Bingo. So, if there IS a conspiracy here, it might well be emanating from NFL HQ.CoffeeNerdness said:
I'm guessing it's because neither King, Mortreport, Schefter, Florio, nor Glazer tweeted about it.
Bingo. So, if there IS a conspiracy here, it might well be emanating from NFL HQ.CoffeeNerdness said:
I'm guessing it's because neither King, Mortreport, Schefter, Florio, nor Glazer tweeted about it.
Pumpsie said:Boomer & Carton wonder why the fact that the refs approved the balls by just handling them, not checking with a gauge, hasn't gotten more notice by the media. SOP. Aaron Rodgers gives them overinflated footballs and Brady gives them underinflated footballs, and since it really doesn't matter very much, they approve them all. In other words, much ado about nothing. http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/nfl/390155331706/0/boomer-carton-refs-allegedly-approved-deflategate-balls
Swamp coolers get less efficient, they don't stop working altogether.simplyeric said:a. swamp coolers are noticeabley ineffective in humid environments. Rainy day = 100% humidity. Where's the water going to evaporate to?
b. swamp coolers deal with a continuous heat source from building loads. There's always heat energy in the building that's being added to the water, being sucked in by the phase change. The ball, after a little while, has no more heat load.
So:
- the ball is not "forcing" additional evapration (in contrast to a living body or a building).
- there air is essentially saturated. The water isn't going to evaporate unless the surrounding air is heated (thus reducing the relative humidity)
Evaporative cooling would happen, for a while. But once the ball reached ambient outside temp, evaproative cooling would (effectively) cease, and what little there might be would be continuouisly re-equilibriated (?).
Think of it this way: is an empty metal bench getting continuously colder because it's in the rain? Not really. It's either reaching the temp of the air, or the falling rain, or in between depending on the balance between the two. But it's not going to continuously get colder than the water by means of evaporation unless the air is somehow really dry or it's subject to a radiant load that somehow excites the water to evaproate without also heating the metal.
edit: SumnerH I did mention possible effects of air movement and humidity in the post you replied to.
MillarTime said:This is what makes me extremely nervous about the refs in the game. Have a very bad feeling we'll see some big call go against the Pats.
DrewDawg said:We can't go around thinking every front office, every person in the NFL office, and the officials are against as all the time.
All that's really necessary is for all or most of their bosses to be "against us," of course,and that's a much smaller number of people, but point taken.DrewDawg said:
Well, big calls go against teams all the time, but there's no way the NFL wants a scandal with officiating. These guys are going to be under a ton of scrutiny.
We can't go around thinking every front office, every person in the NFL office, and the officials are against as all the time.
Do yourself a favor, don't watch the game. Pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting or bird watching.MillarTime said:This is what makes me extremely nervous about the refs in the game. Have a very bad feeling we'll see some big call go against the Pats.
Rosey Ruzicka said:At this point there are two possibilities, given that at least a 1.5 PSI drop is explainable by temperature:
-The .5 PSI difference is due to a combination of factors like imprecision of measurement, ref attention to detail, game use etc.,
-The Patriots so greatly valued a by all accounts imperceptable .5 PSI difference that they ran a covert operation to deflate 11 game balls by exactly .5 psi in bathroom in 90 seconds.
Patriots are the boogeyman, and the NFL, media and Patriot hater fans are little kids scared of the shadows in their bedroom.
quint said:Do yourself a favor, don't watch the game. Pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting or bird watching.
quint said:Do yourself a favor, don't watch the game. Pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting or bird watching.
singaporesoxfan said:https://twitter.com/toddradom/status/560485232038928384
Las Vegas says hello.The Gray Eagle said:
There will be controversial calls and blown calls in the Super Bowl, because there are in every single NFL game. Refs miss calls all the time and the rule book invites controversies. That will happen. But when Patriots fans are irate about it when a bad call goes against them, it's not going to matter one bit to the NFL, because everyone who is not a Patriots fan will just say "Ha-ha, serves them right, the cheaters finally got what they deserved."
