How much hand pressure needs to be applied to move from "Grip" to "Squeeze"?
WE NEED A RULING!!
WE NEED A RULING!!
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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ScubaSteveAvery said:
Adding grip and squeeze to news conferences may make it totally impossible for anyone to take this seriously. Which would be the best possible outcome.
You're right that that second half game balls were not subject to the exact same conditions. But if we're to believe that all the first half game balls lost pressure due to natural forces what possible explanation is there for the same not occurring in the colder second half?SumnerH said:
We've heard a bunch of times that all the Colts balls checked out within the range before and after the game. It's prudent to wait for 100% confirmation of this by the league but I'm not holding my breath that this was misreported.
Not sure where they were filed is relevant so long as they were tested in the same conditions, which given that they were with the officials we can easily conclude with reasonable certainty. We can't be certain the colts didn't fill their balls to 13.5 with cold air at just the right time before testing to help catch the patriots but come on. As I said previously, if the pats filled with hot air then they are just as guilty as if they manipulated the calls after the test.
Edit: there are a slew of super unlikely explanations. There is never going to be an investigation that rules out everything possible. We still might get to the point where reasonable neutral people say, you know what, there's no reasonable doubt.
It's all moot because Goddell has shown repeatedly he does not need all the evidence to make a ruling.
I hope he has a studio. I was going to comment earlier that it was time for espn to put Brunell back into storage before realizing that's where he probably lived.
22 minutes until 6PM ET. Isn't that the time we were told the NFL would release the soon-to-be-buried decision?
twibnotes said:
It's perhaps easier to maintain a list of those that have been listenable/readable on the subject. I'll split it into two camps of players (former and present) non-players (writers/other commentators):
Players:
Chris Kluwe
Heath Evans
Willie McGinest
Jim Miller
Matt Leinart
Tim & Matt Hasselbeck
Matt Chatham
Non-players:
Adam Schefter
Doug Kyed
Charles Pierce
Pat Kirwan
Feel free to add to (or subtract from) this list.
I can tell you that isn't happening. This is going into next week for sure.Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
So, looking over the past few pages, it seems people somehow went from playful to ornery and even downright nasty at times.
I'm going out. To a bar. You people play nice, because there is a serious possibility that if you don't, I'll come back and burn this place to the fucking ground.
I'm going out. To a bar. You people play nice, because there is a serious possibility that if you don't, I'll come back and burn this place to the fucking ground.
All right, that settles it... Brady is fined $20,000 for squeezing his balls in public!ScubaSteveAvery said:
Heard that too. It was interesting, but not as iron clad as he thinks.nolasoxfan said:
Listening to Jim Miller and Pat Kirwan speak rationally about this was certainly a breath of fresh air.
At least things are starting to return to normal. Manziel's the banner story on espn.com again.
Totally meant to include him when I started writing the post, then forgot to name him when I ran down a list of former Pats. Have we heard from Rodney Harrison yet?Byrdbrain said:
Have fun not going to Regina's again.So, looking over the past few pages, it seems people somehow went from playful to ornery and even downright nasty at times.
I'm going out. To a bar. You people play nice, because there is a serious possibility that if you don't, I'll come back and burn this place to the fucking ground.
I thought that was just an opinion of someone here, although I'm waiting for that witching hour myself.Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
1. I fill the my balls on the sideline outside at 50F.amarshal2 said:
2. You fill yours in the locker room at 70F
3. The refs call for the balls to be tested. We take them there, where they're immediately tested. Both sets are 12 PSI.
Given those circumstances, you'd expect that if the balls were then held outside for a half at 50F and re-tested that mine would still read 12 PSI (no temperature change for the air inside, so no pressure change), but yours would read a little under 11 PSI (the 20F drop should show something in the realm of 1 to 1.1 PSI lost).
I dont think that you do get it. Our frustration is (1) that there has been very little information that has been officially released by the NFL and (2) people are reacting to anonymous reports and insinuations as if they are in fact true.shepard50 said:
This has nothing to do with grasping for straws. This has everything to do with wanting the NFL to come and say something definitive.
If you are going to post things like "this is what we know..." stick to things we know and that have been definitively stated by someone.
Not sure because I've been generally giving a wide berth to most forms of social media, but every time I've seen something from Eisen, it's been pretty sane.
I accounted for this exact scenario in my post.SumnerH said:
Edit: I find it to be extremely unlikely since they risked having balls measure in above the limit as they warmed. Additionally it requires deflating all your game balls and then reinflating them right before game time.
Good point. Much easier approachTito's Pullover said:
I would add Steve czaban
http://www.theczabe.com/the-post/mark-zero-belichick/
And of course pedro
"there is no crying in football...the colts got their ass lit up...you lost - get ready for next season"
The online English language newspaper in Bhutan (link attached) appears to not be covering this "scandal."
So there is that, SOSH and Football central, i am basically set until the SB.
Link:
http://www.kuenselonline.com/
So there is that, SOSH and Football central, i am basically set until the SB.
Link:
http://www.kuenselonline.com/
Steve Young (good), and even an all time great at the position most germane.Tito's Pullover said:
I read your "filled the balls with cold air" as something nefarious with a fridge rather than just choosing to fill them outside for whatever normal reason (hey, ball boy, that compressor is loud--take it outside!).amarshal2 said:
The point is, there isn't a perfect set of control balls known as of yet. If the Colts say they filled theirs inside and the locker rooms are about the same temperature and the PSI levels match, then there's 1 set. There certainly aren't 2, though I'm not sure that matters.
pappymojo said:
I posted (twenty pages ago) three things that we know. All of them are from what the NFL has released. I made an error (which I admitted) in the 2.lbs PSI below as opposed to merely stating that the balls were found to be underinflated.
BTW: Congratulations on being named the spokesperson for the whole board. Very exciting!
Drinking is not the answer.There is no Rev said:So, looking over the past few pages, it seems people somehow went from playful to ornery and even downright nasty at times.
I'm going out. To a bar. You people play nice, because there is a serious possibility that if you don't, I'll come back and burn this place to the fucking ground.
amarshal2 said:
Not at all. You have your normal balls that you're tossing around during practice or just sitting in a sack on the sideline. At some point that day the equipment manager goes to test them to make sure they're game-ready, notices they're down a bit, and tops them up to spec.
Assuming that balls leak at all over the week, it's pretty much exactly what you'd do normally every week anyway.
amarshal2 said:
I don't disagree with you there (hence " I'm not sure that matters."). I quoted the things I disagreed with.
Mays and Barnwell on their podcast just said this is completely pointless, so they have their faults but at least they are not on the bandwagon.Tito's Pullover said:
Said they will never talk or write about it again.
Fair point.Tito's Pullover said:
I want to believe them. I really really really do. And I will hold out hope until we get some further clarifications from the NFL. But there may come a point where reasonable Pats fans should probably accept an uncomfortable answer even if we only have 95% certainly. Enough beyond a reasonable doubt, so to speak.