#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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In regards to firing the two eimployees: there's also the small matter of talking a lot of now public shit about Brady.  I can't think of many places where a low-level employee is caught shit-talking a person in power and generally embarrassing the company get to keep their jobs, regardless of what other things they may or may not have done.
 

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soxhop411 said:
 
This doesn't surprise me. Even if owners disagree with RG's handling of this, this whole thing has become high-profile enough that if the NFL loses, backs down, or admits they screwed up, the public is going to roast them for it--both Pats supporters saying "see, we told you these guys were idiots" and Pats haters calling conspiracy and corruption. 
 
They just want this issue to go away, in a fashion that doesn't further damage the NFL's brand. "NFL admits mistake, RG gets fired" does the exact opposite of that. 
 
Plus, penalizing the Patriots has obvious competitive implications, and while I don't think thats the primary motivation I'm sure it plays a factor
 

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Okay, which one of you tried to order this first? 
 
@darrenrovell NFLShop.com now rejects anyone who tries to custom order a Patriots jersey with the words "DEFLATOR" on back
 

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NFLPA statement on Brady
 
The NFLPA has filed an appeal of the four-game suspension of Tom Brady handed down by Troy Vincent.
Given the NFL’s history of inconsistency and arbitrary decisions in disciplinary matters, it is only fair that a neutral arbitrator hear this appeal.
If Ted Wells and the NFL believe, as their public comments stated, that the evidence in their report is “direct” and “inculpatory,” then they should be confident enough to present their case before someone who is truly independent.
https://www.nflpa.com/news/all-news/nflpa-files-appeal-on-behalf-of-tom-brady
 

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JokersWildJIMED said:
Perhaps the subtle point is that the science aspect should have been a foundation of the overall conclusion, which took supposedly months and a final Exponent report should have been concluded long before May 6th.  The report being dated on May 6th indicates many things, most benign, but does indicate that their were earlier versions that may have included discussion points and does make it appear that it was concluded near the end, after a conclusion was reached.  .  
There is nothing subtle in anything the Patriots said today. It would be the height of foolishness if there were not drafts earlier than May 6.
 

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I like "Ted Wells and Roger Goodell should present their case to an independent arbitrator," making them out to be co-conspirators.
 

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I had no idea Jim Turner went to BC and had that awesome Boston accent. Good for him on both accounts.
 

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lexrageorge said:
If Kraft truly felt that the punishment was going to be a fine and mid-round draft pick (and worst case a 1-game vacation for Brady), he probably figured he was just going to accept the punishment and move on.  Suspending JJ and McNally would make sense, especially as the NFL was going to do it for them no matter what.  See Troy Vincent's press release if you disbelieve this last point.  
I agree, just wouldnt have fired them on the day they launched their rebuttal.
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
 
Okay, which one of you tried to order this first? 
 
@darrenrovell NFLShop.com now rejects anyone who tries to custom order a Patriots jersey with the words "DEFLATOR" on back
 
 
Is 'DoritoDink' available?  Because I'm a size XL. 
 

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Just ocurred to me today. Isn't the DeflateGate the biggest "First World Problem" problem in recent memory?
 
You have millionaires and billionaires throwing potshots at each other using millions of dollars on millionaire lawyers over a few puffs of air. 
 

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"Deflate and give somebody that jkt"--if JJ is the one trying to bulk up, why is McNally advising him to deflate during 3rd Q of the freezing Packers game??
 

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DrewDawg said:
 
It says right in the rebuttal, that after reviewing ALL the texts on the phone, not just the few pulled out, that he had a habit of referring back to something discussed previously. Every text didn't respond to the immediately preceding text.
 
Yeah, I do this all the time. It is very easy to get into a mode where you have 2 entirely different threads of conversation happening at the same time. Your buddy understand what you are referring to...because he's your buddy. An outsider would not.
 

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"Deflate and give somebody that jkt"--if JJ is the one trying to bulk up, why is McNally advising him to deflate during 3rd Q of the freezing Packers game??
 
Wasn't he talking about a jacket?
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
Just ocurred to me today. Isn't the DeflateGate the biggest "First World Problem" problem in recent memory?
 
You have millionaires and billionaires throwing potshots at each other using millions of dollars on millionaire lawyers over a few puffs of air. 
 
 
No, kids in Africa are watching intently.  Michael Vick Patriot jerseys may be at stake.
 

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GregHarris said:
 
Wasn't he talking about a jacket?
 
 
JJ had just scored him a Pats jacket that fits his big frame, but when he loses weight it won't fit him...so give it to someone else.   ????
 
 
Just a guess.
 
EDIT:  Oh, I thought you asked "what's" he talking about a jacket?  As in why is he referring to a jacket.
 

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GregHarris said:
 
Wasn't he talking about a jacket?
Trying to make conclusive sense out of insider text banter between two seeming morons is a complete fool's errand.

It's hard to accept that the entire underpinning of the Wells Report requires doing so.
 

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Florio is the White Omar that deals in stolen clicks instead of stolen coke. An equal opportunist.
 
This might be the most egregious comment in the entirety of this thread including the Wells report.  Omar is a legend, something Florio will never be except perhaps in his own mind.  Also it was stolen heroin not coke.
 

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Kraft's unbiased scientific research was done by the co-founder of Flex Pharma, who happened to receive an investment from the Kraft Group before their IPO.
 
