#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Vincent's a fucking idiot with only the slightest grasp on the English language so who knows what he means but that reads like they didn't actually test any balls at any point.
Yeah, reads as if they either didn't measure the footballs or they measured the footballs and didn't like the results.
Guy is a moron, but smart enough to completely ignore the question regarding if any balls were under 12.5
Guy is a moron, but smart enough to completely ignore the question regarding if any balls were under 12.5
In other words, they are positioning themselves that the fact that the ideal gas doesn't matter and the Patriots' penalities are not for the underinflation, but the process issues where McNally took the balls without explicit approval and went into the bathroom with them where evidence shows he tampered with the balls even if there was no substantial deflation at the time. This would be a ridiculous argument since the Wells report went to great lengths to "explain" that the balls could not have ended at the PSI they were. Taking the ideal gas law out of play as a defense removes the most conclusive evidence that nothing happened to the balls and shuts down any talk of giving back the picks. (Of course, Vincent is a known idiot and is probably still unaware of the IGL and isn't calculating enough to go with that as a plan.)
Let's not pretend that Troy Vincent is making any decisions of consequence with regard to this case and how it has been or was handled.
Edit: to RIFan
Edit: to RIFan
Oh I agree with you, a far more devious and calculating person would couch everything they say in regards to this whole nightmare. Vincent is not that person. He is speaking from a cue card with instructions not to make things worse.
Thank god they didn't "randomly" audit the Pats game against the Chiefs when the refs forgot them at the hotel, didn't notice until an hour after the time they were supposed to check it and had the State Police escort go get them. INTEGRITY!
So after making a huge deal out of ball pressure, they didn't even follow their own revised procedures...in Year 1?
Let's make no mistake, Troy Vincent and the NFL know exactly what they are doing
Let's make no mistake, Troy vinc....
I don't ever have the heart to full Rugio the guy.
Let's make no mistake, Troy vinc....
I don't ever have the heart to full Rugio the guy.
Two misspellings and a misquote. You're St. Patty's Day drunk, aren't you?
They don't want to know, and they certainly don't want to create an evidentiary trail that will unmask them as the fools that we know them to be.
Right, so they should have been a bit smarter about how they designed their new procedure. I thought there was no way they would deviate from it, given the attention. They even gave themselves an out by saying it would only be done in randomly selected games, but they can't even admit to following that much.
Where did he say that they didn't test the psi? My read is that they are very specifically speaking to the procedures here in order to make a statement about no violations. They can say that and be truthful. They just aren't being terribly honest about it not pertaining to psi as the vast majority would read it. We all know what the psi readings indicated and 1 we won't get the numbers and 2 they won't address it.
Never ascribe to alcohol what is perfectly explained by stupidity. But I appreciate the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, he didn't say they didn't test the PSI, but we're pointing out how transparently deceptive all of their statements are. If all they have to do to make sure that there are no violations is have a ball handling procedure, then there would be no need to randomly test the balls at halftime.
There was also a ball handling procedure in place last year, and that (allegedly) didn't prevent misconduct.
Oh good, new fuel for the "Belichick is arrogant" fire. The NFL doesn't want to be overshadowed by a silly basketball tournament on the 11pm Sportscenter.
Sports Hub reporting that Kraft, speaking at the owners meetings, has indicated that he has asked the league for the picks back
I'm not waiting for the seas to part:
@kguregian Kraft didn't say if Goodell responded to his letter: "we're moving on from that"
After speaking briefly about the NE's offseason so far, Kraft mentions the letter:
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlbyYlgRxL
Edit: Volin gets credit for uploading this quickly. Now just -998 in brownie points.
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlbyYlgRxL
Edit: Volin gets credit for uploading this quickly. Now just -998 in brownie points.
Was he standing in the potted plant? Couldn't they have all stepped back and allowed him to move forward a bit?
Max Stendahl @MaxLaw360 43s44 seconds ago
JUST IN: NFL lawyer Paul Clement writes letter to 2nd Circuit denying that he made false statements during Deflategate appeal hearing
JUST IN: NFL lawyer Paul Clement writes letter to 2nd Circuit denying that he made false statements during Deflategate appeal hearing
Ummm... I'd like to see that letter to see the hoops and loops he parsed his sentence about Tom not talking about ball inflation with Jastremski through.
If he has to defend himself to thr 2nd circuit against the allegations, does that means it has enough legs to potentially damage his case?
Only the judges themselves know how much weight they will give it, but by definition, it has that potential.
Writing a letter explaining that the portion of your argument that was clearly fabricated wasn't really a lie is not a good look.
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Here is a tweet with the letter in it.
Blecker got under his skin a bit. Surprising, but not unexpected when someone calls you a liar.
Blecker got under his skin a bit. Surprising, but not unexpected when someone calls you a liar.
This whole thing is just an exercise in finding out how many ways the league and its lawyers can parse language to the point that it's meaningless.
Isn't there a huge difference between the conversations "exclusively" about ball prep and "primarily" about ball prep considering it's one of the reasons he's being punished becauseRoger didn't find it credible that Brady would talk "exclusively" about it when he never said that. Isn't that the entire argument Blecker (among others) made? Doesn't seem like an immaterial distinction there.
How did Blecker get his hands on the confidential note from Goldberg to Clement? Was it filed with the court as a normal course of business or did someone on the Pats feed it to him?
Per Goodell's press conference this morning:
@AlbertBreer Roger Goodell said he responded to Pats owner Robert Kraft's letter two weeks ago -- "There'll be no changes to the discipline."
Yeah, seriously, go fuck off.
@AlbertBreer Roger Goodell said he responded to Pats owner Robert Kraft's letter two weeks ago -- "There'll be no changes to the discipline."
Yeah, seriously, go fuck off.
Does anyone really believe Goodell would hedge an inch on his bad science with the Brady litigation still in process? He's not going to voluntarily admit he wasted $12m of the owners money. No shock here.
I honestly view him as a conduit to what all the owners are telling him behind closed doors.
Goodell is awful by association, but the other 31 owners letting this happen for no reason other than they're sore losers is the real problem.
If all 31 stood up and asked, "Roger, did IGL prove to be a factor in football PSI levels in 2015?"
And Goodell responds, "Yes."
And the owners said, "Then they didn't do anything wrong, let's not ruin competitive balance in the league because of a false accusation."
This wouldn't be an issue anymore.
The other owners want to penalize the Patriots because they've been too good for too long. That's at the root of what's happening here. These DG team sanctions need to be referred to as "Excessive Dominance Sanctions." That's what they are; it has really little to do with Goodell at the end of the day. He's just a puppet; a figurehead. We can't lose track of how important it is to realize that.
Goodell is awful by association, but the other 31 owners letting this happen for no reason other than they're sore losers is the real problem.
If all 31 stood up and asked, "Roger, did IGL prove to be a factor in football PSI levels in 2015?"
And Goodell responds, "Yes."
And the owners said, "Then they didn't do anything wrong, let's not ruin competitive balance in the league because of a false accusation."
This wouldn't be an issue anymore.
The other owners want to penalize the Patriots because they've been too good for too long. That's at the root of what's happening here. These DG team sanctions need to be referred to as "Excessive Dominance Sanctions." That's what they are; it has really little to do with Goodell at the end of the day. He's just a puppet; a figurehead. We can't lose track of how important it is to realize that.
But I think he's been so adamant about protecting the "process" they used because other owners are telling him, "Stick it to Kraft this time! We don't care about scientific evidence, we just KNOW they cheated!" And because Kraft is only 1 of 32, Goodell is going to do what'll please the other 31 before giving a damn about Kraft, The Patriots, or their fans. That's how he keeps his job forever.
It's gutless, but it's Corporate America at its finest.
It's gutless, but it's Corporate America at its finest.
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There really is a Globe Spotlight story here waiting to be launched that will be both fascinating and damning. Someday this will all surface, and the truth will prevail.
I think its the opposite. I think the owners for large part, don't have this issue at the top of their radar. Those that do are more than happy for Roger to take bullets for the NFL. They truly don't give a shit about something that doesn't effect their franchise and they're not even aware enough to realize they could be next. I think if enough owners really understood the IGL, the investigation, etc., they would be slowly forming a voice of reason and pressuring Goodell to get it right. It's not happening and the fact that a bunch of billionaires don't give a shit is the main reason.