#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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jimbobim

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Bottom line if the NFL has the symbiotic relationship with ESPN and it's other broadcasting partners that we know they do they can essentially send out marching orders to the media saying it's Super Bowl time we're collecting all info and we'll keep you updated.
 
If they can successfully make it a back burner issue by applying some behind the scenes pressure on the networks , they can still promise to deliver a juicy story for after the Super Bowl. Everyone wins except the Patriots and the story only gets more eyeballs if the Patriots win... 
 

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amarshal2 said:
Compelling but I don't think you're right. They gained near zero dollars by being the top story
this past week. They aren't meaningfully going to affect rating for the super bowl. By the time
regular season games begin again this will be pretty old news. On the other side they look like a circus and people will question the validity of the
sport and the competence of its management. It's

international news that some American Football team cheated and is going to get away with it and play in the championships. Net net, this is bad for
the NFL and they'd rather see it go away.
Right. I'm not sure that their strategy should be to repeatedly look like indecisive inept managers. What outcome is going to make them look competent? If it turns out Brady actually did something half of America will believe the NFL
purposely let it go until after the Super Bowl. If it turns out the refs screwed up and didn't measure anything then what were they even investigating and who was supervising the officials? If they discover some sort of Colts "sting" the whole league looks messed up. If they say "it was the physics" shouldn't they have been able to figure that out in 48 hours? If they say "we'll never know" they look even more incompetent and most people will think they are covering up something.
 

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dcmissle said:
Correct. If you have a bullet in the chamber, you almost certainly won't have to fire the gun. It keeps them honest.

Ted Wells is no fool. He first thing he will tell Goodell is, if the footballs were not gauge tested, it's game over. He will then probe the who, what and where of how this came down, and if it is as dirty as PFT suggested, he will tell Roger that's a big problem. And if somebody outs a bullshit narrative under his nose, he will tell Roger it won't withstand analysis or examination under oath and Wells would likely refuse to sign it.
 
It would not surprise me if the long wait followed by the announcement of the Wells Investigation is because the original plan was for Kensil to lead the investigation, but Kraft raised hell, and after mulling things over for a few days Goodell relented and agreed to the outside team.
 
Edit: After reviewing the Kraft announcement (see the news thread), it looks more like request for Wells came after Kensil and his storm troopers gave Kraft a 3-day, first hand look at the level of impartiality the Patriots could expect from an NFL-led investigation.
 

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Roger can afford to screw Ray Rice content in the knowledge that he is buying PR victory even if it is reversed on appeal, as the Rice suspension was. He can't treat an owner that way. And if an arbitrator were to shred the League's findings and overturn a sanction against the NEP -- even if it's only a $25,000 fine -- Goodell probably cannot survive that. The reputational injury here is enormous.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
Ok, I will bite.  Why would you think Goodell and the league would want this story to get resolved?  This is a huge story leading up to the Superbowl.  People who could give fuck all about the big game or the NFL are talking, blogging, Facebooking, calling into talk shows, and clicking about this at every turn.  It sucks if you are the Patriots or a member of their fanbase but nobody could give two fucks about either group.   This is good for business and there will be no resolution anytime soon.
Eh, literally half of all Americans tune into the Super Bowl every year. There is no event that compares to the Super Bowl in terms of interest. It is the biggest event in this country every single year. The NFL doesn't need *this* kind of attention.
 

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If I am Kraft, I tell Goodell very quietly that I have hired Boies Schiller or Williams & Connolly on this, then I go out and bring on one of those firms. the message to Goodell and the law firm running the investigation will be unmistakeable: yes, we will spend $3 million fighting a $25,000 if need be. People are going to be examined under oath. People like the refs and Kensil. If need be people with the Ravens and Colts.

Fuck the other owners. This is the way it will be. You are not getting away with junk science, unsupported inferences, stacked decks or conflicts of interest
I love it when you get wroth.
 

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"There is no such thing as bad publicity" - PT Barnum
 
So the NFL is just letting this roll right through. Gotta admit the attention towards this Super Bowl is white hot. Advertisers will be happy too.
 

