#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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djbayko

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
Yes I see the Twitter for the guy posting the screen caps. Where is Judge Berman posting them? Is this a social media thing or is he attaching them to the case file?
He meant read the tweet itself. It says he's posting them to the docket. Unless you have PACER access, you'll only see what lawyers let you see. He's not putting then on Instagram.
 

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Instantface made DC sports radio. Everyone thinks it's hilarious and compared it to Coach John Thompson's (the elder's) "Spacebook."
 

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Schefter flat out called Goodell a liar on ESPN Radio this morning.
 
"As vehement as the commissioner was in saying the league didn't tell the Patriots to suspend them, I am telling you just as vehemently that they did."
 

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See, to me, the act itself isn't nearly as bad as covering it up and lying about it. I'm sure the Commissioner would agree.
 

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Here is the 60 Minutes Sports report. Nothing new for us really, but the raw honesty and objectivity is almost exhilarating.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=510&v=gboZlE4YmO8
 

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Thanks for posting that.  I hadn't seen it.  It's great to see someone who wants the Pats to lose football games say that he initially believed the Wells Report but came to realize that it is deceitful and wrong. 
 

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gingerbreadmann said:
Here is the 60 Minutes Sports report. Nothing new for us really, but the raw honesty and objectivity is almost exhilarating.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=510&v=gboZlE4YmO8
 
Too bad Florio at NBC likely won't be posting a piece about this CBS product.
 
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gingerbreadmann said:
Here is the 60 Minutes Sports report. Nothing new for us really, but the raw honesty and objectivity is almost exhilarating.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=510&v=gboZlE4YmO8
 
My only gripe is that they didn't make it really clear that Anderson remembered using the logo gauge specifically.  That's pretty key to understanding the point about the fudging of the needle lengths.
 

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This was one of the dumbest things I read and I was about to post it.  Just based on the title I thought that Marshall was somehow saying that Brady got screwed because he's white (the CBS story doesn't include "reversal" in the title), since this was one of the worst snow jobs I've ever seen.  How in the world can someone claim that this incident proves that white players get preferential treatment?  Does he understand that Berman isn't an NFL employee?
 
I'm sure SAS will be all over this.
 

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Marshall's point is getting buried under quick-read analysis.
 
He breaks down player reaction into three categories -- based on conversations he has had with players across the league -- and says he has been told by players that, whatever the situation, white players (particularly quarterbacks) are given an unfair edge in judgment.
 
Marshall himself never says (in that story, at least) that HE believes that Brady's suspension was overturned because of race -- just that players he has spoken with believe race is a factor in almost every decision that is made.
 
We complain in here all the time about the "hot take" media and fans from other teams not bothering to deal in depth with the facts of a case. We should hold ourselves to the same standard
 

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E5 Yaz said:
Marshall's point is getting buried under quick-read analysis.
 
He breaks down player reaction into three categories -- based on conversations he has had with players across the league -- and says he has been told by players that, whatever the situation, white players (particularly quarterbacks) are given an unfair edge in judgment.
 
Marshall himself never says (in that story, at least) that HE believes that Brady's suspension was overturned because of race -- just that players he has spoken with believe race is a factor in almost every decision that is made.
 
We complain in here all the time about the "hot take" media and fans from other teams not bothering to deal in depth with the facts of a case. We should hold ourselves to the same standard
 
I didn't read the ESPN story.  I read the CBS one.  This is the exchange that was quoted:
 
"So you're telling me that there are players out there -- and I don't know if you believe this -- that there are players out there, that if this were Cam Newton, that his suspension would be upheld," Esiason said. "And he would be there, that the judge would see Cam Newton differently because of the color of his skin?"
 
Marshall's answer for Esiason?
 
"Well, when you look back at the history of this sport, you can build a case on that, yes," the Jets receiver said.
 
 
I'm not disputing your point.  I just wanted to add the context of my previous comment.
 

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You don't have to go back too far to find evidence supporting what Marshall is saying. Granted, it was for a more serious crime, but Adrian Peterson had his suspension upheld, as did Ray Rice (yes, by an arbitrator, but one who was also a former judge). Go back further and you find that Freeman McNeil was the lead plaintiff in a failed suit in 1992 that would've reshaped free agency.
 

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The point is that the NFL gave Brady a very harsh penalty, confirmed it, and fought like hell in court to sustain it.  Marshall is claiming there are race issues in the NFL when it comes to discipline.  If he wants to discuss race in the federal court system that's a different issue.  Brady certainly did not receive preferential treatment by the NFL here.
 

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What is more, the favorable outcome for Brady has zero to do with the League. It has everything to do with the federal judiciary. So it is nonsense.

I don't see how any reasonable person can lump a federal judge in with "da man" in these circumstances. And by the way -- AP and RR were sprung by two federal judges, one active the other retired and serving as arbitrator.
 

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Peak Oil Can Boyd said:
 
My only gripe is that they didn't make it really clear that Anderson remembered using the logo gauge specifically.  That's pretty key to understanding the point about the fudging of the needle lengths.
 
