@McCannSportsLaw: If Tom Brady sues, his most likely claim would be for defamation. More on Brady's internal appeal and legal options: http://t.co/t3yfJiYH2A
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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lexrageorge said:
Believe under league bylaws his practical appeal is to other owners to throw Goodell out, then seek a rehearing with the replacement. Then, I think he's left with trying an antitrust theory in federal court---though it's hard to see what he'd be arguing here. Al Davis tried to move the team and was constrained in doing so, hence the antitrust issue he ultimately won on. Not sure offhand how you'd get there via a discipline penalty, but smart lawyers will come up with something if they really try hard enough. I don't think there's really anything viable there.
Kraft seemed to have already said he'd abide by any punishment, though, so I don't think any of those will happen.
Myt1 said:
That's basically the only line of criticism anyone is actually making. There is just nothing to stand upon here.
Yee has been speaking as though Brady is objectively innocent. I do hope that's the case, and that there are plans to back the statements up beyond appellate and legal hearings, unless the information is made public through them.
To be clear, even interviews would be fine. I just think he's going to need more than just the statements from a PR perspective.
To be clear, even interviews would be fine. I just think he's going to need more than just the statements from a PR perspective.
Kraft may be able to get an arbitrator for the team penalties. The Redskins and Cowboys did for their cap penalties. Very small chance of winning IMO. The obstruction charge distinguishes this case from the Vikings. The recidivist point distinguishes this situation from the Vikings'.
If Kraft were to sue the League, not his style, it would almost certainly be thrown out.
Brady is very differently situated.
If Kraft were to sue the League, not his style, it would almost certainly be thrown out.
Brady is very differently situated.
Doctor G said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sglyFwTjfDU&hd=1
When you think about it, that scene is the perfect summary of this entire story. Right down to the point where the scales show she weighs the same as the duck.
4 game suspension - Brady-slap
Loss of draft pick - Belichick -slap
$1,000,000 fine for Patriots - Kraft - slap
Ouch, that hurt everybody.
Loss of draft pick - Belichick -slap
$1,000,000 fine for Patriots - Kraft - slap
Ouch, that hurt everybody.
soxhop411 said:
That's really the angle that I think is so sickening. Goodell knows that his decision is largely bulletproof. There are enough who hate the Patriots, or are tired of getting beaten by them, that he knew he would have a receptive mouthbreathing audience that would stand behind his punishment.
I don't know how he gets away with 4 games when he only gave Rice 2, though -- although I'm sure it will "I made a mistake and learned."
Love Brady's agent's response, but unfortunately, I don't think the more egregious punishment can be touched: the loss of our first round draft pick in 2016.
That's just so damaging to a franchise, and so over-the-top it's absurd. No appeals process for it, either. Jimmy G can keep the ship afloat for 2-4 games worst case scenario. Losing a 1st round draft pick is a dagger.
That's just so damaging to a franchise, and so over-the-top it's absurd. No appeals process for it, either. Jimmy G can keep the ship afloat for 2-4 games worst case scenario. Losing a 1st round draft pick is a dagger.
I think Kraft has to respond. This new "finding" essentially says that any further suspicion, no matter how unfounded, will be cause for future action. And those penalties will be even worse. Keep in mind this comes after the Wells report finds no evidence of team wrongdoing. So innocence is no defense. The only remedy is no further suspicion of any kind.
What team or person could ever rise to meet that standard? He has to go scorched earth.
What team or person could ever rise to meet that standard? He has to go scorched earth.
This is a really dumb thing to say. You don't start insulting the judge (or hearing officer) before the hearing, which is basically what this is: "If you don't find for us, you're on the take."
I think Yee has thoroughly screwed this up from the first, and Brady would be well-served to get a better public spokesman.
And, by the way, Yee has yet to make a single clear statement saying that Brady is 100% innocent. Issuing one lengthy statement after another without saying "Tom did nothing wrong" is an easy way to lose the PR battle.
timelysarcasm said:
Same as spygate. We've been kicking the league's ass for a while now with a hand tied behind our backs -- sometimes I think the more obstacles you throw at them, the harder they work.
It really is us against the world now. Let's see how it goes.
Oh, and thank you Malcolm Butler.
It's interesting--in a bad way--that virtually no current NFL players are stepping up to support Brady.
twibnotes said:
Kraft won't say anything publicly. But behind the scenes, he'll let every other owner know that any other suspecting rule-breaking will receive the same scrutiny.
And if he gets enough other owners on his side, they'll fire Goodell himself.
There is really no way the 4 games are going to hold up. Brady probably loses to a corrupt arbitrator (Goodell), but brings the NFL to court, where the NFL folds like twits they been shown the past few years many many many times over. How great would it be to see Goodell and the NFL office under oath?
The "twice as long as Ray Rice" argument doesn't hold water for me, but I have no qualms about everyone being reminded of the embarrassing clown show that was the Ray Rice investigation.
Goodell appears to be acting as if, by not being fired over the Rice case, he's been given permission, or even a mandate, to put his Sheriff hat on and wield all the power he can pretend to manage, in the name of "integrity" and at the expense of integrity.
Goodell appears to be acting as if, by not being fired over the Rice case, he's been given permission, or even a mandate, to put his Sheriff hat on and wield all the power he can pretend to manage, in the name of "integrity" and at the expense of integrity.
If TB would somehow leave for Montreal, I would be willing to become a fervent Allouettes fan.
nattysez said:
I'm sure he'll ask Goodell to appoint a neutral arbiter. The Saints got him to turn Bountygate over to Tagliabue.
JimBoSox9 said:
Kull said:
What makes you think the other owners are smart enough to see this? Other than perhaps a select few, but that's just a few. And there is essentially no rule of law within the league, Goodell is making that damn clear, so making that connection to long-term consequences is even harder for them, much less the Boeotians who lurk just outside the walls of SOSH.
No, what most of the other owners see is a commish who metes out justice as it is deserved, precedent be damned. And they think, "They deserve it, we're not the Patriots, and it won't happen to us".