The only way the league would be under any pressure because of a controversial call in the Super Bowl is if one helps the Patriots win. That would be a big deal. Otherwise, not a problem for them.
quint said:Do yourself a favor, don't watch the game. Pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting or bird watching.
E5 Yaz said:
You realize how many germs he could get from handling stamps?
Why?quint said:Do yourself a favor, don't watch the game. Pick up a safe hobby like stamp collecting or bird watching.
It is a little weird. Did this email really "expose" the fact that the NFL was investigating? They'd have to investigate. They'd have to hire counsel. They'd have to have counsel hire an expert in case subsequent litigation was needed. They'd want, whatever happens, from a PR pov, to look like they hired an impartial expert of the highest caliber who was only interested in the truth. So no harm no foul.Myt1 said:The cold call to a university looking to see if anyone there could handle it is a bit curious, though. More often, there would be a bunch of "ISO Physicist Expert Witness" emails throughout the firm and quiet checks with friends at other firms for a reliable recommendation with a little more circumspection.
It's curious.
As Brenkus said this week on Sport Science, an overinflated football actually travels faster. How’s that for an advantage?
Because you're one of the many in this thread that has reached full blown hysteria over this matter. When one starts dreaming up scenarios where this has an effect on the game's officiating or the drooling masses begin wishcasting fines and/or loss of draft picks well without any proof of wrongdoing well, it's time for a break kids.MillarTime said:Why?
Any sense from your conversation whether this emnity began at deflategate or was this brewing for awhile?TheoShmeo said:the level of enmity between Goodell and Kraft is off the charts. A battle of sorts is shaping between them that will take place after the game.
Even Goodell is not stupid or incompetent enough to attempt to rig the Super Bowl via the officiating. You arent the first to bring it up, but its absolute crazy talk. Goodell, despite having the power to pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants to punish the Patriots and despite his number one job description being to protect the shield, puts the entire future of the league and his 40 million a year job at risk just to spite the Pats? How exactly does he order it, tell the part time employees officiating the game they have to rig it, hope like hell a close call comes up, and hope like hell the officiating crew goes along with it and keeps their mouths shut?TheoShmeo said:OK, I have heard again from my two friends, who do not know each other but are saying consistent (and not particularly surprising) things.
Caveats (and to hopefully avoid another round of meta discussion):
- I'm passing stuff on because I know that some people here, like me, find these inputs to be interesting (regardless of what discount level they may apply); and
- Really, if you think this is just made up nonsense (by my two friends or me), I suggest you simply look away.
Consistent with Wells' comments about the length of the investigation, there will indeed be no penalty before the game. That said, the level of enmity between Goodell and Kraft is off the charts. A battle of sorts is shaping between them that will take place after the game.
Again, none of that is surprising.
But it does lead to a worry (and one that exists even if you completely discount the above) on my part.
This may have been mentioned by others up thread and apologies, if so, but might Goodell order a Ben Dreith style officiating job in this game? I know that the public will be carefully scrutinizing how the SB is called but a hugely bad call or two against the Pats would fit right in with the rest of these playoffs so it's not as if it would necessarily stand out as a "revenge call."
PS: While I have been typing a bunch of posts have addressed this very issue. Oops.
That is a very fair take.quint said:Because you're one of the many in this thread that has reached full blown hysteria over this matter. When one starts dreaming up scenarios where this has an effect on the game's officiating or the drooling masses begin wishcasting fines and/or loss of draft picks well without any proof of wrongdoing well, it's time for a break kids.
natpastime162 said:I can only find the 51 degree game time temperature. What was the temperature at the half?
ifmanis5 said:The unfortunate reality that this controversy points out is that the Patriots now have literally zero allies. I know many in the media like to point to Goodell and Kraft's cozy relationship but Ballghazi appears to have broken that, if it was ever even really a thing. Pats have nowhere to go now. They are on their own now more than ever.
quint said:Because you're one of the many in this thread that has reached full blown hysteria over this matter. When one starts dreaming up scenarios where this has an effect on the game's officiating or the drooling masses begin wishcasting fines and/or loss of draft picks well without any proof of wrongdoing well, it's time for a break kids.