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My concern is that the stupidity, ignorance and prejudice could last a lot longer than people expect (as demonstrated by the media coverage this week). 5 years after retirement, will this forever affect BB and TB's election to HOF?
Al Davis is in the HOF. Read his bio.It makes this look like a walk in the park picking daisies.
 

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"There is no such thing as bad publicity" - PT Barnum
 
So the NFL is just letting this roll right through. Gotta admit the attention towards this Super Bowl is white hot. Advertisers will be happy too.
PT Barnum was Mayor of Bridgeport, CT. Have you ever been to Bridgeport, CT? Trust me, there is such a thing as bad publicity.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
Ok, I will bite.  Why would you think Goodell and the league would want this story to get resolved?  This is a huge story leading up to the Superbowl.  People who could give fuck all about the big game or the NFL are talking, blogging, Facebooking, calling into talk shows, and clicking about this at every turn.  It sucks if you are the Patriots or a member of their fanbase but nobody could give two fucks about either group.   This is good for business and there will be no resolution anytime soon.
Because the implications of this go far beyond this week. The league right now is allowing lasting damage to be done to two HOF individuals as well as a franchise. I don't know whether anything nefarious occurred or not, but at this point the league probably does. And unless they have some evidence that Brady or Belichick is guilty, then they are acting with jaw-dropping incompetence right now. Especially in light of the fact that the implications of a deflated ball appear to be pretty inconsequential. Taking time to get all your ducks in a row is generally a good idea, but at some point they actually need to be in a row. Goodell being cautious is a good thing, but he appears afraid to act.

The other lasting implication is on the league itself, which is further solidifying its reputation as a circus. I haven't heard anyone express any surprise that the league appears to be botching this, but I have heard the near universal sentiment about how nobody should have expected anything different. And now the next time something like this happens, that sentiment will be felt even more strongly. The Patriots may have a reputation as cheaters, deserved or undeserved, but the NFL now has a reputation for mishandling everything, deserved or undeserved. And just as every incident is blown out of proportion for the Pats, so too will it be for the league. "Hey, they must have cheated/fucked it up. It's the Patriots/NFL!"

The owners are also moving themselves closer to the line of fire. The next time Goodell fucks something up that's more serious than a few missing PSI, fans are going to turn on them for leaving someone so clearly incapable in charge. The fact that they continue to back him knowing that he can't handle the job means that they share in all the blame going forward. Any owner who claims after some future crisis to be "surprised" that Goodell mishandled it will be laughed out of the building.
 

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Again, if the Colts moan all the time, the league is like "Yeah, whatever," and is not moved to act. When NFL is presented with a game ball with a gauge sticking out of it reading 11.5, it's harder to shrug off and leads to action being taken.
 
 
We need a new poll on Irsay. Are these tweets a result of him:
 
a) Sobering up?
b) Infusing more substances?
c) Responding to orders from the Commish?
d. Alcoholic Guilt. It will go away as the night goes on.
 

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OnWisc said:
Because the implications of this go far beyond this week. The league right now is allowing lasting damage to be done to two HOF individuals as well as a franchise. I don't know whether anything nefarious occurred or not, but at this point the league probably does. And unless they have some evidence that Brady or Belichick is guilty, then they are acting with jaw-dropping incompetence right now. Especially in light of the fact that the implications of a deflated ball appear to be pretty inconsequential. Taking time to get all your ducks in a row is generally a good idea, but at some point they actually need to be in a row. Goodell being cautious is a good thing, but he appears afraid to act.

The other lasting implication is on the league itself, which is further solidifying its reputation as a circus. I haven't heard anyone express any surprise that the league appears to be botching this, but I have heard the near universal sentiment about how nobody should have expected anything different. And now the next time something like this happens, that sentiment will be felt even more strongly. The Patriots may have a reputation as cheaters, deserved or undeserved, but the NFL now has a reputation for mishandling everything, deserved or undeserved. And just as every incident is blown out of proportion for the Pats, so too will it be for the league. "Hey, they must have cheated/fucked it up. It's the Patriots/NFL!"

The owners are also moving themselves closer to the line of fire. The next time Goodell fucks something up that's more serious than a few missing PSI, fans are going to turn on them for leaving someone so clearly incapable in charge. The fact that they continue to back him knowing that he can't handle the job means that they share in all the blame going forward. Any owner who claims after some future crisis to be "surprised" that Goodell mishandled it will be laughed out of the building.
 
Good post. And in the meantime, the latest leak is that your league is investigating Tom fucking Brady, in the discussion for best quarterback ever. Right before he plays in the Super Bowl. For a bullshit accusation that has no impact on actual game play, thus sullying him and the result of your showcase game in the minds of millions who can't discern the difference between a real problem and this idiocy. All because "any publicity is good publicity". Good fucking plan.
 

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Doctor G said:
d. Alcoholic Guilt. It will go awayas the night goes on.
>>Someone's sobered up

Jim Irsay ‏@JimIrsay 1m1 minute ago
We congratulate The Patriots as AFC Champions. We knew the difficulties of going to New England and did not overcome the obstacles we faced.<<

I don't think he's sobered up or contrite. In fact, I read that last line--"...did not overcome the obstacles we faced."-- as a poorly veiled dig at the Pats. "Obstacles," wink, wink... You know, those deflated balls.

Pathetic.
 

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Because the implications of this go far beyond this week. The league right now is allowing lasting damage to be done to two HOF individuals as well as a franchise. I don't know whether anything nefarious occurred or not, but at this point the league probably does. And unless they have some evidence that Brady or Belichick is guilty, then they are acting with jaw-dropping incompetence right now. Especially in light of the fact that the implications of a deflated ball appear to be pretty inconsequential. Taking time to get all your ducks in a row is generally a good idea, but at some point they actually need to be in a row. Goodell being cautious is a good thing, but he appears afraid to act.

The other lasting implication is on the league itself, which is further solidifying its reputation as a circus. I haven't heard anyone express any surprise that the league appears to be botching this, but I have heard the near universal sentiment about how nobody should have expected anything different. And now the next time something like this happens, that sentiment will be felt even more strongly. The Patriots may have a reputation as cheaters, deserved or undeserved, but the NFL now has a reputation for mishandling everything, deserved or undeserved. And just as every incident is blown out of proportion for the Pats, so too will it be for the league. "Hey, they must have cheated/fucked it up. It's the Patriots/NFL!"

The owners are also moving themselves closer to the line of fire. The next time Goodell fucks something up that's more serious than a few missing PSI, fans are going to turn on them for leaving someone so clearly incapable in charge. The fact that they continue to back him knowing that he can't handle the job means that they share in all the blame going forward. Any owner who claims after some future crisis to be "surprised" that Goodell mishandled it will be laughed out of the building.
 
I simply disagree.  The league has seen far worse scandals and horrific events than whatever we want to call this "crisis" and yet the league's popularity has not suffered.  This is all show-business and for the past week, America has been tuning in in droves to pick sides in the good versus evil morality play that will take place next Sunday.  Those worried about the legacies of Brady and Belichick are fooling themselves in my humble opinion.  All those folks who came out chastising them and expressing disappointment over the past week have been detractors all the way along and are seizing the moment to act all sanctimonious.  On the other hand, if you are a fan of those two, its highly unlikely that you've changed your stance as a result of ballghazi, especially as more details have come to light.
 
Again, everyone knows we are talking about deflated footballs and most people would admit it had no impact on the outcome of a game.  Allowing the masses to buzz about this does nothing to hurt the league and only heightens the entertainment value of the whole spectacle.  Those saying that the league doesn't benefit from something like this are also missing the fact that all of its partner-distributors of content (NFLN, ESPN, all the online properties etc) have very happy advertisers who, no doubt, enjoyed a bump in eyeball traffic over the the last seven days.  If you don't think this helps the NFL I don't know what to tell you.  For everyone but the Patriots and their fans, this is good clean fun.  
 
