#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Well now a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors and stuff will come out that will be impossible to prove true or false but will make E5 Yaz cry.soxhop411 said:
jimbobim said:
I guess Sunday's embarrassment wasn't enough for them. It's amazing how poor a handle other teams have over their players.
Everyone who's having a hard time with this should put an * to all the Celtics banners for all the shit Red used to pull.
And might as well put one on Rodgers' SB and Jimmy Johnson's too. Plus every team that ever had a player suspended for PEDs.
For fuck's sake.
And might as well put one on Rodgers' SB and Jimmy Johnson's too. Plus every team that ever had a player suspended for PEDs.
For fuck's sake.
Most of the responsibility for a false start that the refs don't flag is on the refs, yes?bowiac said:
Sports have many enforcers on the field to enforce the rules. This is not the criminal justice system.
Rico Guapo said:
All kickers home and away kick from the SAME supply of K balls which are under control of a uniformed official on the sideline. Not sure what the Ravens kickers would have to complain about...
I don't care if the Patriots cheated. I hope they're doing lots more stuff and not getting caught. I am in this because I grew up in a part of the country that bonds me with other people who grew up in that part of the country, and we all root for the same overpaid, entitled millionaires, and it is fun as hell.
Honor, integrity, legacy -- whatever. Really don't care. There is only my team of millionaires, and that bond with the rest of you, and the joy we will feel when the people who aren't in our stupid little club don't get to celebrate with us. That is what sports is, and I don't need it to be anything else.
Honor, integrity, legacy -- whatever. Really don't care. There is only my team of millionaires, and that bond with the rest of you, and the joy we will feel when the people who aren't in our stupid little club don't get to celebrate with us. That is what sports is, and I don't need it to be anything else.
soxin6 said:
Come the freak on. 11 of 12 balls were underinflated. If anyone thinks BB wasn't responsible for that they are kidding themselves. That man is in charge of everything! I just keep thinking "he didn't need to do it.". Brilliant man, awesome quarterback, subpar team they were facing, fuck they didn't need to do this!
Thank god for the mute button.Captaincoop said:
Maybe I'm just naive but Belichick can't be this stupid after what happened with Spygate. My guess is there's something else at work here, whether negligence, referee failure, or the "everyone does it line" ( which I find to be likely after Rodgers quote earlier today).
And I understand that, believe me I do. I just don't care. People made up their minds about the patriots a long time ago and they were going to labeled guilty regardless of whether they broke the rules or not. All this does, for me, is add another layer to how sweet it will be if the Patriots win number 4 and we get to watch the other 31 fanbases rain down upon us with righteous fury.genoasalami said:
We under inflated balls, so fucking what? We aren't the first team to circumvent the rules to gain an advantage, we won't be the last, and this would be a non-story if the team involved wasn't the pats. I don't have the energy or desire to constantly defend my team against this sort of crap so I just embrace it. It's far less stressful and far more fun for me.
I'm not saying that's how everyone should be, I apologize if I am making it seem that way. It's just how I go about handling it.
I still don't see this as much of a crime. It is the ball pressure. It is not even analogous to a spitball.
Pretty much this. I don't see a lot of time on the Broncos Americas Game recap devoted to salary cap shenanigans. Like I obviously wish this didn't happen, and we will see just how bad it is when the whole story comes out, but the proper remedy is a slap on the wrist for a slap on the wrist offense.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
And here I was enjoying the Gronk twitter pic and the Wilfork joke on the Onion, fairly confident that this would eventually die a well-deserved death...dammit.
Honestly this feels a bit like how I discounted the initial Hernandez murder allegations because I didn't think anyone could be that comically inept...right up until he proved otherwise.
This had better not be some kind of elaborate, intentional skirting of the rules. Even for BB that is just too unecessarily devious and stupid.
Honestly this feels a bit like how I discounted the initial Hernandez murder allegations because I didn't think anyone could be that comically inept...right up until he proved otherwise.
This had better not be some kind of elaborate, intentional skirting of the rules. Even for BB that is just too unecessarily devious and stupid.
Sorry if this is dumb, but underinflated by 2 psi vis a vis what? Average? The minimum acceptable amount?
Hope this doesn't affect refereeing in the SB to favor the Seahawks.
Hope this doesn't affect refereeing in the SB to favor the Seahawks.
