#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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soxfan121

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But in the course of how these things run, it will die a quick death unless someone picks up on it. Sporting News.com picked up the report. No other mentions thus far
 
If there is video, it won't matter how many times the report gets run - you and I both know it'll blow the fuck up like a supernova. 
 

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A quick internet search of "Charles Haley, in front of teamates" opens a rational person to a panorama of serious concerns.
 
At some point advancing what this guy says is exploiting people with disabilities.
Charles Haley is not  "hahaha" crazy, he is very much in the clinical diagnosis category of mental illness,
which is not funny, the guy needs professional help not a media spotlight.
 
 
 
 
 

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You know, typically when a guy like Malcolm Butler has an iconic Super Bowl moment, the country kind of briefly falls in love with him. He's on every show, basking in his great play and he's kind of a national hero for a month before he's forgotten. But I must have missed his victory lap guest spots on The Today Show and spending a day at ESPN, etc. Too bad America, Collinsworth and most of the talking meatheads, you've missed out on a great story by hanging on to your irrational hatred and sour grapes. No worries though, he'll never spend a dime as long as he lives near Boston. We're not expecting any apologies either.
 
P.S. NBC and Matt Lauer did have an "exclusive" interview with Pete Carroll on how he's a dumbass and failed in his duty. Insane. The national outrage that he didn't beat the Pats is past epic levels.
 

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You know, typically when a guy like Malcolm Butler has an iconic Super Bowl moment, the country kind of briefly falls in love with him. He's on every show, basking in his great play and he's kind of a national hero for a month before he's forgotten. But I must have missed his victory lap guest spots on The Today Show and spending a day at ESPN, etc. Too bad America, Collinsworth and most of the talking meatheads, you've missed out on a great story by hanging on to your irrational hatred and sour grapes. No worries though, he'll never spend a dime as long as he lives near Boston. We're not expecting any apologies either.
 
Gronk was on Kimmell, three pats were on Fallon, Meyers had a couple, Edelman and Butler went to Disneyland  and have a commercial out. Add to that the parade kept their schedules in flux because of the delay and ... WTF are you talking about?
 

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A quick internet search of "Charles Haley, in front of teamates" opens a rational person to a panorama of serious concerns.
 
At some point advancing what this guy says is exploiting people with disabilities.
Charles Haley is not  "hahaha" crazy, he is very much in the clinical diagnosis category of mental illness,
which is not funny, the guy needs professional help not a media spotlight.
I'm pretty sure that Haley has been diagnosed as bi-polar within the past few years.
 

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Agreed, but some of that might be because Malcom isn't the greatest interviewee.  His delivery is a bit painful to watch.  Liberal use of "um".
 
Yeah, he's also not really giving the press the answers they want.  They are trying to press him into a box, and he seems like a pretty literal and genuine guy who doesn't know how to play the game.  They ask him what it was like when he made the play, and they clearly want him to say it was the most amazing moment of his life and he thought back to his days at Popeyes and all the people rooting for him.  But he doesn't give that answer.  He talks feeling he'd let his team down on the play two before, so he just made a good play on the ball and it all worked out.  They ask him, "I heard you had a vision that you made a big play," and he completely downplays it, saying, that yeah, some friends texted him and he thought he could make an impact but not like that.  His actual story and delivery is not the way they want it, and he's not savvy enough to give them a little bit of that, so they kind of have moved on.
 

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I don't even understand what he wanted Belichick to say or why he wanted him to say it. Did he want Belichick to come out to the press and tell them that it was a practice that had been happening in the NFL for decades, that there were other teams doing it at the time still, and that he thought the fine was beyond excessive, given the NFL's prior history on dealing with these kinds of issues? Did he want to admit he did it? He had already done that. Did he want Belichick to cry and apologize profusely? My guess is that's closer to the truth, but give me a break. If anything, I think Belichick was pretty tame in dealing with that whole fiasco, at least off the field.

I agree with your overall point, however. I think Goodell really does not like Belichick and I would assume the feeling is mutual. Curran did a real interesting interview with I think WEEI during media week, in which he suggested Belichick thought the league should be more about the players, whereas Goodell thought the league was more about The Shield. Seems reasonable to me.
 
Goodell wanted nothing short of Belichick believing in his heart that the transgression threatened the sanctity of the league. 
 
My recollection of the controversy (as a non-Pats fan with a soft spot because of this message board) was that of a pissing contest between a new commission and the most accomplished coach in the NFL.  The end result being the Patriots are found guilty based on a technicality (a dubious technicality at that), Goodell gets his way, Belichick is fined $500,000, Patriots are fined $250,000 and must forfeit their 1st round pick.  In addition, the portrayal of the violation by Goodell and perpetuated by the media, perhaps by design, poisoned the reputation and accomplishments of Belichick and the Patriots (fucked up IMO, regardless of how BB may feel)
 
It is pretty obvious Belichick ignored the memo because he believed it was trivial and completely arbitrary nonsense, and Goodell railroaded him for it.  Yet, despite being fined, forfeiting draft picks, and accused of spying, stealing, and cheating through misrepresenting the actual violation; Belichick swallowed his pride, apologized, took full responsibility, conceded his original interpretation of the rule, and took one for the shield.  BB took the punishment and immediately moved on back in 2007, and both Goodell and the media are unable to accept that fact.
 

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Look in the mirror, fuckfaces.
 
Any patriots fans in that vicinity should print out little cards outlining the rule violations committed by the Seahawks this year, backed by a link to the NYTimes story saying the Patriots' story about the balls is most likely correct, and pass them to whatever idiots are out wearing that shirt.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
Gronk was on Kimmell, three pats were on Fallon, Meyers had a couple, Edelman and Butler went to Disneyland  and have a commercial out. Add to that the parade kept their schedules in flux because of the delay and ... WTF are you talking about?
I'm talking about national folk hero Malcolm Butler that won't ever happen. What are you talking about?
 

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ifmanis5 said:
I'm talking about national folk hero Malcolm Butler that won't ever happen. What are you talking about?
 
He was also on the Today show and ESPN early Monday morning. I just think, as others have said, he's not feeding the narrative despite how great his story is. He seemed like a shy, overwhelmed, humble guy in these interviews. 
 

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One question about this, he states that the one football that was 2 psi under is the same one that was intercepted by the Colts. Has that been confirmed? 
 
He references this as coming from Pro Football Talk:
 
Here is the relevant bit from PFT:
 
 
 
But what has the NFL really found?  As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum.  The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI.
 

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Amazing.  Just amazing.
 
Seconded.  He takes Kravitz to the woodshed.
 
 
So, driving under the influence of prescription drugs, an act which could result in the deaths of innocent people, is simply the act of a man who needs some help. Underinflate some footballs, and you deserve to lose your job. Solid reasoning there, especially now that we know the entire deflated football accusations were essentially made up out of thin air.
 

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I e-mailed Hurley's story to Kravitz and Doyel and asked them if they would read it and respond.  I also asked them how the Pats SB victory tasted. 
 
Doyel wrote a column that was linked up thread in the immediate aftermath of the KC game to the effect that the Pats were dead and that Belichick was to blame.  Do you think he had an agenda?
 

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So the torrent of leaks has slowed to a trickle. A good part of that I'm inclined to attribute to the professionalism of Ted Wells.

BUT -- anyone who doesn't think the torrent was agenda driven is a fool. It was done by some to drive rating and by their enablers to injure the team in advance of the Super Bowl.

I think Kraft knows this well, and I don't believe he'll get past it easily. This is far from over from our end.
 

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A day later, the Boomer Esiason theory has no legs in the national media
 

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I e-mailed Hurley's story to Kravitz and Doyel and asked them if they would read it and respond.  I also asked them how the Pats SB victory tasted. 
 
Doyel wrote a column that was linked up thread in the immediate aftermath of the KC game to the effect that the Pats were dead and that Belichick was to blame.  Do you think he had an agenda?
 
Mostly old news, but:
 
Doyel sprinkles the occasional worthwhile column in with a torrent of look-at-me hot takes.  There's no shot he went from a national spot at CBS Sports to the IndyStar voluntarily.  I avoid him like the plague.
 
Kravitz used to HATE the Pats during the Manning days.  He had seemingly mellowed in recent years, leading me to follow him on Twitter.  But this "controversy" turned him back into a yahoo.  I checked his Twitter feed today and you can see the fact that the Colts are self-destructing this off-season is KILLING him.  
 

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Those illegal practices clearly weren't for goal line situations.
 
 
Well, they did work on those, but BB taped them all. He knew Seattle couldn't complain to the league about taping team practices that weren't supposed to exist.
 
dcmissle said:
So the torrent of leaks has slowed to a trickle. A good part of that I'm inclined to attribute to the professionalism of Ted Wells.

BUT -- anyone who doesn't think the torrent was agenda driven is a fool. It was done by some to drive rating and by their enablers to injure the team in advance of the Super Bowl.

I think Kraft knows this well, and I don't believe he'll get past it easily. This is far from over from our end.
 
Kraft should insist on an apology and some firings from the HQ. If it was mostly the Commish himself, how is that patched up?
 

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That's the part I can't figure out: are the leaks a product of Goodell's inability to control his office, or did he sanction the effort? It's hard to envision the latter because the latter provides so little benefit for him. Unless, of course, the man is extraordinarily petty.
 

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That's the part I can't figure out: are the leaks a product of Goodell's inability to control his office, or did he sanction the effort? It's hard to envision the latter because the latter provides so little benefit for him. Unless, of course, the man is extraordinarily petty.
I'm guessing that Goodell made nailing Belichick a priority, and did nothing to really control the leaks.  The timing of the leak  of the video showing the ball attendant's taking a leak was too coincidental to be unintentional.  But that likely came from a rabid Pats hater inside the NFL as opposed from Goodell himself.  Could he have stopped it?  Sure.  But he was so sure that he would be on the winning side that he didn't really care to stop them from happening.  
 

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Kraft should insist on an apology and some firings from the HQ. If it was mostly the Commish himself, how is that patched up?
 
My daily reminder that just because no findings have been issued doesn't mean the Pats are off the hook
 

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E5 Yaz said:
A day later, the Boomer Esiason theory has no legs in the national media
 
It's amazing, right?  A well-respected former league MVP who hosts a daily radio show, co-hosts both the CBS pre-game show and Inside the NFL, gets ZERO coverage for his belief that this was orchestrated by Harbaugh.
 
Meanwhile I've seen multiple segments, crawl items and gotten alerts on my phone of what Charles Haley said today.  
 
Charles.
 
Haley.
 
Sports media!
 

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It's amazing, right?  A well-respected former league MVP who hosts a daily radio show, co-hosts both the CBS pre-game show and Inside the NFL, gets ZERO coverage for his belief that this was orchestrated by Harbaugh.
 
Meanwhile I've seen multiple segments, crawl items and gotten alerts on my phone of what Charles Haley said today.  
 
Charles.
 
Haley.
 
Sports media!
 
If Esiason worked for ESPN ...
 

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The Haley thing is meaningless. It's click-bait, because it riles up just the sort of rabid sports fan who will read it even knowing that it's meaningless.
 
Anyone allowing themselves to get worked up over it deserves the aggravation they feel.
 

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Yeah, there's more evidence that the Colts "cheated" then there is that the Patriots did.
 
D'Qwell Jackson intercepts a ball.  He doesn't notice any deflation, and pictures confirm that there is no squishiness to the ball:

 
On the Colts sideline, they report that when their little equipment guys touches it, it does squish, which is odd because he probably can't put as much pressure on the ball as D'Qwell.  The psi is measured and it is 10.5.  All the other Patriots balls are around 11.5-12.5.  How does one ball lose pressure between getting intercepted by the Colts and being turned over to the NFL?
 

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Pretty much.
 
The argument was that the ball felt squishy - and Brady would have noticed this squish in 2.1 seconds of holding it and passing it - so they tested it, and all the Patriots balls were low but the Colts balls weren't, therefore the Patriots cheated.  
 
The counter-argument was that the ball did not feel squishy to Brady and did not feel squishy when D'Qwell actually squeezed it for much longer (above) and brought it to the Colts sideline.  At some point it became soft to the touch according to other Colts staff, and ended up at a lower psi than all the other balls on the field and was given to the NFL as evidence.  Therefore something must have happened to that ball on the Colts sideline, therefore they cheated.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
Anyone allowing themselves to get worked up over it deserves the aggravation they feel.
I'm not so sure about that. The level of bitching and crying in the NFL has reached ridiculous levels, and you can't escape from it. I feel like I'm back in elementary school when I try to discuss football these days. And forget listening to talk radio or watching ESPN anymore. When I see a grown man like Mark Brunell crying about unsubstantiated allegations of deflated footballs, it makes me feel embarrassed and a little ashamed that I spend so much time and energy following the sport. I've been a lifelong football fan and a fantasy football addict for about 25 years, and I am fully planning to scale back on both hobbies next season.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
My daily reminder that just because no findings have been issued doesn't mean the Pats are off the hook
 
Any punishment now has no effect on the Super Bowl so my worry level dropped to just barely above 0.0 on this thing.
 
An off-season distraction is meaningless to me. We know they aren't getting hit hard unless Kraft, BB, and Brady all lied and I don't buy that for a second, so bring on a $25,000 fine for some nebulous reason and let's move on.