Dave Dameshek Says Brad Stevens is leaving for IU Basketball Job?

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My buddy is a neighbor/buddy of Brad’s in Wellesley and their kids have been in the same classes and they have been to his house many times. While he said he has heard nothing and that Brad is the “king of omerta”, they have discussed many times how much Brad HATED recruiting.

My buddy does not think he is going anywhere.
 

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Brad's just playing hard to get and negotiating for a sweeter deal.
Brad just said he's not considering it - which is because he's already taken the job.

He's never said he's not taking the job.

Start the new coach search!

Just having a little fun as the mild mannered Brad ponders his future.
Part of me would love to see him throw a nutty and a chair tonight and see if anyone notices.
If I'm Brad, I'm seriously considering taking my pre-game interview in a red sweater. Or maybe the post-game one. You know, just to rile up a few million people.
 

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Brad Stevens said that he's not considering the Indiana Hoosiers job and "I said it the other day. I'm saying it today. I don't know if I'll have to say it again on Monday, but I'm not considering it."
Now I’m just a lil’ ole country lawyer, but I’d like to point out to this here court that Mr. Brad said NUTTIN’ about Saturday or Sunday.
 

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Can Wyc somehow persuade Brad to take the IU job? Can he persuade the IU chancellor to find a role for Ainge to go with him?
 

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My buddy is a neighbor/buddy of Brad’s in Wellesley and their kids have been in the same classes and they have been to his house many times. While he said he has heard nothing and that Brad is the “king of omerta”, they have discussed many times how much Brad HATED recruiting.

My buddy does not think he is going anywhere.
Does he live in Danny’s guest house? We used to cruise by Danny’s house when I was at Babson. We actually stopped once when Bruce Hurst was there loading his kid’s stuff into the car. Not our proudest moment but we were stupid college kids.

Since it appears we’re on a Stevens watch I will say his lake house hasn’t been put on the market yet.
 

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Been out all day. Totally agree. This would be very depressing to me. Will read the rest of the thread now hoping that by the end, my worst fears are just that and he is still firmly entrenched as the Celtics coach.
 

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They can take 75% of the team with them.
Half of them may not beat the recruits coming in. I’m ready for a complete overhaul sans Tatum, Jaylen and Smart. Keep TL and PP around too. Everyone else and the coach gone. Wouldn’t be opposed to the GM also. Winds of change.
 

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I've had too much to drink, but TL is the only one I care to watch now. Theis is OK. I'm curious about Aaron Nesmith and Romeo Langford. You can have the rest. Blow it up.
 

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Half of them may not beat the recruits coming in. I’m ready for a complete overhaul sans Tatum, Jaylen and Smart. Keep TL and PP around too. Everyone else and the coach gone. Wouldn’t be opposed to the GM also. Winds of change.
I don't think you will see changes at coach and GM quickly. One bad 40 game stretch is not going to make Wyc fire these guys. If I were Wyc, I would hold their feet to the fire and make it known that I'm not happy with what is going on and give them the latitude to fix it. If it does not get fixed(i.e. personnel changes), then go for it and make the changes.
 

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Half of them may not beat the recruits coming in. I’m ready for a complete overhaul sans Tatum, Jaylen and Smart. Keep TL and PP around too. Everyone else and the coach gone. Wouldn’t be opposed to the GM also. Winds of change.
Not really a complete overhaul if Tatum, Jaylen, Smart are still around. One of the core issues of this team beyond the weak bench is that these 3 guys aren’t D’ing up like they should. That is a problem I really don’t know how to fix.
 

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I don't think you will see changes at coach and GM quickly. One bad 40 game stretch is not going to make Wyc fire these guys. If I were Wyc, I would hold their feet to the fire and make it known that I'm not happy with what is going on and give them the latitude to fix it. If it does not get fixed(i.e. personnel changes), then go for it and make the changes.
How do we know this didn’t happen 20 games ago? Only speculating on the timing and duration of course but he just as easily could have told his ownership group 20 games ago that he’d give the team 20 games to right the ship. Now much of what I wrote is hyperbole in response to some light-hearted comments and I wouldn’t expect a change at GM to occur until after the season. However, if Ainge is feeling heat from above no coach is ever safe during the course of the season as we’ve seen many times in the past. A part of me wonders if Wyc secretly wants Brad to take the IU gig to save him from the PR hit of firing Brad.
 

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Not really a complete overhaul if Tatum, Jaylen, Smart are still around. One of the core issues of this team beyond the weak bench is that these 3 guys aren’t D’ing up like they should. That is a problem I really don’t know how to fix.
It does appear that there is some type of cultural problem within the group that we don’t get to see/hear. This is why I posted about making changes now is crucial before irrevocable damage takes place. We know all three have the ability to take their games higher but are probably frustrated with those surrounding them or lack of game of those surrounding them. If we, the fans, are frustrated with the players around them how can we expect them to perform optimally when they must feel the same way? They aren’t robots, they know what’s going on and the limitations of their teammates. Players know their teams ceiling and if there is not a carrot there for them to reach for then things can become very challenging to motivate oneself. I’ve been in similar spots back when I played at obv lower levels and I can assure anyone that the ability of your teammates do matter to ones mental approach to the games.
 
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I don't think you will see changes at coach and GM quickly. One bad 40 game stretch is not going to make Wyc fire these guys.
I agree. Brad and Danny have a long track record of being very good and have earned a long leash. Despite being frustrated with the state of the team I don’t want to see either of them go. They can and will right the ship however it will probably not be within this season. This is a wacky season though and the Celtics are still well positioned to make the playoffs but this squad does not appear to have a deep run in them.
 

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It does appear that there is some type of cultural problem within the group that we don’t get to see/hear. This is why I posted about making changes now is crucial before irrevocable damage takes place. We know all three have the ability to take their games higher but are probably frustrated with those surrounding them or lack of game of those surrounding them. If we, the fans, are frustrated with the players around them how can we expect them to perform optimally when they must feel the same way? They aren’t robots, they know what’s going on and the limitations of their teammates. Players know their teams ceiling and if there is not a carrot there for them to reach for then things can become very challenging to motivate oneself. I’ve been in similar spots back when I played at obv lower levels and I can assure anyone that the ability of your teammates do matter to ones mental approach to the games.
Yeah, my greatest fear is Tatum getting wandering eyes or disengaging. A few months ago we were talking about him leaping into the top 10. And now we’re seeing ISO ball galore and some poor body language at times. Just a stark contrast and tough to see.

And we all kind of assumed Smart would come back and things would magically get better. They clearly haven’t. Glad I’m not Ainge right now. But I agree this team needs some kind of jolt.
 

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How do we know this didn’t happen 20 games ago? Only speculating on the timing and duration of course but he just as easily could have told his ownership group 20 games ago that he’d give the team 20 games to right the ship. Now much of what I wrote is hyperbole in response to some light-hearted comments and I wouldn’t expect a change at GM to occur until after the season. However, if Ainge is feeling heat from above no coach is ever safe during the course of the season as we’ve seen many times in the past. A part of me wonders if Wyc secretly wants Brad to take the IU gig to save him from the PR hit of firing Brad.
20 or 40 games is a pretty small sample size too compared to the years of good results they’ve had with this group.
 

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I think we have to first look through the Celtic's underperfromance through the lenses 1) the series of injuries and missed games of the first 30 or so games (Kemba-Smart-Tatum') and 2) the impact of covid magnifying problems of cohesion on a young team, and working around the roster problems caused by #1 and the non-contributions of Nesmith, Langford and the regression of GW.
This stuff is probably solvable. And I'm not sure its really anyone's fault.

What's more troubling is post all-star game, an undisciplined, dispirited, lack of effort, efforts have been put forth. This smells like a lack of leadership from coaching and from players. I had hoped that TT was going to be an added veteran voice to help lead a young team to the next step, or maybe Smart would help Tatum and Brown become more decisive and be team leaders. IMO a team leader needs to emerge. My guess is the role belongs to the more demonstrative Smart, versus the more cerebral Brown, but he needs to get the two all-stars to sign on. There may be a chemistry issue either internal among players, or players might be tuning out CBS.

Or maybe they need the outside stimulus of 17,000 fans screaming "LETS GO CELTS" to motivate them. Maybe they need the passion of fans to fill the void left by a year-long quarantine.

I'm at a loss, I want my Celtics back., the one that played team ball, made the next pass, played D and played hard in crunch time.

Where did those guys go?
 