For your next act, please tell me what tomorrow's lottery numbers are. For fucks sake, at least wait until there's more substance than a handful of 140 character descriptions out there.E5 Yaz said:
If there's one thing on Earth that Bob Kraft understands, it's the importance of protecting a brand. BB's new nickname will be Fredo thisfast if anything that can be labelled Spygate 2 comes of this.TheMoralBully said:
He also values continuity in his businesses. Point being, despite the articles you've read, you have no idea what Bob Kraft truly understands and values.P'tucket said:
Well except for the post I quoted. In which you used a definitive statement to predict fan sentiment two years down the line.E5 Yaz said:
this is sorta where I'm at. If the refs ultimately have no responsibility if an underinflated ball is put into play then why even "have them available" for testing before the game?crystalline said:
Because this deals with a minor issue in a game that is a lot more difficult to latch onto in the grand scheme of cheating than taping opposing teams signals.JimD said:
In all seriousness, what could the league actually do if it was found that the Patriots somehow reduced the psi in 11 out of 12 footballs after inspection? It is pretty clear that they would have won regardless (as the 28-0 2nd half suggests).....but could they do anything beyond draft picks and a suspension? It is late and the fear thoughts swirling can get a little out of hand, but what is the worst case?Comfortably Lomb said:
So, this has been known since Sunday. The league has known. The Patriots have known. Why the fuck didn't the league just release its findings when it had them and let the Pats respond? Why have someone in the league blab to Mort on a Tuesday night?
Mortensen said 11 of 12 balls were under inflated, then someone else said the refs inflated the balls at half time, so when were they measured?
kenneycb said:
It's a minor issue, yes, but it is not more difficult to grasp when they underinflate the ball.
steveluck7 said:
Because no one really cared about this before this. Someone made the rule and no one cared or paid any attention to it. But now the Patriots are involved.
Yikes!!
While I honestly believe there is zero chance of the Pats victory over the Colts being vacated (Wilbon is truly an idiot), the ramifications of the story could get ugly, especially if the Pats tampered with the balls on the sideline, or if there was any sort of attempt to deflect the NFL's investigation.
Best case is that the NFL announces a fine tomorrow; the media will get worked up about it, but then SB coverage will eventually turn towards the actual game on the field.
While I honestly believe there is zero chance of the Pats victory over the Colts being vacated (Wilbon is truly an idiot), the ramifications of the story could get ugly, especially if the Pats tampered with the balls on the sideline, or if there was any sort of attempt to deflect the NFL's investigation.
Best case is that the NFL announces a fine tomorrow; the media will get worked up about it, but then SB coverage will eventually turn towards the actual game on the field.
Nobody has a fucking clue as to what Spygate was about other than THE CHEATRIOTS!!! This would shine that perception to a high gloss, regardless of how minor you judge it to be.kenneycb said:
Captaincoop said:
That's a good question. I guess I accept that as part and parcel of being the NFL. Honestly, I do.
But even in a league where that happens, that's never going to create the uproar as a team that allegedly does something to circumvent the on-field rules. As Mike Reiss wrote tonight, if the Patriots are found to have done this intentionally, they need to be held accountable ... regardless of how minor a rule it is.
Should wins be voided or BB fired or they not be allowed to play in the Super Bowl? Of course not; that's lunacy. But it also would be wrong to brush it aside as if they did nothing wrong. Whether we like it or not, the Patriots are in the crosshairs of those who watch the NFL and are not their fans.
Everything is intentional.
Honestly, I'm coming around to this. I've gone through my five stages pretty quickly. We're on to Seattle. And I hope it's another edge that the Pats find to keep the upper hand.
Honestly, I'm coming around to this. I've gone through my five stages pretty quickly. We're on to Seattle. And I hope it's another edge that the Pats find to keep the upper hand.
The simplest explanation, to me, is that they inflated the balls by feel and got them to where Brady liked them -- and he has admitted publicly that he prefers under inflation. Then they didn't measure the exact inflation because it is almost never an issue and no one gives a fuck. Basically, exactly what Rogers does, but underinflated. This would explain why they are all uniformly under inflated.
Everyone here seems to think that they measured all the balls to 10.5 PSI and tried to slip it by everyone. That would be insane (and wrong and embarrassing).
I dunno, if that's what happened -- that they got the balls to Brady's preferred feel, the refs saw they were under at halftime, it was fixed and then we went on to outscore them 28-0, I just can't get worked up about this.
Everyone here seems to think that they measured all the balls to 10.5 PSI and tried to slip it by everyone. That would be insane (and wrong and embarrassing).
I dunno, if that's what happened -- that they got the balls to Brady's preferred feel, the refs saw they were under at halftime, it was fixed and then we went on to outscore them 28-0, I just can't get worked up about this.
I agree with you on this ball nonsense. I kind of don't see how it can be proven, though, unless a real test was done prior to kickoff.E5 Yaz said: