Mooch said:
From the same article. Check this out:
So the only football that was more than 1 PSI under the limit is the one handled by the Colts equipment people prior to the ref test. God, this can't get any better!
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From the same article. Check this out:
So the only football that was more than 1 PSI under the limit is the one handled by the Colts equipment people prior to the ref test. God, this can't get any better!
Ed Hillel said:
The same Mike Westhoff fined by the league in 2010 for making false accusations about the Pats...and who was associated with the Jets illegal off-field blocking of players during special teams plays.
When it comes to NFL ethics, Mike Westhoff lacks standing to comment on anyone else
THAT would be absolutely freaking amazing...and AWESOME. I just can't look away from this train wreck of within the rules vs gamesmanship-meets-cheating-meets-ineptness.... the real question is which people belong in which category.
Ed Hillel said:
If this was a sting and the Pats didn't break any rules yet got dragged through this bs is there any type of precidence to suing the nfl? I can't believe I'm asking for it, but if it truly was a vendetta by people in the nfl offices and other teams with an axe to grind let them have it. Kraft must be beyond pissed privately, can't imagine he'll support El Incompitente much going forward.
Mooch said:
As predicted yesterday post BB press conference, the story is turning towards 'impact on Pats' now
The Pats PR team was simply brilliant yesterday.
BWHAHAHAH! The Colts tampered with the football. I love it! This story is just going to keep getting better and better.
Btw, Kraft has played this perfectly thus far. "Yes, Mr. Goodell, we will fully cooperate. Yes, please take all communication and recording devices. Cannot wait to see what you uncover."
Btw, Kraft has played this perfectly thus far. "Yes, Mr. Goodell, we will fully cooperate. Yes, please take all communication and recording devices. Cannot wait to see what you uncover."
I said it before and I'll say it again. I'm gonna be laughing the hell out loud by the time this is over.
There isn't any precedent for forfeited draft picks being awarded to another team--am I wrong?Ed Hillel said:
Is there any precedent for a team actively schemibg to get another team to lose draft picks?MarcSullivaFan said:
There wasn't any precedent for a team going through a week of cheating accusation for an underinflated football either.MarcSullivaFan said:
Mooch said:
Florio also going all-in on the fact that it WAS an NFL sting operation, apparently run by a former Jets guy with a history of antagonism toward the Patriots:
It is really greatbougrj1 said:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=855130201194798
his social media team is outstanding
Guys, guys. We now have 1 ball at 2 under due to Colts cheating and 10 balls at 1 under due to the weather.
What did the Patriots do to the 12th ball so that it was different from the rest??? #inflategate
What did the Patriots do to the 12th ball so that it was different from the rest??? #inflategate
Story list from espn.com home page
Anything missing?
- Duke vs. SJU: Coach K seeks 1,000th win
- Banks died after heart attack, family says
- NFL warns Seahawks about Lynch gesture
- Sources: Transfer Iverson enrolls at URI
- Chip Ganassi Racing wins record 6th Rolex 24
- Vonn extends WC record with 64th victory
- Waiters: Not scapegoat for Cavs' early issues
- SVG on Jennings injury: 'Doesn't look good'
- Coach K to Uncle Sam: Plumlee to join Army
- Sources: NHL mulls Ryder Cup-style tourney
- Joyner: How Pats can exploit Seahawks' D
Anything missing?
I don't see the probability of the Colts tampering with the ball to be likely. I think the simplest answer, and the one BB referenced in the PC to be the most likely situation. Every ball is different, and we don't know specifically what they were inflated to pregame, so one being 1.8 under the 12.5 and one being 1.1 could just be a product of initial inflation and ball differences. Going down the "Colts tampered with the ball" road seems to just add another conspiracy that creates the same media hype that has brought us to where we are at.
Hendu At The Wall said:
It's still not clear whether the 12th ball was thrown in the stands and lost, correct?
I found zen yesterday when it became clear to me beyond question that this was a phony scandal. I started to have confidence that somebody, anybody of stature would recognize that all you need is high school science to provide not only a plausible scenario but the actual explanations for what happened. I expect this person to proclaim beyond doubt the Pats' innocence and come down hard on the NFL.
ZERO evidence against the Pats plus their story is supported by science. What more could one possibly need?
Yet here we are and all we have is 1 national writer proclaiming innocence and the guy is from fucking Forbes. Further, he hasn't even mentioned how the balls didn't need to be under-inflated from the get go or how the Colts balls didn't need to behave the same way. Even the level headed and thorough Kyed has not come out strong on these points
It's frustrating but I'm still waiting for the Pats to be exonerated, the tide to turn on the NFL and that tide to turn into a tsunami that puts Goddell on his heels.
Ok that last part is wishful thinking but anything less than full exoneration prior to kickoff of the super bowl is a crime.
ZERO evidence against the Pats plus their story is supported by science. What more could one possibly need?
Yet here we are and all we have is 1 national writer proclaiming innocence and the guy is from fucking Forbes. Further, he hasn't even mentioned how the balls didn't need to be under-inflated from the get go or how the Colts balls didn't need to behave the same way. Even the level headed and thorough Kyed has not come out strong on these points
It's frustrating but I'm still waiting for the Pats to be exonerated, the tide to turn on the NFL and that tide to turn into a tsunami that puts Goddell on his heels.
Ok that last part is wishful thinking but anything less than full exoneration prior to kickoff of the super bowl is a crime.
YTF said:
Once again, this is great for the NFL. Its amazing how many people fail to see this. There is controversy and drama except this time it doesn't involve concussions, CTE, domestic violence, ugly locker-room behavior or murder (all stuff that generated far fewer clicks and eye-balls than this "scandal"). Your mother in law, the Uber driver, the folks at the office who cannot name a single NFL player not named Aaron Rogers or Peyton Manning are all talking about this leading up to the league's signature event.
The storyline is set - the Seahawks, a trash-talking but hard playing team led by the squeaky clean QB, Russell Wilson and his affable, clean-living coach Pete Carroll versus the villainous, cheating, evil-genius Bill Belichick and the looks-so-good-he-has-to-be-bad QB Tom Brady. Not one of these folks who are essentially novices know about Carroll's sordid history with USC or his practice rule violations nor do they care. And the NFL is going to let this one play out because it does one thing well which is market itself and this is good marketing.
Anyone expecting this to be clarified or the investigation results to come out this week is going to be disappointed. If what Belichick said was accurate, it clearly calls into question how the refs inspected the balls submitted by the Patriots - what the NFL won't do is throw their officials under the bus before the Superbowl. Instead, they will let this story play itself out all week because despite the fact that there are far more important issues around the globe, all people want to talk about is how the Patriots cheated their way into another Superbowl (unless you are a Pats fan or a rational person). This is fucking bread and circus to the max except nobody is dying and no women are being savagely beaten in a casino elevator. The Shield loves this.
ESPN's testicles. They're in a jar on BB's mantle.E5 Yaz said:Story list from espn.com home page
- Duke vs. SJU: Coach K seeks 1,000th win
- Banks died after heart attack, family says
- NFL warns Seahawks about Lynch gesture
- Sources: Transfer Iverson enrolls at URI
- Chip Ganassi Racing wins record 6th Rolex 24
- Vonn extends WC record with 64th victory
- Waiters: Not scapegoat for Cavs' early issues
- SVG on Jennings injury: 'Doesn't look good'
- Coach K to Uncle Sam: Plumlee to join Army
- Sources: NHL mulls Ryder Cup-style tourney
- Joyner: How Pats can exploit Seahawks' D
Anything missing?
It finally seems like we may be reaching the point where everyone realizes that enthusiastically watching the Prime Minister shag a pig is no longer fun but rather a poignant commentary on the sad and twisted avenues of modern entertainment.
amarshal2 said:
I don't know that I would call it Zen, but up until yesterday I found it hard to be excited for the game.
Now? I don't think i've ever been more pumped for a game in my life.
Disgusting article.Mooch said:
No. What has allowed the perception of cheating to linger is a media that is hell-bent on making affirmations without confirmation. Such as here, here, here, here, here, and here. Those links comprise six articles written by Florio since the NFL released the statement, where all six articles either imply or outright accuse the patriots of cheating (one of which is related to the legal substitiutions during the BAL game).
Yup, which is why the media is more than happy to join in on the rain-making circus parade.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Investor 11 said:
All the science so far indicates that a 1 PSI differential is pretty easy to achieve even without the effects of pre-inspection ball rubbing. Accordingly, if the only ball which falls outside that range is one handled by Colts personnel, at a minimum this calls into question whether it's a reliable data point. The fact that it also shines an accusatory spotlight on the original instigators is just pure Win.
Let's not be ridiculous. Even BB has his limits. Nothing can bring back CNN's lost integrity.E5 Yaz said:
Why why why why did the NFL allow Morts tweet that all 11 pounds were 2 lbs under become gospel? That one little fact would have
1 stopped a lot of this BS
2 given the weather theory legs much earlier in the week
And most importantly
3 NOT HAVE IMPACTED THEIR INVESTIGATION IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY
that god damn Tweet instantly become gospel and drove the shit out of this story. There is not a conceivable reason why the nfl did not at a minimum stop that misinformation as quickly as possible.
1 stopped a lot of this BS
2 given the weather theory legs much earlier in the week
And most importantly
3 NOT HAVE IMPACTED THEIR INVESTIGATION IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY
that god damn Tweet instantly become gospel and drove the shit out of this story. There is not a conceivable reason why the nfl did not at a minimum stop that misinformation as quickly as possible.
I don't think I've ever been so pissed off and so happy at the same time. Goodell needs to be fired, as do many people in the press. You just dragged the best coach in the sport's history, and it's best quarterback, with not a shred of valid evidence. Nice job ass holes.
In case people have missed it, the same Florio article confirms that it was an NFL sting operation, led by a former Jet employee.
More importantly, it gave the Seahawks a clear advantage being able to prepare for the Superbowl last week. It's unconscionable.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
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Except Mort's original tweet/report didn't say that all 11 were 2 PSI under. It said they were under-inflated by as much as 2 PSI. The possibility/probability that some of the under inflated balls were no where near 2 PSI light was always there in the original text. That people misinterpreted it, took the misinterpretation as gospel, and ran with it is the problem...and one that all of your points apply to just as well.
Yes there is. The NFL League Office is incompetent. There's more evidence of them being incompetent than there is the Pats deflating footballs.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said: