P'tucket said:
Kraft's team has not exactly had his back. These other owners -- who are implicilty with Irsay this week -- could have killed this but they have opted not to.
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Kraft's team has not exactly had his back. These other owners -- who are implicilty with Irsay this week -- could have killed this but they have opted not to.
Yeah, that's not happening either. There's a way Things Are Done in these kinds of situations to protect their investments (and, perhaps, to inflict some discomfort in their team rivals), and they're sticking to protocol. The fact that their coach keeps stepping on his dick trying to clear it up is another matter.wiffleballhero said:
E5 Yaz said:
This was revealed in the NFL Network doc "A Football Life" on Bill Walsh. What made it interesting is that Walsh was the first coach to "script" the first 10 or 15 plays of a game, By rule if the headset of one side went out the other side couldn't use theirs. Walsh and Montana were fine, because they had their plays scripted; Tuna and his NYG QB were screwed because they didn't.
I won't say I hate Dungey anymore. We all hate him and it goes without saying.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Still, good on him for apologizing.
Unless he was forced to.
Then, fuck him with a sandy, dry dildo.
Yeah, get him! He didn't toe the company line and said he thought people lied!LuckyBen said:
I know this is from 3 days ago, but it shows how semantics can be used to present an assumption as fact. This has been happening all week and it's really pissing me off.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/
"First, per a league source, the NFL has reviewed the entire process and determined that the balls were properly checked by the officials before the game. Which means that, when the balls left the possession of the referee, the pressure was at least 12.5 PSI and no more than 13.5 PSI."
There has been no evidence that the pre AFFCG "Proper check" included using a gauge to check pressure, yet there is plenty of evidence that other pregame checks often do not. "Which means that" was added as an assumption that has simply not been confirmed anywhere. Ridiculous.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/source-footballs-were-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/
"First, per a league source, the NFL has reviewed the entire process and determined that the balls were properly checked by the officials before the game. Which means that, when the balls left the possession of the referee, the pressure was at least 12.5 PSI and no more than 13.5 PSI."
There has been no evidence that the pre AFFCG "Proper check" included using a gauge to check pressure, yet there is plenty of evidence that other pregame checks often do not. "Which means that" was added as an assumption that has simply not been confirmed anywhere. Ridiculous.
It is possible / likely that there is surveillance video of the refs checking the footballs the first time so whether or not they used a gauge on all may be in evidence. Also the sauna theory works but seems like it would be widely known as it would require a fairly contemporaneous filling of 24 balls in sauna which would theoretically be noticed by many.
Note that the Patriots were the source - on Tuesday or early Wednesday - for the idea that the backup balls were used. http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/21/source-patriots-used-backup-balls-in-second-half-of-sundays-game/
Now it has come out that they reinflated the original balls at the half and the backup balls were not used.
Assuming this is true, this means:
1) That 2+ days later, the Patriots themselves were still in the dark on what had happened OR
2) WEEI completely misreported the issue, either due to incompetence or using a bad source (also a sign of incompetence) OR
3) F@#k all
Could easily be any of the 3, but no correction yet on the weei story.
If (1), maybe that says something about how much the Pats focus on which specific balls are in play throughout the game.
Now it has come out that they reinflated the original balls at the half and the backup balls were not used.
Assuming this is true, this means:
1) That 2+ days later, the Patriots themselves were still in the dark on what had happened OR
2) WEEI completely misreported the issue, either due to incompetence or using a bad source (also a sign of incompetence) OR
3) F@#k all
Could easily be any of the 3, but no correction yet on the weei story.
If (1), maybe that says something about how much the Pats focus on which specific balls are in play throughout the game.
Goodell Goes AWOL on Deflategate - Kavitha Davidson for Bloomberg View.
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Worth reading the whole thing - Ms Davidson gets it right.
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Worth reading the whole thing - Ms Davidson gets it right.
This is not to toot my own horn since many smarter people have raised gas law concepts, but this was 100 pages ago, and SoSH posters investigated this more thoroughly than the league in this thread! If it turns out the Pats used the gas law to gain a letter-of-the-law advantage I love them even more. Smarter than everyone else, and nobody can handle it.miracleofmidre said:
This scenario is my dream: one which exonerates the Pats, reveals all others to be petty, and simultaneously illustrates that everyone else is simply dumber than our guys. Please come true.