I'm not certain but my sense is that it's all over this issue. I have no information about the sting aspect.Koufax said:Any sense from your conversation whether this emnity began at deflategate or was this brewing for awhile?
Any sense as to whether this was a sting operation or something that happened spontaneously?
If there is emnity, then we can forget about the NFL really looking at the science. They will want bag men who will back them up.
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I don't know if this is true. I think/hope some of the more respected and reasonable owners in the NFL (Mara, Rooney) likely still have their heads on straight.
That's where I come down as well. Kraft backed Goodell to the hilt this past year, was frequently viewed as one of his staunchest supporters and allies among the owners (despite Spygate), and yet suddenly their relationship is off the charts hostile? That doesn't make any sense to me.Stitch01 said:Even Goodell is not stupid or incompetent enough to attempt to rig the Super Bowl via the officiating. You arent the first to bring it up, but its absolute crazy talk. Goodell, despite having the power to pretty much do whatever the fuck he wants to punish the Patriots and despite his number one job description being to protect the shield, puts the entire future of the league and his 40 million a year job at risk just to spite the Pats? How exactly does he order it, tell the part time employees officiating the game they have to rig it, hope like hell a close call comes up, and hope like hell the officiating crew goes along with it and keeps their mouths shut?
Also, color me super skeptical that Goodell and Kraft, at this point, have a hostile relationship. Im sure Kraft doesn't like the way the last two weeks have gone, but that relationship didn't disintegrate that quickly and I doubt there are second and third hand sources with their fingers on the pulse of that relationship. Given the crap we've seen from "anonymous league sources" in the press, I have a hard time taking whatever else league sources may be leaking seriously.
And this is why I agree about the officiating thing being possible. I just don't see the media/other owners sticking up for the Pats. They'll just say something like "yea it was wrong but you shouldn't have cheated!!"ifmanis5 said:The unfortunate reality that this controversy points out is that the Patriots now have literally zero allies. I know many in the media like to point to Goodell and Kraft's cozy relationship but Ballghazi appears to have broken that, if it was ever even really a thing. Pats have nowhere to go now. They are on their own now more than ever.
SumnerH said:Swamp coolers get less efficient, they don't stop working altogether.
The metal bench doesn't get continuously cooler; at some point the delta-T between the bench and the air is warming the bench at the same rate that the evaporative cooling is cooling it, and an equilibrium is reached. But it will reach a point cooler than the ambient air, depending on the wind and humidity. Even when it's raining out, wind causes evaporation that causes cooling.
Hang one thermometer outside on a rainy day under the eaves to measure the air temperature. Put another in a bowl of water (that's at ambient temperature) with a fan blowing across it. The water will cool down and the thermometer will register cooler than the first.
MillarTime said:
Ok, but seems like you may be the one who needs to take a break. Don't think wondering whether this whole shitshow will have an impact on the game is a hysterical take.
I agree with this take, but there's a long way from tension and a damaged relationship to one that is "off-the-charts hostile."PedroKsBambino said:I find it entirely credible that Kraft and Goodell have tension now. Every action Goodell has taken as commissioner has had a 'my way or the highway' vibe to it and Kraft's press conference and direct commentary on how the league handled it cannot have been well received. Kraft, we can assume, only went there after running out of ways to get it addressed privately.
I'd be far more surprised if their relationship wasn't damaged by this than to learn it definitively was.
What he say? I'm at work and cannot listen to it.jsinger121 said:Rich Gannon on WEEI should be added to the white list.
JimD said:If the fear of the refs being ordered to put their fingers on the scale is even remotely true, then Bob Kraft should be letting any fellow owner with a skeleton in the closet know that he will burn the NFL down unless they reign in Goodell.
As a matter of logic, I agree...but that's exactly what both said.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:I agree with this take, but there's a long way from tension and a damaged relationship to one that is "off-the-charts hostile."
quint said:
I don't think you understand the word hysteria.
And I'm not the one creating scenarios for events yet to unfold in the event that my rooting interests don't unfold exactly as I wish it to be.