Is Berman's possible reluctance to rule based on "hard case / bad law" and/or the lack of clarity in impartiality or who the aggrieved party is at all tied into the NFL's antitrust exemption?
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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One thing I keep thinking back to as this whole thing ridiculously unfolds is how Adam Silver was able to have a full on "I'm the man here" press conference, answer all reporters questions and subsequently follow through by ousting an owner -- while the 29 other owners never had to vote or even lift a finger -- while simultaneously raising the franchise values for all 30 of his teams. This was also an act that was applauded by his players and the union.
I know the circumstances are very different, but just judging a commissioners performance, I'm actually not sure the NFL owners are getting their money's worth, despite the money RG has made them.
I know the circumstances are very different, but just judging a commissioners performance, I'm actually not sure the NFL owners are getting their money's worth, despite the money RG has made them.
Seems like the only thing missing is that the fallen dude on the street should be TB12.Buster Olney the Lonely said:The Goodfellas talk got my creative juices flowing. In light of the fact that we're coming up on the 25th anniversary of its release.
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Report: Colts sweep for bugs in locker room when playing at Gillette Stadium http://wp.me/p14QSB-9PzV
Report: Colts sweep for bugs in locker room when playing at Gillette Stadium http://wp.me/p14QSB-9PzV
This, and people here also need to crank down the extent to which SDNY/2D Circuit judges are, or should be, intimidated by the big, bad NFL.dcmissle said:
These are guys and gals who regularly tell entities like the US government, or ExxonMobil, to go shit in their hat. A year's revenue for the NFL (the entity) and all of its franchises combined would be a bad quarter's writeoff for ExxonMobil, and would not register as a rounding error in the United States budget (plus the US government can, like, execute people, and start wars, and stuff).
How does a "scathing decision" materially help Brady and the PA? I can see how it is a PR victory over Goodell and the owners. Beyond that, though what has the PA won?singaporesoxfan said:
Further evidence that NFL players, coaches, and management take themselves far too seriously. "This is VALUABLE INFORMATION we're talking about in here! They're OBVIOUSLY going to WANT to listen in! SWEEP THE ROOM FOR BUGS!!!"soxhop411 said:
soxhop411 said:
This was already posted 5 pages ago, and still isn't relevant to Brady's suspension.
JayMags71 said:
It's not a great outcome. But given how important reputation seems to be as a motivator for Brady in this case, a PR victory is not trivial. To me, the "nightmare scenario" (which is what I was responding to) is losing both the legal and the PR battle.
tims4wins said:
Seriously, just settle with Brady for a small fine and give back the picks and we'll let this all go.
That's a reasonable answer. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing another tangible benefit.singaporesoxfan said:
It would appear that they are channeling Kravitz, again, for a riff on yesterday's story.Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt said:
This is so transparent it is funny. And remember, this is from the Al Capone music sheet -- they are really bad, and we have to get them for something.
The Colts are embarrassing themselves, even further. Is there anyone with a spine in that organization?
When you're paranoid that your partner is doing something unsavory, it's probably because you are doing it.
I bet the Colts are doing exactly what they're accusing the Patriots of doing.
I bet the Colts are doing exactly what they're accusing the Patriots of doing.
"What are we doing to fix the run defense, coach?"Tony C said:
"That's just what they expect us to do! We're going to surprise them by not fixing the run D at all!" :: cackles evilly :: "They'll never see it coming!"
cut to halftime
"HOW DID COULD THEY KNOW OUR PLANS ... unless ... CHECK THAT PLANT FOR BUGS!!!!"
Report: Despite the fact that Colts continue to sweep for bugs in locker room at Gillette Stadium, they STILL HAVEN'T FOUND ANY.soxhop411 said:
When the Colts listened to the bugs they planted in the Pats locker room they couldn't hear anything over the piped in crowd noise.FL4WL3SS said:
The lack of self-awareness within that organization is amazing. Yeah, there who are going to read this and think "Makes sense. The Patriots aren't beneath tapping the opposing locker room."
But there has to be a population - beyond Patriots fans - who would see this as evidence of a sore loser's behavior.
I really hope this was put out there as a joke.
But there has to be a population - beyond Patriots fans - who would see this as evidence of a sore loser's behavior.
I really hope this was put out there as a joke.
At some point the representation of the NFL has to be questioned as they appear to be receiving bad legal advice about the CBA and how it will play out in Court. They are 0-4 on these discipline issues - that almost falls squarely on legal counsel. We all know that Goodell didn't write that discipline opinion and was written by his lawyers with some input.
His lawyers orchestrated this entire investigation from beginning to end and they screwed it up despite having total control.
His lawyers orchestrated this entire investigation from beginning to end and they screwed it up despite having total control.