Two of my friends tell me that, earlier this week, McNabb admitted on FS1 that they used to keep the balls in steam rooms before the game (not sure if they were pumped there). A day later, he was calling for the SB to be decided between the Colts and Seahawks by a coin flip.
Monbo Jumbo said:
Could have been shortened to "After nearly being fired earlier this season from his $30 million per year job for reaching a quick conclusion without all the information, and having a federal judge tell him he can't change his mind after he reached a quick decision, why isn't Godell reaching a quick conclusion without all the information to try and put this behind him?"
Media sensationalism is nothing new, but it's still pretty sad that the rational approach to a situation like this is so notable simply by virtue of its sanity.Monbo Jumbo said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2015/01/23/deflategate-air-pressure-moist/22242609/
I love the sauna theory. I can't do the math, but saunas can be 200 degrees F--that air would presumably lose pressure as it cooled. And it would be legal! And so Belichikian. I suppose it wouldn't explain the backup balls, if they were normal.
I love the sauna theory. I can't do the math, but saunas can be 200 degrees F--that air would presumably lose pressure as it cooled. And it would be legal! And so Belichikian. I suppose it wouldn't explain the backup balls, if they were normal.
Anyone have any comments on the why the Patriots don't fumble stats?
Seems to me that the big issues are: a) why do we assume fumbles are normally distributed? b) correlation is not causation.
Seems to me that the big issues are: a) why do we assume fumbles are normally distributed? b) correlation is not causation.
jose melendez said:
1.) They tend to acquire players that exhibit great ball security.
2.) BB emphasizes ball security in drills and practices more than any coach I've heard about. He deliberately throws shitty balls into play, freezes the ball, splashes water on the ball, etc. It's well-documented that he values players that can cope with any playing condition imaginable.
3.) Really good teams turn the ball over markedly less than mediocre and bad teams.
The Pats throw way fewer interceptions than the league at large, too!
I think the answer is pretty straightforward. If you fumble the football for a regular team, you might lose a few carries, but you'll get another shot. We've seen year after year that a player fumbling the ball on the Patriots will be disappeared Kim Jong Un style and sent to a labor camp (or the Bengals). I think it's a case of the team placing a huge premium on ball security to the point that fumbling, or the perception of being prone to fumbles is often a death sentence.jose melendez said:
Mystic Merlin said:
I mean, look at noted RB Sure Handed Stevan Ridley. It's not like he'd fumble and disappear for vast stretches of the season afterwards. The Patriots place a premium on not giving easy outs to opponents. We already know they really don't give two shits about who's playing at running back, as long as they work within the system. That means they get to plug people who don't fumble in there. They just figure the lower ceiling is negligible on their secure options, so they'll give the ball to them.
Part of me wonders if there's a headcoaching subculture where the coaches all know about stuff like the sauna trick and which teams are behind them. Nobody really cares, it's considered gamesmanship, but when one coach gets pissed or jealous of another, he rats. In this case, Harbaugh got pissed by Belichick's "deception" and Brady's "he should study the rulebook" comment and broke code. Ditto with Mangini, who later said it was his biggest regret. If it's the case, it's amazing that Belichick has not yet broken it himself, given his targeting.
Kull said:
I think we're getting to somerthing important. The Patriots *are* engaging in science. Belichick has this theory that the NFL and its refs are Complete Fucking Morons, and is currently attempting to test that hypothesis. We've just witnessed Trial #1.
I like that he didn't originally realize how dumb it was to base his sharp analysis on fumbles lost.
That was bizarre. Really bizarre. The other thing I've hit on in rereading it is that not only is correlation not causation, but since he cannot establish that the Pats used deflated balls in other games, there is no correlation either. All he proves is that the Pats are unusually good at not fumbling. Cause =?Jed Zeppelin said:
TomTerrific said:
I think you forgot a couple zeros on that trial number. Unless you're not counting the other 31 teams when you say "the NFL".
All of a sudden this story is not on the front page of espn's mobile page. Starting to lose a little steam?