#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[Hendu At The Wall]

 
But this "this standard" is clearly a reference to the PSI condition, is it not?  I don't disagree the wording is vague and could be made crystal clear.  But if they were going this route, wouldn't they have just said, "The officials inspected the balls and were satisfied with their condition."

That would indicate all balls were gauge tested. By using this wording, they can come back later and say only some were:

"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sundays game."

I think they may have tested some with the gauge, definitely not all. Maybe not any.

 

[doc]

That would indicate all balls were gauge tested. By using this wording, they can come back later and say only some were:

"Prior to the game, the game officials inspect the footballs to be used by each team and confirm that this standard is satisfied, which was done before last Sundays game."

I think they may have tested some with the gauge, definitely not all. Maybe not any.

What gauge model and whats the error range?
 
http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1113318284/theory-to-nfl-deflate-gate-012115ive-retort-to-nfl-deflategate-012115/
 
Apparently gauge error is from +/- 3psi, to +/- 1 psi to +/- 4%, and they are using dial gauges in the Peter King video so reading errors could be compounded.

 

[Don Bradman]

What gauge model and whats the error range?

 
And were they properly calibrated and maintained?

 

[TFisNEXT]

I thought Banks was an SI guy.

 
 
Yeah but Mort is ESPN...he's retweeting a story that is downplaying this as nothing but a media obsession.

 

[Kull]

 
 
Yeah but Mort is ESPN...he's retweeting a story that is downplaying this as nothing but a media obsession.

 
That just confirms the NFL has nothing. The guys with connections to the league are starting to walk it back and/or point the finger at all the idiots who are over-reacting.

 

[Helmet Head]

I don't know if this has been posted yet. I have not seen it but Ayers is awesome. He walked away in the middle of questions. Good for fucking him.

Love it

About 1:30 in cause the rest is all trash

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/nfl-breaks-silence-deflate-gate-28443256

 

[Kull]

 
I think it's more likely that most of them just move the goalposts and keep right on with it.  "The simple fact is the Patriots footballs were under-inflated, ergo they cheated."

 
But then they would have to deal with the Rodgers admission that the Packers are doing the EXACT same thing, except on the "over". And you punish one and not the other? Ooooh, there's a firestorm.
 
Potentially we have Goodell handing the MVP Trophy to the overinflater and then handing the Lombardi to the underinflaters. Sweet.

 

[LogansDad]

Ayers, awesome.

 

[riboflav]

I don't know if this has been posted yet. I have not seen it but Ayers is awesome. He walked away in the middle of questions. Good for fucking him.

Love it

About 1:30 in cause the rest is all trash

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/nfl-breaks-silence-deflate-gate-28443256

 
FORENSIC EVIDENCE! THEY HAVE FORENSIC EVIDENCE!
 
I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

 

[soxfanSJCA]

Thats him, the guy in the patriots Jersey..

 
Running Scared had this genious visual,  fits the tone of this last week...  

 

[Tito's Pullover]

 
That just confirms the NFL has nothing. The guys with connections to the league are starting to walk it back and/or point the finger at all the idiots who are over-reacting.

 
My pipe dream right now is that this whole circus is the last straw that gets Goodell fired.  I'm not holding my breath, but that would honestly have made this whole thing worth it.

 

[Jettisoned]

 
My pipe dream right now is that this whole circus is the last straw that gets Goodell fired.  I'm not holding my breath, but that would honestly have made this whole thing worth it.

 
 
I'm not going to say that all this is worth it, but watching that smug, overpaid, self-important buffoon go down in flames would be absolutely glorious.

 

[PBDWake]

My pipe dream is actually that they review all the video footage, no tampering is found, they actually release THESE tapes, and the embarrassment of having all this footage, no sign of tampering, and not putting an early rest to this makes major media outlets look silly, who then take that anger out on Goodell, who is then fired.

 

[Rough Carrigan]

My initial read was that even Goodell wasn't that shortsighted, and that he simply missed an opportunity earlier this week to dismiss this outright and needed to take a few days to cover his bases once it blew up.

In the wake of Kraft's comments about the NFL showing up in New England like the fucking FBI in Mississippi Burning, I'm now feeling that Goodell is like the Maginot Line of commissioners, utterly unable to deal with the fluid nature of crises and always fighting the last war.

The next NFL player who beats his wife, Roger will demand a pressure reading from her breast implants.

 

[cannonball 1729]

Gary Bettman is probably a better commissioner than Roger Goodell.
 
Let that sink in for a minute.

 
I'll do you one better.  With the caveat that it's too early to tell about Adam Silver, Bud Selig probably wears the crown of "best commissioner in sports."  

 

[dcmissle]

 
That just confirms the NFL has nothing. The guys with connections to the league are starting to walk it back and/or point the finger at all the idiots who are over-reacting.