Well, the guy being interviewed said the ref remembered so it wasn't completely glossed over.
 

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I think his inelegantly put  point was that the NFL doesn't pursue conduct issues against white (quarterback) players as much as it does against black ones. Then Boomer heard it as applying to Berman's ruling and Marshall kind of trapped himself into answering in a way that made that an example. I don't think he meant it that way. I think he meant exactly what he initially said: that "some players around the country" (btw, he said both black and white players - and didn't specifically restrict it to currently active players) believe there is prejudice. I wonder if the editing of that segment was poor.
 
Anyway - he got trapped by his mouth/brain into saying something that I think went beyond his original intent. Or, conversely, maybe he really does believe they went after Brady because he was a white quarterback in order to make up for perceived injustices (by imposing a bigger injustice) but didn't get around to explaining that. 
 

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OnWisc said:
You don't have to go back too far to find evidence supporting what Marshall is saying. Granted, it was for a more serious crime, but Adrian Peterson had his suspension upheld, as did Ray Rice (yes, by an arbitrator, but one who was also a former judge). Go back further and you find that Freeman McNeil was the lead plaintiff in a failed suit in 1992 that would've reshaped free agency.
I am sure you can find a lot of evidence of racial bias in the NFL, but this is an awful example.  Peterson, Rice, lost in arbitration/league decisions and won when appealing to authorities outside of the NFL...same as Brady.    Brady was treated worse by the NFL than any other player for an equipment/ball violation in the history of the sport, In Rice's case the league gave him a ridiculous 2-game slap on the wrist initially and would have kept it at that without the public backlash.
 

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OnWisc said:
You don't have to go back too far to find evidence supporting what Marshall is saying. Granted, it was for a more serious crime, but Adrian Peterson had his suspension upheld, as did Ray Rice (yes, by an arbitrator, but one who was also a former judge). Go back further and you find that Freeman McNeil was the lead plaintiff in a failed suit in 1992 that would've reshaped free agency.
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AP won his case before Judge Doty, as did RR before Judge Barbara Jones, serving as arbitrator.
 

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Geo may be right.  However, "inelegantly" is putting it mildly.  A rational comment about race and the Brady incident would be something like this: The NFL has a history of treating black players worse than white players when it comes to disciplinary matters.  However, Brady's case was clearly an exception, as he was treated extremely unfairly despite the fact that he's a highly visible, high profile white player.
 
In other words, basically the exact opposite of what Marshall said.
 

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OnWisc said:
You don't have to go back too far to find evidence supporting what Marshall is saying. Granted, it was for a more serious crime, but Adrian Peterson had his suspension upheld, as did Ray Rice (yes, by an arbitrator, but one who was also a former judge).
 
Aren't you completely wrong on those?
 
I'm just going to drop 2 headlines in here:
 
Ray Rice wins appeal, eligible to sign
 
Adrian Peterson's suspension overturned on appeal
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
I think his inelegantly put  point was that the NFL doesn't pursue conduct issues against white (quarterback) players as much as it does against black ones.
 
Ray Lewis pleaded guilty to obstructing justice in a murder case and later paid off the families of the victims when they sued him.  (While ensuring that his depositions remained sealed.)  He didn't even get suspended by the league.
 
His point is not inelegant.  It's utter, complete bullshit.
 

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dcmissle said:
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AP won his case before Judge Doty, as did RR before Judge Barbara Jones, serving as arbitrator.
Hmmm. I guess in that case rather than supporting Marshall's contention about judges, recent high-profile events would seem to do just the opposite.
 

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Michael McCann ‏@McCannSportsLaw  3m3 minutes ago
Tom Brady attorney Jeffrey Kessler on @WEEI: "The NFL takes legal positions that nobody else believes in except for them."
 
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Tom Brady lawyer Jeff Kessler on @WEEI: "We got terrific testimony from Troy Vincent about how they didn't know what the Ideal Gas Law was."
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Tom Brady lawyer Jeff Kessler: "I was really surprised when lawyers from Ted Wells' firm showed up at arbitration hearing" representing NFL.Michael McCann ‏@McCannSportsLaw  11m
 
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Tom Brady lawyer Jeffrey Kessler: NFL's "unwillingness to comply with legal rules...has been the league's pattern in all of these cases."
 
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Tom Brady lawyer Jeffrey Kessler on @Weei just said "I'm not sure there is anything that would have caused [Goodell] to change his view."



 



 
 

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Everything Kessler says has merit. And to his great credit, during another interview, Kessler said he is no genius. He wish he could claim that, but he can't. The NFL just refuses to comply with CBA and basic rules of fairness.

It's a power grab coupled, in this case, with a mission against the Pats
 

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dcmissle said:
Everything Kessler says has merit. And to his great credit, during another interview, Kessler said he is no genius. He wish he could claim that, but he can't. The NFL just refuses to comply with CBA and basic rules of fairness.
 
It's really Belichickian for a genius to say something like that after a win, right?