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20 or 40 games is a pretty small sample size too compared to the years of good results they’ve had with this group.
Can't we also say that this is the second season in the last three years where things seem to have gone badly off the rails? The Kyrie team shouldn't have gotten meat tenderized by Milwaukee. They got dispatched like they were an 8 seed. Now this squad, as it's made up, aren't world beaters by any means, but they have the horses to have won more games than they've lost. They repeat the same mistakes night after night and there's no evidence that this is ever going to stop happening. They play joyless hoops and seem to have zero chemistry. It's starting to feel to me that Jayson and Jaylen aren't a complementary pairing.
 

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Can't we also say that this is the second season in the last three years where things seem to have gone badly off the rails? The Kyrie team shouldn't have gotten meat tenderized by Milwaukee. They got dispatched like they were an 8 seed. Now this squad, as it's made up, aren't world beaters by any means, but they have the horses to have won more games than they've lost. They repeat the same mistakes night after night and there's no evidence that this is ever going to stop happening. They play joyless hoops and seem to have zero chemistry. It's starting to feel to me that Jayson and Jaylen aren't a complementary pairing.
I think the biggest issues on this team are solely squared on the people that wear the uniforms and not the coaching staff or management. This is why when I said back about a month ago in the TPE thread that they need to figure out their own locker room before going out and making any changes. If the core guys on this team aren't getting it done, then there's no move that is going to help. There are bigger issues than making depth moves or even a Harrison Barnes-type move. If the core of the team is rotting, then they have no shot no matter what changes may occur. Should Stevens and Ainge shoulder some blame? Yes. But nothing is solved by firing either guy. If the guys on the floor don't want to play the right way, then the season may as well be over.
 

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I could care less if Stevens leaves. It looks to me that this team quit on him. The Celtics coach needs to figure out how to get the best out of the two Jays every game. If Stevens can’t do that, he’s going nowhere coaching this team.

Just freaking do something to change the way this team is playing. Start PP, TL, and Smart with Tatum and Brown, and use Kemba and Theis off the bench to hopefully have an advantage other teams’ second units. Try to start every game by locking down the opponent, while getting Tatum and Brown going.

Watching Kemba try to make pick/roll pullup threes while the Jays stand around at the beginning of every game is painful to watch. They should be driving the ball to the hoop to start the game, trying to put fouls on the other team’s starters and to get the Cs into the bonus early. Start winning the first quarter 30-20, especially against poorer teams, and maybe a few big wins can get this team going.
 

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Extra Points with Cousin Sal and Dave is going to be a fun listen tomorrow.
 

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I agree but did we forget the cluster that Ainge assembled two years ago so (Immanuel) Quickley?
Are you saying that DA shouldn't have traded for KI?

No matter where the team finishes up, nothing is happening to DA or CBS until nect year at the earliest. This core has a track record of past success that trumps whatever happens in this crazy season.
 

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Are you saying that DA shouldn't have traded for KI?

No matter where the team finishes up, nothing is happening to DA or CBS until nect year at the earliest. This core has a track record of past success that trumps whatever happens in this crazy season.
No, I was in favor of acquiring elite talent like that at the time. I was referring to having a second unit full of guys in contracts years looking to put up numbers while having the skill set to do so and zero role players. It’s was another flawed contraction in a polar opposite way of this one.
 

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If Thad Matta is/was the best IU could do, that job has lost a ton of luster.
 

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If Thad Matta is/was the best IU could do, that job has lost a ton of luster.
What’s wrong with Matta? He’s taken all 3 of his programs to the highest level that any had previously reached.
 

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What’s wrong with Matta? He’s taken all 3 of his programs to the highest level that any had previously reached.
Nothing wrong with him. For whatever reason, Ohio State petered out late in his tenure there. Lost at least 10 games in each of his final four seasons. Missed the NCAAs his final two years. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances.
 

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Nothing wrong with him. For whatever reason, Ohio State petered out late in his tenure there. Lost at least 10 games in each of his final four seasons. Missed the NCAAs his final two years. Maybe there were extenuating circumstances.
Reportedly it was the health issues over his final couple years with his back and feet that left him pretty much unable to walk and opened the door for opponents to use his uncertainty against Ohio State in the recruiting wars.

Prior to that time he had taken Ohio St to 2 Final Fours and won 5 Big Ten Championships. In his 3 years at Xavier he won an NCAA 1st round game all 3 years and came within a possession of taking them to the Final Four.

His recruiting resume is elite up until the health problems so it seems like this was a legit issue.
 

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How many cowboy hats will arrive at the Stevens residence from Longhorn boosters this week?