Goodell, the NFL and America is essentially saying "lol boohoo" "and "go cry yerself to sleep on yer big Lombardi pillow" to New England here as the league got some amazing bonus coverage during what would have otherwise been a sleepy league news week.
 

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What is it tonight?  Not everybody who abuses drugs and alcohol is an addict with a disease.  Some people just never have to face the consequences of their actions because they're rich, entitled assholes born into a fortune and so they keep on partying.  Now they're off limits?
 

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What is it tonight?  Not everybody who abuses drugs and alcohol is an addict with a disease.  Some people just never have to face the consequences of their actions because they're rich, entitled assholes born into a fortune and so they keep on partying.  Now they're off limits?
 
He's checked himself into rehab, admitted to a prescription drug addiction, and it has been reported that he has had an ongoing drug problem.  While in rehab he ceded control of the club, and was then suspended by the league for 6 games and fined $500,000.  I think it is overstating that he's 'never had to face the consequences."  Look, there are lots of reasons to make fun of Irsay, but I'm saying stooping to this level is a little low. 
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
I simply disagree.  The league has seen far worse scandals and horrific events than whatever we want to call this "crisis" and yet the league's popularity has not suffered.  This is all show-business and for the past week, America has been tuning in in droves to pick sides in the good versus evil morality play that will take place next Sunday.  Those worried about the legacies of Brady and Belichick are fooling themselves in my humble opinion.  All those folks who came out chastising them and expressing disappointment over the past week have been detractors all the way along and are seizing the moment to act all sanctimonious.  On the other hand, if you are a fan of those two, its highly unlikely that you've changed your stance as a result of ballghazi, especially as more details have come to light.
 
Again, everyone knows we are talking about deflated footballs and most people would admit it had no impact on the outcome of a game.  Allowing the masses to buzz about this does nothing to hurt the league and only heightens the entertainment value of the whole spectacle.  Those saying that the league doesn't benefit from something like this are also missing the fact that all of its partner-distributors of content (NFLN, ESPN, all the online properties etc) have very happy advertisers who, no doubt, enjoyed a bump in eyeball traffic over the the last seven days.  If you don't think this helps the NFL I don't know what to tell you.  For everyone but the Patriots and their fans, this is good clean fun.  
 
Goodell, the NFL and America is essentially saying "lol boohoo" "and "go cry yerself to sleep on yer big Lombardi pillow" to New England here as the league got some amazing bonus coverage during what would have otherwise been a sleepy league news week.
I'd be curious to see evidence that there has been a legitimate "bump" in ratings and traffic. I suspect there is very little. Just because something like this leads the evening news or SportsCenter doesn't mean people are tuning in who might otherwise not. Online traffic tends to be dominated by habitual properties, like Facebook, Twitter, Google and YouTube. This thread aside, most people aren't obsessed by this story enough to radically change their online behavior.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
  If you don't think this helps the NFL I don't know what to tell you.  For everyone but the Patriots and their fans, this is good clean fun.  
 
Goodell, the NFL and America is essentially saying "lol boohoo" "and "go cry yerself to sleep on yer big Lombardi pillow" to New England here as the league got some amazing bonus coverage during what would have otherwise been a sleepy league news week.
My point exactly. I think the NFL is really enjoying the coverage. This has gone global at the right time in terms of talking points. The only ones not digging it are the Pats fans. Sometime life is not fair. Just smoke Seattle on Sunday. Payback is a bitch.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
I simply disagree.  The league has seen far worse scandals and horrific events than whatever we want to call this "crisis" and yet the league's popularity has not suffered.  This is all show-business and for the past week, America has been tuning in in droves to pick sides in the good versus evil morality play that will take place next Sunday.  Those worried about the legacies of Brady and Belichick are fooling themselves in my humble opinion.  All those folks who came out chastising them and expressing disappointment over the past week have been detractors all the way along and are seizing the moment to act all sanctimonious.  On the other hand, if you are a fan of those two, its highly unlikely that you've changed your stance as a result of ballghazi, especially as more details have come to light.
 
