#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I'm about an hour into the Stephanie Stradley podcast on Three Cone Drill. She is clearly a smart person who has spent much time considering the ramifications of the jurisprudence of the NFL front office. She is explaining things to people who aren't inherently stupid. What strikes me most is that these are very complex issues deeply layered and not readily grasped. Unless you're invested in this mess, like I have been, there is no chance you will peel that onion.
Sorry:ipol said:
I was making fun of people who never bothered to understand the legal aspects of the whole thing. Not you. For instance, last night on the broadcast, Mortenson made a crack that amounted to: "ah, the Berman decision never even talked about the facts of the case!" And his partner faked a snoring noise.
It was a perfect microcosm of the last 8 months, where even people who should take it upon themselves to actually understand what was going on said: "fuck it, too hard."
So, again, not someone that tries to get it. My comment was actually a fist bump.
So Marshall clarified his remarks saying that he was not opining on Judge Berman's decision to overturn Brady's suspension. Rather, he was merely discussing the preferential treatment shown to Brady (and other white players, especially QBs) by the NFL because he is white.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/13625356/brandon-marshall-new-york-jets-race-remarks-not-judge-richard-m-berman
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/13625356/brandon-marshall-new-york-jets-race-remarks-not-judge-richard-m-berman
I honestly thought that Keteyian's piece with Blackler was so powerful that it would substantially change how people thought about the entire episode. I was very fucking wrong. "Well, he's clearly not a scientist," was the most common response.
I suppose it's possible that Marshall came at this from an innocent perspective and simply folded under the pressure. But... I used the word "suppose" AND and ellipses.
ipol said:
Out of what, all 500 people who saw the interview on Showtime? Or are you going by Youtube comments?
AB in DC said:
Fair questions. Rationality is long gone. I want the Pats to enter every stadium to Darth Vader's theme.
I think you're missing my implicit commentary on the Patriots' paradigm shift of having all the players run out together as a team rather than have individual players be singled out.johnmd20 said:
May have been too subtle, but I take my Star Wars very seriously.
And well you should. For your edification, there is youtube loop of the Imperial March (reprimand accepted) that lasts ten hours. I stopped after 20 minutes.
If CBS had any balls, they would have run the Keteyian's DFG piece on the "real" 60 Minutes, with some promotion, to millions in prime-time, rather than bury it on Showtime. But they do have an interest in not poking the bear too hard or publicly.AB in DC said:
There is no Rev said:May have been too subtle, but I take my Star Wars very seriously.
But not seriously enough to have owned the Empire Strikes Back soundtrack? (Side 2, Track 1)
(Not that I don't like your ultimate point -- "choosing to be introduced as an Empire" and all that. But I also take my Star Wars (too) seriously.
Rolling Stone article on us, you know... Pats' fans. It features our own Chad Finn. And John Dowd's opening remarks are great.
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/the-persecution-of-patriots-nation-20150910
http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/the-persecution-of-patriots-nation-20150910
That article is only okay. It doesn't point out that the Wells report dismissed the refs best recollection of which gauge he used, that the numbers from when the Colts measured the balls on the sideline was in line with where science would expect them to be (not to mention that it was against the rules for the Colts to measure them in the first place), and the rest of the flawed science. I also disagree that most Patriots fans think Brady did something.riboflav said:
This provision didn't prevent Harbaugh from accusing the Patriots of running illegal plays after the AFC Divisional Game. It's a joke. This is the NFL Roger Goodell has created where whiners and crybabies are rewarded.jacklamabe65 said:
Well then just start a thread. "Who is the biggest baby, Harbaugh or Tomlin?" Don't get bitter -- have fun with it.
It's hilarious really. I have had a front row seat to the testosterone competition between those two teams for 20 years. The mythology is awesome -- we hate each other but we respect each other because we are (the only) manly men playing big boy football.
Yet these two are the biggest crybabies you ever will see -- and it's particularly ridiculous in Tomlin's case because the Pats have consistently curb stomped his teams, sometimes by huge margins, and often after some punk on the Steelers gets mouthy pre-game
It's hilarious really. I have had a front row seat to the testosterone competition between those two teams for 20 years. The mythology is awesome -- we hate each other but we respect each other because we are (the only) manly men playing big boy football.
Yet these two are the biggest crybabies you ever will see -- and it's particularly ridiculous in Tomlin's case because the Pats have consistently curb stomped his teams, sometimes by huge margins, and often after some punk on the Steelers gets mouthy pre-game
Oh it is awesome being in Pittt. Any rational response to their cheating accusations is met with some variation of 'well we have 6 super bowls'. Ok sure and how were the steroids back then? Also, you were born the 80s and didnt see the 70s.
But the Steelers - Ravens is the toughest of the tough competition. These days I hope Bane actually does show up and destroy Heinz during the game.
But the Steelers - Ravens is the toughest of the tough competition. These days I hope Bane actually does show up and destroy Heinz during the game.