Sally Jenkins brings it again...
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While Goodell has sweeping powers to issue player discipline under the CBA, Berman made it clear he does not have the right to willfully misstate and mislead, gin up phony investigations based on pseudo-science, and then issue Draconian four-game suspensions simply because he’s furious Brady and the New England Patriots don’t say, “All hail to the emperor.”
“There has to be some basic process of fairness that needs to be followed,” Berman said"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/deflategate-judge-doesnt-seem-likely-to-rubber-stamp-roger-goodells-decisions/2015/08/21/034f8a26-4747-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html
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While Goodell has sweeping powers to issue player discipline under the CBA, Berman made it clear he does not have the right to willfully misstate and mislead, gin up phony investigations based on pseudo-science, and then issue Draconian four-game suspensions simply because he’s furious Brady and the New England Patriots don’t say, “All hail to the emperor.”
“There has to be some basic process of fairness that needs to be followed,” Berman said"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/deflategate-judge-doesnt-seem-likely-to-rubber-stamp-roger-goodells-decisions/2015/08/21/034f8a26-4747-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html
Gash Prex said:
The league has several top-flight law firms. I doubt any of them wakes up each morning with the goal of squashing the union (for the remainder of the CBA), or of solidifying Commissioner Goodell's power. These things tend to be client driven.
That is why the first thing any new law school graduate should say is "Mom, Dad, I love you and if you ever need a lawyer, I will refer you to the best one I can find." A great lawyer can do a great job and still lost because he had a shitty case. Don't represent friends or relatives, unless you don't want them to talk to you anymore.
Without knowing what advice was being given, it's hard to draw that -- or any -- conclusion as to the quality of legal advice. Or, for that matter, the content of the legal advice. The bolded, as a general proposition, is just flat wrong.
Going 0-4 with reputable counsel does not mean that you are getting bad trial representation. It means that you are not following the advice of your pre-trial representation.
Lester Munson bringing it again!
Wow, Berman took the case!?
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13479971/fooled-judge-deflategate-case-nfl-win-end-new-england-patriots-tom-brady
Wow, Berman took the case!?
Berman looks bad!
Convincing evidence!
Berman cannot vacate under American law!
And more!
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13479971/fooled-judge-deflategate-case-nfl-win-end-new-england-patriots-tom-brady
nighthob said:
Maybe they were looking for wascally wabbits.
"I know expecting balls not to deflate in cold weather defies the laws of physics, but, you see, I never studied law!"
So just as it is revealed that the judge is appealing to reasonable voices in the ownership community to tell Goodell to consider settlement, it is revealed that the Colts are so paranoid that they sweep the locker room for bugs. if this is Irsay's strategy to get the other owners to hold the line he better stop letting the Percocets and Grey Goose do his thinking for him.
How long before the majority of owners tell Irsay Biscotti and Woody that they would like to begin selling the 2015 season and stop trying to rewrite the 2014 season.
How long before the majority of owners tell Irsay Biscotti and Woody that they would like to begin selling the 2015 season and stop trying to rewrite the 2014 season.
That Lester Munson article looks like it was written by Daniel Nash and proof read by Jeffrey Pash.
gammoseditor said:
"nd on the convincing evidence gathered for the Wells report and described in surprisingly powerful terms in Goodell's decision."
Wow. Just wow.
What might be the most amazing part of all of this to me -- after seven months and millions spent and reputations tarnished and hours and hours of TV time spent discussing this scandal -- is that during the AFC championship game between the Patriots and the Colts, the only people who admittedly and undoubtedly fucked with any game balls were guys who worked for the NFL.
Harry Hooper said:
This is often how I picture Lester Munson in my head when he was practicing...
Joe D Reid said:
Exactly.
If it was the lawyers saying "Do X" and they turned out to be wrong not once, not twice, but three times, then the NFL would have shit-canned them for one of the other dozen top-flight firms in NYC.
It's clear that the NFL is saying "Damn the torpedoes!" at every juncture, regardless of whatever they may or may not be told by their lawyers. In fact, those same lawyers almost certainly have a lot of "What is our client thinking?" closed-door discussions over a bourbon at 9:00 PM.
and we would surely know if they'd found anything. ..paranoia which is the result of their ineffectiveness against New Englandtims4wins said:
No wonder why they have lost by an average of 25 points their last 4 games. That's one hell of an opioid induced paranoia.
I bet if the Colts ever found anything they would raise a banner for it.
I bet if the Colts ever found anything they would raise a banner for it.
drleather2001 said:
Are they, or is all part of a broad, deliberate strategy to assemble as many powers for the Commish over the hired help as you can?You may not win every tussle, in fact you could lose more often than win, but every win expands management's control a bit.