Again, everyone knows we are talking about deflated footballs and most people would admit it had no impact on the outcome of a game.  Allowing the masses to buzz about this does nothing to hurt the league and only heightens the entertainment value of the whole spectacle.  Those saying that the league doesn't benefit from something like this are also missing the fact that all of its partner-distributors of content (NFLN, ESPN, all the online properties etc) have very happy advertisers who, no doubt, enjoyed a bump in eyeball traffic over the the last seven days.  If you don't think this helps the NFL I don't know what to tell you.  For everyone but the Patriots and their fans, this is good clean fun.  
 
Goodell, the NFL and America is essentially saying "lol boohoo" "and "go cry yerself to sleep on yer big Lombardi pillow" to New England here as the league got some amazing bonus coverage during what would have otherwise been a sleepy league news week.
 
Advertisers actually do care about who is pitching their products. If the general public reaches the point where the majority associate your league and it's players with cheating and various illegal activities, that's a tipping point. Actively moving in the direction of that tipping point - thinking it's a good thing - would be blatant stupidity.
 

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He's checked himself into rehab, admitted to a prescription drug addiction, and it has been reported that he has had an ongoing drug problem.  While in rehab he ceded control of the club, and was then suspended by the league for 6 games and fined $500,000.  I think it is overstating that he's 'never had to face the consequences."  Look, there are lots of reasons to make fun of Irsay, but I'm saying stooping to this level is a little low. 
Ugh. Is your name Toby by any chance?
 

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I'd be curious to see evidence that there has been a legitimate "bump" in ratings and traffic. I suspect there is very little. Just because something like this leads the evening news or SportsCenter doesn't mean people are tuning in who might otherwise not. Online traffic tends to be dominated by habitual properties, like Facebook, Twitter, Google and YouTube. This thread aside, most people aren't obsessed by this story enough to radically change their online behavior.
 
Well, judging by the non-sports outlet coverage of this story, I don't think its a stretch to say that a lot of people outside the natural audience for the NFL were paying attention.  Those outlets have advertisers and its a fair bet that their ads saw more eyeballs this week.  Maybe your right and its inconsequential but given how this story seems to have legs, I doubt it.
 
Kull said:
 
Advertisers actually do care about who is pitching their products. If the general public reaches the point where the majority associate your league and it's players with cheating and various illegal activities, that's a tipping point. Actively moving in the direction of that tipping point - thinking it's a good thing - would be blatant stupidity.
 
Brutal murders, suicides, racism, horrific domestic abuse, concussions and lewd behavior haven't scared advertisers or audiences away yet.  Are deflated footballs and a bunch of cheaters who were caught cheating again going to do it?  Really?
 

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If so then the NFL was willing to let New England use a deflated football to its advantage for the first half of a game with the Super Bowl on the line, rather than stop the contest immediately and check, or even just warn the Patriots of their concerns prior to kickoff to make sure everything was fair and square for all 60 minutes.

This would be … astounding.

More astounding than if it was definitively proven that Brady himself took the air out of the ball. Competitors have sought advantages ever since there has been competition. A player working the equipment over for an edge is nothing new. A league letting it happen, letting one guy break the rules because it was trying to play cops and robbers would be a whole new twist.
 

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Can you imagine Roger Goodell behind a sting operation to catch the Patriots "cheating" over a slightly deflated football when Bob Kraft has been his most ardent supporter, especially amidst all the Rice turmoil, and perhaps the NFL's most influential owner over the past decade? The mind reels.
 

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The NFL declined additional comment or clarification on all items.

It's essentially allowing the speculation from Glazer's report to continue, no matter how bad it makes the league look. And, it's worth noting, at this point Glazer's reporting carries more credibility among many football fans than an official NFL statement.

Still, this would be so absurd, so over-the-top that it's a challenge to believe even an NFL prone to bumbling would stoop to it.

The Patriots led 17-7 at halftime, after using some of the deflated footballs. This wasn't a prohibitive deficit but it was a significant advantage. New England has won 74 consecutive regular-season home games when leading at the half.