Or it may mean that people who care deeply about the franchise -- and by that I mean professional football in the United States -- are reacting in horror to the franchise put at risk by nut cases.

Suppose coverage of something you care about -- your line of work, your favorite charity -- were hijacked by 9/11 truthers or birthers. That's what happening with this.

Say what you want about Mort and Schefter, but they are sober, intelligent, reasonable people who have devoted their careers to the game and who earn good livings covering the game. They are A-listers who have a stake in sanity and the long term health and growth of the sports.

The A-listers are not driving this coverage anymore; bottom feeders are. People who don't know better and are trying to make names for themselves by creating headlines. And worse, people who do know better, are already established, but don't care. All of the second and third tier people on ESPN fall into thiese categories, as do national people like that clown at SI, regional people like Francesa, and locals like Felger and Mazz.

If effect, the A-listers are being drowned out by the Drudges, and the worst of what the cable outlets have to offer on the news front. Responsible people don't like it, are beginning to fear it, and rightly so.

 

[djbayko]

That is absolutely not a clarification, given every other report.
 
I mean, you'd almost think that sportswriters used English as an important part of their jobs.  Either nobody who is reporting on this is a native English speaker, has a clue how to use the English language professionally, or gives any fucks at all.

 
I can't remember who first reported it and don't want to search this thread, but this thread has been running with the assumption that backup balls were used for a couple days now.  Here is one of many links I found:
 
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
 

 
 
After the officials found that the majority of the balls used in the first half were below the acceptable PSI as mandated by the NFL, the backup balls were brought in. According to the source, the backup balls were tested and found to be at the correct levels, and subsequently put into play — just barely in time, as the second half already had started by the time the testing was completed. This is why the officials stopped play and swapped out the kicking ball on the first play from scrimmage of the second half.

 

[axx]

 
I can't remember who first reported it and don't want to search this thread, but this thread has been running with the assumption that backup balls were used for a couple days now.  Here is one of many links I found:
 
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
 

 
If that part is true, then it's very hard to believe that BB saying he didn't know about the deflated balls during the game.

 

[djbayko]

 
If that part is true, then it's very hard to believe that BB saying he didn't know about the deflated balls during the game.

 
Ugh.  This is in response to Myt1. The latest "clarification" from Ben Volin is that backups were NOT used.
 
I guess it doesn't fucking matter at this point.  When we get the official report, history will have already been written.

 

[jcd0805]

 
If that part is true, then it's very hard to believe that BB saying he didn't know about the deflated balls during the game.

 
Why?  The refs had possession of the backup balls, why would BB know the original 12 were switched out?  I think footballs are the least of BB's concerns on the sideline, as long as there is a ball to throw out to the ref that's all he would notice I would think.  But it seems like the point is moot because the last I heard the original 12 were properly inflated and those were the 2d half balls. 

 

[jimbobim]

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Source said if the Patriots are guilty of deflating, then they're likely using a "scientific" method. Too risky to deflate on sideline
 
or you know just natural sciency facts can explain this national farce....

 

[theapportioner]

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Source said if the Patriots are guilty of deflating, then they're likely using a "scientific" method. Too risky to deflate on sideline
 
or you know just natural sciency facts can explain this national farce....

I don't even understand what that means...

 

[theapportioner]

Unless the Patriots are breaking the laws of physics?

 

[Kull]

Yeah, a scientific method called "colder ambient temperatures" than those in the fucking locker room. At this rate, in 10 years the #1 show on TV will be "Ow, my Balls!"

 

[riboflav]

Unless the Patriots are breaking the laws of physics?

 
You don't understand what? You need to to specify to be clear.

 

[Harry Hooper]

I don't even understand what that means...

 
Part A suggests there's no visible tampering on all the footage. Part B suggests there was no tampering at all, just things like pressure-temperature effects and measurement imprecision,

 

[soxhop411]

 
I'll do you one better.  With the caveat that it's too early to tell about Adam Silver, Bud Selig probably wears the crown of "best commissioner in sports."  

Yup

 

[E5 Yaz]

Has anyone checked the sideline storage box for incriminating scientific evidence?

 

[LogansDad]

 
I'll do you one better.  With the caveat that it's too early to tell about Adam Silver, Bud Selig probably wears the crown of "best commissioner in sports."  

At the risk of derailment, I totally agree.  And he's the one we finally got to retire.

 

[SumnerH]

That is absolutely not a clarification, given every other report.
 
I mean, you'd almost think that sportswriters used English as an important part of their jobs.  Either nobody who is reporting on this is a native English speaker, has a clue how to use the English language professionally, or gives any fucks at all.

 
Yeah.  If they inflated the first set of balls at halftime, then any sort of forensic analysis becomes almost impossible.  It's like putting on a pair of scuba fins, covering them with blood, hair, and bleach, and tromping around the purported crime scene for a couple of hours.

 

[Kull]

I don't even understand what that means...

 
It means they have exhausted the possibilities of normal malfeasance and are now entering the realms of science fiction or witchcraft. Either Doug is just being playful or the NFL has got absolutely nothing. Literally nothing.

 

[theapportioner]

 
It means they have exhausted the possibilities of normal malfeasance and are now entering the realms of science fiction or witchcraft. Either Doug is just being playful or the NFL has got absolutely nothing. Literally nothing.

There must be a scientific explanation on how the balls could deflate. Maybe they put antimatter into them.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Time to start checking the level of midi-chlorians on this team.

 

[E5 Yaz]

@SandoESPN parcells says walsh admitted cutting comm as "gamesmanship" in a game...imagine that in today with deflate gate being a story

 

[theapportioner]

Time to start checking the level of midi-chlorians on this team.

Would explain why Brady turned to the dark side.

 

[Kull]

There must be a scientific explanation on how the balls could deflate. Maybe they put antimatter into them.

 
There is. It's called Boyle's Law. And that's what the second part of Doug's tweet is suggesting. Much as the NFL is desperately trying to find evil hands at work, it's probably just nature. Which is exactly what that lying bastard Belichick said in his press conference.

 

[E5 Yaz]

I'll take "Points you'll never hear on ESPN" for $100, Alex
 
Doug Kyed @DougKyedNESNhttps://twitter.com/DougKyedNESN · 1h1 hour ago
 


Talked to a league source today that said if the NFL checks every team, then they'll find "several" teams are guilty of deflating.

 

[Harry Hooper]

@SandoESPN parcells says walsh admitted cutting comm as "gamesmanship" in a game...imagine that in today with deflate gate being a story

 
For clarification, that's a reference to HoF's Bill Walsh, not to Matt Walsh.

 

[Tito's Pullover]

I'm going to be disappointed if the next rumor that emerges doesn't involve the phrase "Dark Arts".

 

[Marciano490]

I'm gonna laugh so hard by the end of this.  There's no way some sort of hilarity doesn't ensue when all's said and done.  This is like the scene in Dazed and Confused when Ben Affleck's about to paddle the kid and ends up getting crap dumped on him.

 

[SumnerH]

 
I can't remember who first reported it and don't want to search this thread, but this thread has been running with the assumption that backup balls were used for a couple days now.  Here is one of many links I found:
 
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
 

 
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Myt1 is getting at when he says it's not a clarification.  If the media says that Osama bin Ladin is believed dead, then reports that he died a month ago, that's a clarification.  If they report that he's dead, then say that he's actually alive in Waziristan, that's not a clarification--its a contradiction.  
 
Saying that the backup balls weren't used, but rather that the original game balls were inflated to spec, would destroy many different attempts at figuring out what happened forensically.  And it would be a complete contradiction of what was reported, not a clarification of it.

 

[mauidano]

 
I'll do you one better.  With the caveat that it's too early to tell about Adam Silver, Bud Selig probably wears the crown of "best commissioner in sports."  

And Bud's last day on the job was today.

 

[theapportioner]

 
There is. It's called Boyle's Law. And that's what the second part of Doug's tweet is suggesting. Much as the NFL is desperately trying to find evil hands at work, it's probably just nature. Which is exactly what that lying bastard Belichick said in his press conference.

I understand the ideal gas laws. I'm mainly joking around. But also, the talk of using "scientific" means to deflate the balls implies intent to bend the rules via those means, which is also completely unsubstantiated.

 

[SumnerH]

 
There is. It's called Boyle's Law. 

 
Not quite.  You want Gay-Lussac's law.

 

[theapportioner]

 
Not quite.  You want Gay-Lussac's law.

Unless the Patriots are scientifically changing the volumes of the balls.

 

[SumnerH]

 
For clarification, that's a reference to HoF's Bill Walsh, not to Matt Walsh.

 
You see, now that's a clarification.  Now, if Harry had said "it's not Walsh, it's Lombardi", that wouldn't be a clarification--it'd be a correction.  Or contradiction.

 

[Tito's Pullover]

Unless the Patriots are scientifically changing the volumes of the balls.

 
Tampering with volume is more of a Colts thing.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Not quite.  You want Gay-Lussac's law.

 
At least we got that straight

 

[Kull]

I understand the ideal gas laws. I'm mainly joking around. But also, the talk of using "scientific" means to deflate the balls implies intent to bend the rules via those means, which is also completely unsubstantiated.

 
I gotcha. But that first part is almost scary. The NFL is now pondering weird sciency things like microwaves or radiation, or perhaps yes, mini-black holes or SOMETHING, because dammit, we KNOW those evil Patriots did something underhanded and we've been given marching orders to come back with proof of their guilt.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFLhttps://twitter.com/RossTuckerNFL · 17h17 hours ago
 


If NFL let's QBs use their own altered balls why do they care about air pressure? Let Brady play with 11 PSI & Rodgers 15 PSI. Who cares?