Hey cool, so he doesn't need Kraft's funding anymore since the IPO.  Can't say the same about Wells.
 

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j44thor said:
 
This might be the most egregious comment in the entirety of this thread including the Wells report.  Omar is a legend, something Florio will never be except perhaps in his own mind.  Also it was stolen heroin not coke.
 
Also, he is dead.
 

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Two can play at this game. One of these things is not exactly like the other, but welcome to the food fight:

"As part of their response to the Wells Report, the Patriots included a rebuttal of scientific evidence from the report by Professor Roderick MacKinnon of the Rockefeller University.

MacKinnon, a 2003 Nobel laureate in chemistry, criticizes the key findings in the Wells Report and writes that the conclusion that physical law cannot explain the pressures is incorrect. In the original introduction to his work, MacKinnon is described as someone with no business or personal relationship with the Patriots who offered his scientific expertise to the team once news of the investigation went public.

MacKinnon may not have a relationship with the Patriots, but, as Noah Gray of Nature magazine pointed out on Thursday afternoon, he has one with the teams owners. MacKinnon is the scientific co-founder and co-chair of the Scientific Advisory Board of a company called Flex Pharma that counts The Kraft Group among its investors.

Elsewhere in their response to the report, the Patriots raise the issue of the longstanding relationship between the NFL and Wells law firm Paul Weiss. They suggest that it would have been appropriate to be clearer about the nature of that relationship in a report that found no fault with the way the league handled the matter.

Such disclosures would help the public better assess the findings regarding League conduct, of which there is not a single critical comment or single suggestion for improvement in the report. No one should take calls for such disclosure personally.

It seems the same could be said of the Patriots level of disclosure when it comes to MacKinnon, something they acknowledged by updating their introduction to reflect the Kraft Groups passive investment in Flex Pharma as part of a syndicated investment group."


That's a problem with these little feel-good exercises like this morning, and Wells' the other day. There is more down than upside.
 

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Like I said, I'd be furious.  That's a far cry from claiming that there's a Patriot-specific rule book.  Lots of players and teams have been on the receiving end of unjust penalties.  This is hardly limited to New England.
 
Really?
 
If I called you an ass hat, please have faith that I don't think you literally have a hat for an ass.
 

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slamminsammya said:
My understanding is that firing McNally and Jastremski was part of an agreement with the NFL. Is that not the case?
I believe McNally and Jastremski were suspended indefinitely without pay, not fired.  
 

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Please point out the errors in his work.
It may be, and probably is, entirely unblemished ... But there is that too-cute, or too-sloppy, "no connection to the Patriots" when there was a connection to the Krafts.

Now if you don't see that as a potentially effective cross point given the noises the Pats are making, we're living in the equivalent of the Soviet Union and enjoying a splendid May Day parade.
 

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nolasoxfan said:
I believe McNally and Jastremski were suspended indefinitely without pay, not fired.  
 
 
They also conspired to steal team property, correct?  (When Schoenfeld or whomever wasn't around.)
 

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dcmissle said:
It may be, and probably is, entirely unblemished ... But there is that too-cute, or too-sloppy, "no connection to the Patriots" when there was a connection to the Krafts.
 
Exactly. I don't doubt the findings in the report, but saying it was completely unbiased and he had no connection to the Patriots was a lie.
 

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Kraft's unbiased scientific research was done by the co-founder of Flex Pharma, who happened to receive an investment from the Kraft Group before their IPO.
 
http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2015/01/29/boston-flex-pharma-raises-million-ipo/0veXJpe8wkcMM3M7GO5puK/story.html#
 
 
This is in the rebuttal: Prior to the company going public, the investment arm of The Kraft Group made a passive investment in Flex Pharma as part of a large syndicated investor group.
 
It also says he sought out the Patriots and offered his expertise.
 

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dcmissle said:
It may be, and probably is, entirely unblemished ... But there is that too-cute, or too-sloppy, "no connection to the Patriots" when there was a connection to the Krafts.

Now if you don't see that as a potentially effective cross point given the noises the Pats are making, we're living in the equivalent of the Soviet Union and enjoying a splendid May Day parade.
I mean if you can prove that the laws of science are subject to human beings knowing who one another are then you've got a Nobel waiting for you.
 

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GregHarris said:
They never addressed the lack of urinal!!!
 
It's an easy thing to misremember when you're trying to navigate pissing out of a taco-flavored flat thin triangle.
 

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The Pats firing these 2 guys would seem to indicate they're not afraid of what they would say. Instead it somehow is being interpreted as weakening their case?
 

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sodenj5 said:
 
Exactly. I don't doubt the findings in the report, but saying it was completely unbiased and he had no connection to the Patriots was a lie.
I think it probably was sloppiness rather than a deliberate falsehood. but that's what happens when you get caught up in extravaganzas like this morning's or Wells' press conference. Unforced errors.
 

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Bergs said:
 
It's an easy think to misremember when you're trying to navigate pissing out of a taco-flavored flat thin triangle.
 
 
JJ has the Dorito dink.  McNally's just fat.  (Maybe he couldn't see where he was pissing?)
 

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Harry Hooper said:
The Pats firing these 2 guys would seem to indicate they're not afraid of what they would say. Instead it somehow is being interpreted as weakening their case?
 
 
they are not fired... they are suspended and cannot work until the NFL reinstates them.... (the NFL itself not the pats)