It actually played better offensively in the second half with properly inflated footballs (the Patriots wound up winning 45-7). Patriots fans point out that it proves the pounds per square inch inside footballs isn't a big deal. Perhaps, but the NFL believes this rule, and the reasoning behind it, is a big deal or else the Super Bowl wouldn't be consumed with a) the original investigation and b) a leak to ESPN that 11 footballs failed the PSI test, which blew this entire thing into a huge story by implying the Patriots were guilty.

As for letting New England walk into a trap, what if the Pats led 35-0 at the half? What if the game was out of hand and Indy was left all but hopeless? Or what if it ended close and every play, including first-quarter scores, mattered?

All that to catch a deflated football scheme? Could the NFL have cared more about that than the Colts' chances?

This is a review that may yield nothing more than a fine or a lost draft pick, and one that is so slow moving that Tom Brady said he doesn't expect to speak to investigators until after the Super Bowl.

Again, it's almost unfathomable. Almost.
 

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It's gotta suck for poor little Roger. His dad seemed like a pretty principled man, and one of the few Republicans to stand up against the Vietnam War.  He grows up in that shadow, still does remarkably well, reaching a position of power and respect for which he's compensated enormously, but he's still considered a joke, a patsy, adrift without moral sense or public relations skill.  So, you go looking for the biggest game out there, a nice pelt to adorn your office, and instead of taking down the beast, you shoot your companions in the ass Cheney-style and land in mud and shit with the shotgun's recoil.
 

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It's gotta suck for poor little Roger. His dad seemed like a pretty principled man, and one of the few Republicans to stand up against the Vietnam War.  He grows up in that shadow, still does remarkably well, reaching a position of power and respect for which he's compensated enormously, but he's still considered a joke, a patsy, adrift without moral sense or public relations skill.  So, you go looking for the biggest game out there, a nice pelt to adorn your office, and instead of taking down the beast, you shoot your companions in the ass Cheney-style and land in mud and shit with the shotgun's recoil.
II want to fuck this post. Lovingly, but with abandon.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
Well, judging by the non-sports outlet coverage of this story, I don't think its a stretch to say that a lot of people outside the natural audience for the NFL were paying attention.  Those outlets have advertisers and its a fair bet that their ads saw more eyeballs this week.  Maybe your right and its inconsequential but given how this story seems to have legs, I doubt it.
 
 
Brutal murders, suicides, racism, horrific domestic abuse, concussions and lewd behavior haven't scared advertisers or audiences away yet.  Are deflated footballs and a bunch of cheaters who were caught cheating again going to do it?  Really?
 
The whole idea of a tipping point is that it takes time, and series of events to reach it. And your point is that the league is deliberately pumping up the image of themselves as an organization that tolerates cheating, because that's good publicity and there are no downsides. Forget Kraft, you think the Rooneys and Maras agree?
 

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The whole idea of a tipping point is that it takes time, and series of events to reach it. And your point is that the league is deliberately pumping up the image of themselves as an organization that tolerates cheating, because that's good publicity and there are no downsides. Forget Kraft, you think the Rooneys and Maras agree?
 
I would guess that many of the owners find it distasteful.  But while they oversee the league, they don't market it and those that do have made the very wealthy owners even wealthier.  They understand that skill and flash and entertainment sell.  I would also submit that if the Rooneys and Maras were so righteous, they wouldn't employ players who are alleged rapists and domestic abusers as well as perpetrators of other crimes.  These are business people and the NFL is in the business of entertainment.  It is the ultimate in American bread and circus and the reality is that the masses continue to consume it the more warts the better.   I know it sounds crazy but imho, there really is no tipping point for the NFL.  
 
Use whatever cultural reference-point you want - Black Mirror's "The National Anthem" or "Running Man" or anything else - the NFL is a real-life example of how those works are dead-on-balls accurate.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
I would guess that many of the owners find it distasteful.  But while they oversee the league, they don't market it and those that do have made the very wealthy owners even wealthier.  They understand that skill and flash and entertainment sell.  I would also submit that if the Rooneys and Maras were so righteous, they wouldn't employ players who are alleged rapists and domestic abusers as well as perpetrators of other crimes.  These are business people and the NFL is in the business of entertainment.  It is the ultimate in American bread and circus and the reality is that the masses continue to consume it the more warts the better.   I know it sounds crazy but imho, there really is no tipping point for the NFL.  
 
