Deadspin defectors debut

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There is nothing on their twitter feed or any of their writers pushing anything, nor is there anything in their announcements section. It's certainly a negative, but also very weirdly phrased email, so I would suspect everything still maybe be ok (holistically, not with whoever sent that)...
 

TheGazelle

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That reads like the sports website equivalent of an email from the DNC claiming that, unless you donate $5 immediately, the Republicans will somehow immediately have 104 Senators.
 

dirtynine

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Yeah, maybe that “not long for this world” joke is just a riff on the extended fungus / spore bit they were using. I admit it’s possible I didn’t really grasp the message perfectly on first read - just that it sounded forlorn. Are they being ironic? To quote the Simpsons, I don’t even know anymore.
 

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So I just this second cancelled my subscription at Defector. It wasn't anything that made me angry, but I was just kinda skimming through articles and I wasn't getting much for my money. I like Ray Ratto when I'm in the mood for him, but he has a tendency to overwrite himself into knots sometimes. Magary is boring me and David Roth doesn't write enough about baseball to keep me going.

All of the other writers are just fine.

Chances are, I'll be back. But for now, I need a break.
 

hube

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Maybe it's me, and maybe it's temporary, but I think I've finally tired of Magary. Every column is a mix of the same five or six bingo clues ("I quit drinking/boston sucks/I'm deaf/I smoke weed now/Vikings!") and he's devolved into a terrible podcaster - Roth and the weekly guest are constantly interrupted in the middle of an interesting point. Two weeks ago the Distraction guest was Adam Conover - who gave a great explainer about the writer's strike (and Michael Schur a couple of months back was even better), and Drew would just barge in with awful jokes and asides mid-story. This is a regular thing.

Ratto's gotten old as well, but I think it's because he writes so much more than anyone else. I don't get the Creaturefector thing in the least (I actively hate it).

I still think it's worth sticking around for Roth and most of the bench (McQuade, McKenna, McKinney are usually good, and I like Luis Paez-Pumar, Giri Nathan, Laura Wagner, and Lauren Theisen). There's a mostly-good commentariat (the sycophants who try and fail to adopt the voices of the staff are there, but largely ignored). There have been some really excellent one-offs of the non-sports variety. I find that the site is at its best when it's publishing those stories. On a less-serious note, I really enjoyed the recent De La Soul Is Dead discussion.

The site could use some new voices in the regular rotation. I worry they can't afford them, which would put a big hole in their whole model/ethos.
 

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I dropped Defector about two months ago and I haven’t looked back. I was done with Magary. Probably more me than him, I tend to get sick of writers after a certain time. But the list of your grievances are the same as mine, though I’d also add his accident too. He’s shoehorn that into everything.

I like Roth but he didn’t write enough for my subscription. Just a week ago they sent a questionnaire about why I left and I went into a lot of detail. I’ll let you know if they write back (I doubt they will).
 

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Maybe it's me, and maybe it's temporary, but I think I've finally tired of Magary. Every column is a mix of the same five or six bingo clues ("I quit drinking/boston sucks/I'm deaf/I smoke weed now/Vikings!") and he's devolved into a terrible podcaster - Roth and the weekly guest are constantly interrupted in the middle of an interesting point. Two weeks ago the Distraction guest was Adam Conover - who gave a great explainer about the writer's strike (and Michael Schur a couple of months back was even better), and Drew would just barge in with awful jokes and asides mid-story. This is a regular thing.

Ratto's gotten old as well, but I think it's because he writes so much more than anyone else. I don't get the Creaturefector thing in the least (I actively hate it).

I still think it's worth sticking around for Roth and most of the bench (McQuade, McKenna, McKinney are usually good, and I like Luis Paez-Pumar, Giri Nathan, Laura Wagner, and Lauren Theisen). There's a mostly-good commentariat (the sycophants who try and fail to adopt the voices of the staff are there, but largely ignored). There have been some really excellent one-offs of the non-sports variety. I find that the site is at its best when it's publishing those stories. On a less-serious note, I really enjoyed the recent De La Soul Is Dead discussion.

The site could use some new voices in the regular rotation. I worry they can't afford them, which would put a big hole in their whole model/ethos.
FWIW, Ratto got canned from his sports radio gig out here a month or two ago. He had one of the better sports talk shows (based on my limited listening), but I suspect he and his co-host were way too expensive for the ratings they pulled, so he was cut loose. That presumably leaves him plenty of time to write.
 

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Interesting write-up of Defector on the Columbia Journalism Review: https://www.cjr.org/analysis/defector-last-good-website.php

A snippet:

At Defector, about half of staffers are in their thirties or older. About a third have kids; as I made the rounds, I was told that two were taking advantage of the company’s six months’ paid parental leave policy. Defector’s salary floor is higher than that of most unionized national publications, though senior journalists at those outlets tend to make much more. When I told Ley that Deadspin had recently posted an opening for the editor in chief position with a salary range starting at about twenty thousand dollars above what he makes, he laughed. He’s doing fine, he said. After he started at Defector, he and his wife bought a house. “We’re not starving artists.”

Nobody is likely to get rich working at Defector, but nobody will be laid off out of the blue, either—as some co-owners have been in the past. In recent months, Sports Illustrated announced layoffs, as did the Washington Post, NPR, and Vox Media, following cuts at Gannett and CNN. In April, Disney slashed its staff, including journalists at ESPN and FiveThirtyEight. BuzzFeed News shut down in May. Substack may offer a life raft, though Henry Abbott—a former ESPN employee who, along with several others, took the leap in 2019 with TrueHoop—said that, even with more than seventeen thousand subscribers, “everyone’s working for a lot less than they used to make.” He added, “I’m very jealous of Defector.” Ray Ratto, who, at sixty-eight, is Defector’s elder statesman, began writing for Deadspin after his contract at NBC Sports Bay Area was not renewed. A day before we spoke, Ratto lost yet another job, at a California sports radio station. At Defector, he said, the editorial freedom—coupled with freedom from employers’ mood swings—is “remarkably pleasant.”
 

hube

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The annual “Why Your Team Sucks” preseason write ups are here and full of real edgelord takes across the board.

The Pats edition is especially hateful, Including one particularly gross line about how Drew hasn’t “been this happy since Len Bias died.”

I get this is how Deadspin made its name, but I’m pretty over trolling and negativity for the sake of it. The site and its participants on the whole do a good job, WYTS just feels like a band way past it playing the hits and going through the motions. I said it upthread, Magary has just gotten stale.

Edit - I’m a Pats fan but this applies across the whole slate
 
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