other pounded it inside and hit outside shots.
If you can't enjoy that clip you should just quit, especially if you are actually a Celtics fan. Max makes the choke sign, to Worthy, ML talks shit to Magic and Worthy, and they tell him he never plays and to STFU, then after missing FTS Worthy throws it to ML. DJ, a guard gets an O rebound with a chance to win the game rather than scurrying back to prevent the corner three. Did it take too long when Mo threw over to first three times before Roberts stole second? At the end of this game the world was wondering if maybe Magic Johnson was a choker, and Magic admits so was he. This is the end of one of the greatest games ever in greatest series ever. Shea Serrano no Celtic fan, but a hoops historian lists the game 7 of this series as the most important basketball game ever. If not for this series, and not for the two principals this little thing called the NBA may be competing with the NHL for broadcast rights on the ESPN6 or the Outdoor Network.
Now say your prayers and ask forgiveness of the basketball gods for daring to disparage the game and the series that saved the fucking league.
SMH
It was the end of an epic overtime between maybe the two best teams ever. There are 4 sets of FTS, and some timeouts. It's kinda big game so coahes are arguing wit the refs and pl;ayers are talking shit to each other, after not too recently flattening each other. Bird takes the ball out after a made FT, and inboounds it quick trusting DJ to shoot the FT.
The complaints about today's is the teams all play the same style, much more than pace of play. It is ballscreen, three pointer (most of which are missed) or dunk, lather rinse repeat. Defensive boards are so rarely contested Steven Adams can gift Westbrook 3 rebounds a game so he can get his triple double. The game today is make 3 pointers and win, or miss and lose. When your team makes 3s, like tonight they seem awesome, but when they miss, and it will happen soon they suck. The league has to figure something out because games are becoming too similar. Young people are always defensive when they game gets out of wack, thinking we want to go back. Tell me two teams today that are as different today as those two teams? One team was run, run,run, the other pounded it inside and hit outside shots.
If you can't enjoy that clip you should just quit, especially if you are actually a Celtics fan. Max makes the choke sign, to Worthy, ML talks shit to Magic and Worthy, and they tell him he never plays and to STFU, then after missing FTS Worthy throws it to ML. DJ, a guard gets an O rebound with a chance to win the game rather than scurrying back to prevent the corner three. Did it take too long when Mo threw over to first three times before Roberts stole second? At the end of this game the world was wondering if maybe Magic Johnson was a choker, and Magic admits so was he. This is the end of one of the greatest games ever in greatest series ever. Shea Serrano no Celtic fan, but a hoops historian lists the game 7 of this series as the most important basketball game ever. If not for this series, and not for the two principals this little thing called the NBA may be competing with the NHL for broadcast rights on the ESPN6 or the Outdoor Network.
Now say your prayers and ask forgiveness of the basketball gods for daring to disparage the game and the series that saved the fucking league.
Agreed. It always will. And as Reggie noted too, same thing happens in baseball and likely always will too.I wasn't trying to imply it was boring. Just that it still took forever to finish the last minute or 2 of games. It's nothing that will ever be fixed.
The '84 Finals was awesome, but it may not have been the best series of the decade. IMO the '81 ECF between Celts and 76ers, may have been the greatest post-season series ever. The court littered with HoFers, a 7-game war, between two teams that didn't like each other, with 5 of the 7 games decided by 2 points or less. It was an amazing series.The game has surely changed a lot, and taste can account for whether you like it better now or then.
Reggie is right that the 84 series was the fucking best though. Two all-time elite teams at their peaks. Three top-10 all timers. So hi stress. Couldn't watch this series live now without a sedative.
The Ringer had a good article on Netflix's F1 Racing series and there's a quote in it that so much applies to basketball.The game has surely changed a lot, and taste can account for whether you like it better now or then.
Reggie is right that the 84 series was the fucking best though. Two all-time elite teams at their peaks. Three top-10 all timers. So hi stress. Couldn't watch this series live now without a sedative.