Use whatever cultural reference-point you want - Black Mirror's "The National Anthem" or "Running Man" or anything else - the NFL is a real-life example of how those works are dead-on-balls accurate.
 
I do understand where you are going with this, but we'll have to agree to disagree. I can see many reasons for the NFL's approach to this investigation, but "deliberate attempt to garner publicity" is not one of them.
 

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Here's my biggest concern: how all of this affects our QB on game day. Tom E Curran noted on csn tonight that Tom seemed visibly shaken at the presser, and when he saw him again morerecently, he "didn't seem himself."

This is my greatest deflate-gate concern right now, by far.
 

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riboflav said:
Can you imagine Roger Goodell behind a sting operation to catch the Patriots "cheating" over a slightly deflated football when Bob Kraft has been his most ardent supporter, especially amidst all the Rice turmoil, and perhaps the NFL's most influential owner over the past decade? The mind reels.
I want Goodell gone. He is such a fool
 

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riboflav said:
Can you imagine Roger Goodell behind a sting operation to catch the Patriots "cheating" over a slightly deflated football when Bob Kraft has been his most ardent supporter, especially amidst all the Rice turmoil, and perhaps the NFL's most influential owner over the past decade? The mind reels.
 
I can barely imagine Goodell ordering breakfast much less masterminding something. Kensil probably mentioned it as something he wanted to "look at", and Goodell signed off on it without knowing or understanding any of the details. In his desire to nail the Pats for something, Kensil dreamed up this half assed sting that is now blowing up all around him. The reason the NFL is refusing official comment is that Wells is looking at the full spectrum of this idiocy and trying to think of some way to spin this as anything other than utter incompetence on the part of the NFL.
 

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collardio said:
Here's my biggest concern: how all of this affects our QB on game day. Tom E Curran noted on csn tonight that Tom seemed visibly shaken at the presser, and when he saw him again morerecently, he "didn't seem himself."
This is my greatest deflate-gate concern right now, by far.
You can't be serious. He's a trained assassin.
 

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Ian Crouch of the New Yorker has an excellent analysis of the Brady press conference that is a critique of modern media and the limitations of the press conference format.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/sporting-scene/humiliation-tom-brady

I particularly liked this elegant formulation of all the open questions, instead of jumping to conclusions based on single anonymously sourced reports:

There are still more questions than answers about these footballs: no one from the league has offered an official explanation of the process by which they were tested by official before this particular game or of why, if they were suspected of being under-inflated during the game, they were permitted to be used. At this point, there isnt even evidence that they were necessarily tampered with at all.
 

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I know Irsay is a clown, but shitting on a dude by making fun of his substance abuse problem is being a special brand of asshole. 
 
I agree with this and admit I've been guilty of this in the past. There's a lot of him that's fair game besides the substance abuse issues. 
 

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So, here's what we know:
 
John Harbaugh's former defensive coordinator was Chuck Pagano
 
Chuck Pagano's current general manager is Ryan Grigson
 
Ryan Grigson worked for the Rams and the Eagles when those teams lost to the Patriots in Super Bowls
 
Before Ted Wells came aboard, the investigation was being run by a former Jets official
 
In the past three days, Harbaugh has come out with statements of praise for Belichick and Irsay made his tweet series about how great the Super Bowl will be
 
And, somehow, Jay Glazer stirs this into being a sting orchestrated by the NFL?
 
They'd need a smoking gun. In a case like this, a football used by the NE offense and deflated after being confiscated on the Colts' sideline.
 
They'd need a media patsy, maybe an old drinking buddy of someone involved, who can leak this story;
 
Then a further leak to a more credible media source that all the Pats football were under inflated by the same amount
 
At that point, they'd just have to sit back and wait for the media to do what it does best ... blow things out of whack