Spot on. And I wonder if contempt for the brainy, precise, strategy driven side of the Pats approach, by the blustering, "smash-mouth football" crowd, is driving some of this idiotic whining/ resentment of them. I've actually encountered otherwise intelligent fans of other teams who deride the Pats for having to resort to "trickery" in order to win, rather than just physically beating teams. It echoes some of the sniping that used to be directed at the 49ers of the 80's and 90's for being a "finesse" team. In both cases it's complete horeshit. The Niners at their core were a very tough, plenty physical team. As have been the Pats during most of this run.dcmissle said:
And it's nonsense because I've seen some amazing display of guts from Pats players, starting with pretty boy Tom. It's funny how narratives get written. Floyd and RJJ both fought with broken hands, Ali was ballsy as hell, but they get labeled as brainy or finesse fighters.
I've also wondered if the perception of/dislike of the Pats nationally as "brainy" and effete is colored by their home.
You know, where all the sissy pointy head pantywaist libruls are from, who aren't real Muricans.
Do the Pats play differently nationally if based in Texas? Probably, at the margins.
You know, where all the sissy pointy head pantywaist libruls are from, who aren't real Muricans.
Do the Pats play differently nationally if based in Texas? Probably, at the margins.
Unless being physical and aggressive is the way through which they are cheating. If it's convenient to the narrative of unfairness, they'll cry about the Pats roughing up receivers and Rodney Harrison decapitating people down the middle of the field.cornwalls@6 said:
Yes, I think this is very much part of it, underscored by Belichick's Wesleyan background.OilCanShotTupac said:
I also fear that you can go even further with this point and say that part of the hostility to the Pats is coded antisemitism.
dcmissle said:
Robert Kraft is, though, and I'd have sworn there were issues from some Globe reporters about this mentioned at times, though I was never sure if those were for real.
It is absolutely in part because Belichick is "smart" and a guy who never played real football. That and Brady being a pretty boy.
These are supposed to be the type of guys that FOOTBALL PLAYERS stuff into lockers, not lose games to.
These are supposed to be the type of guys that FOOTBALL PLAYERS stuff into lockers, not lose games to.
To my mind, it is also the way the paranoid anxiety about the Patriots cheating seems to follow along the lines of some traditional antisemitic tropes as well.
And yeah, you can't get higher level in the organization than Kraft.
And yeah, you can't get higher level in the organization than Kraft.
Yeah, Oscar always had that reputation too because he was handsome even though that dude fought everyone and was in real battles.
Well Lurie is Jewish too, and today he cannot swear that the Eagles were not cheated out of a Super Bowl.
I buy that there is a pretty strong anti-intellectual component to this, but equating that with anti-Semitism is sort of eyebrow raising in an unintentional way.
I buy that there is a pretty strong anti-intellectual component to this, but equating that with anti-Semitism is sort of eyebrow raising in an unintentional way.
Bill Walsh and John Madden played their college football at the College of San Mateo, with Walsh later transferring to a slightly higher profile college. Both were very bright coaches. Walsh is often regarded as a synonym for genius.drleather2001 said:
This is a new phenomenon in my view. No highly accomplished NFL team has ever been subject to this crap. With the exception of the Raiders, for other reasons.
It is obviously more than anti-intellectualism when teams relentlessly accuse the Patriots of cheating, when the stadium is routinely called a 'Bermuda triangle' and when the Patriots are accused of breaking rules that are not even rules but, as Roethlisberger claimed, are unwritten rules. What the fuck is that exactly?
This is also not just regionalism either, it is something more.
This is also not just regionalism either, it is something more.
The something else is Belichick, and the envy/resentment his success combined with his, let's face it, fairly arrogant and disdainful demeanor at times, engenders. He's made more than a couple of enemies in the media and the around the league. And fine with me, screw most of those thin-skinned babies. But I really think anti-semitism is a major reach.
Well it's not antisemitism for fucks sake.
This is just the point where we have devolved as a society. When someone is better than you it's not because they've worked harder or prepared better, it's because they've cheated, or have compromising pictures, or were handed things, or performed sexual favors. I hear it at work all the time when someone gets a promotion. The sexual favors part mostly. And with the facial hair on some of these guys I would think a blowjob would be reason for demotion.
Edit: devolved not evolved.
This is just the point where we have devolved as a society. When someone is better than you it's not because they've worked harder or prepared better, it's because they've cheated, or have compromising pictures, or were handed things, or performed sexual favors. I hear it at work all the time when someone gets a promotion. The sexual favors part mostly. And with the facial hair on some of these guys I would think a blowjob would be reason for demotion.
Edit: devolved not evolved.
It is jealousy bordering on blind rage. We've learned that football probably has become more important than it should be, with far too many people deriving their sense of self worth from their teams' performance. And in an era in which the deck is stacked so heavily in favor of pariity, the success the Pats have earned is unbearable to lots of fans of other teams.
Particularly when it is attributable in large part to being smart. We've learned, sadly, that most football fans are not very smart and that their professed concern for the integrity of the game is a joke. They would happily have their players jacked up on PEDs once commonly given to race horses.
Particularly when it is attributable in large part to being smart. We've learned, sadly, that most football fans are not very smart and that their professed concern for the integrity of the game is a joke. They would happily have their players jacked up on PEDs once commonly given to race horses.
I think a lot of this has to do with expectations. Peyton was supposed to be the Chosen One of this generation, and Brady's rise threw a gigantic monkey wrench into every football writers' and followers' expectations. Belichick was not particularly successful in Cleveland, at least record-wise. When these cheating stories come out, it raises the eyebrows of those who wonder why the collective meteoric rises occurred.