How about this for a grand fuck you to Goodell and his shallow end of the gene pool minions. How about a repeat of 1770's history at Boston Harbour whereby Patriot Fans burn Roger Goodell in effigy and toss NFL sponsored products into the Harbour as a grand fuck you to the NFL front office.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Yeah it's kind of the opposite. The message seems to be that you can do illegal things in the NFL as long as you stink, if you win like the Patriots and the Saints, you get the book thrown at you.Toe Nash said:
I desperately, desperately want BB to turn the dial up to 11 and trade for Adrian Peterson in an Avengers style battle against Goodell, Grigson, Woody, and other minions.
I've yet to grasp this angle, about Brady's phone. Wouldn't anything he sent to JJ and JM be on their phone already? Do we think he has texts to Gisele or Wes swelled talking about how he was having the balls deflated? Wtf are people expecting to find on his phone?dcmissle said:
Toe Nash said:
Exactly. Other teams are not first time offenders. Take the Jets, for example (among others).
2010 - The tripping incident. Alosi fined $25k and suspended 3 games. The Jets fined $100k.
2015 - Tampering with Darrelle Revis. Jets fined $100k, and oh by the way, got to keep Revis, the best defender on their arch-rivals.
So here's the question. If Spygate made the Patriots a "repeat offender", why didn't the tripping incident make the Jets "repeat offenders", and thus warrant a very harsh penalty? What they got for tampering was *LESS* than what they got for a coach tripping a player during a game.
Why is an example made out of the Patriots - in a situation where there is still nothing remotely resembling a smoking gun - for being repeat offenders when many other teams also have been repeat offenders (like the Jets), but NOTHING EVER COMES OF THAT?? No extra penalties are ever laid on THEM??
Why just the Patriots?
Let's LITERALLY tar and feather him on opening night.*cymbaline777 said:
But seriously, I wonder if he has the balls to be at Foxboro opening night.
*Comment made for satirical purposes only.
I agree that is likely but here is the deal as I see it. When party A sues party B in litigation, either or both routinely subpoena the records of non-party C for communications with party A ( or B).Papelbon's Poutine said:
And judges routinely enforce the subpoena because the parties' records may be incomplete. Here Tom occupies the position of C
Think of it as a symbolic gesture. As in, "I'm going to rip all of you a new asshole for this bullshit, and I swear to God I do not give a single fuck how much you are going to fine me for it."
OK, here's a probably worthless angle:
The Vincent letter to the Patriots explicitly cited Brady's failure to provide his phone as part of the reason for the Pats' being punished.
1. What authority do the Patrios have over Brady in this regard?
2. Does Brady's membership in NHLPA give him any protection from having to produce his phone? If so, could the NFL's actions be seen as, in part, punishing the Patriots for refusing to violate the CBA?
The Vincent letter to the Patriots explicitly cited Brady's failure to provide his phone as part of the reason for the Pats' being punished.
1. What authority do the Patrios have over Brady in this regard?
2. Does Brady's membership in NHLPA give him any protection from having to produce his phone? If so, could the NFL's actions be seen as, in part, punishing the Patriots for refusing to violate the CBA?
The NFL has no authority to force players to turn over personal cell phones as that is something that needs to be collectively bargain and it wasn't in the last CBA.Eddie Jurak said:
It's worse than a non-issue, because it not only forces them to forfeit their picks - it also restricts them from draft day trades in those rounds.BigSoxFan said:
jsinger121 said:
So they punished the Patriots for, among other things, not violating the CBA?
dcmissle said:
This cannot be overstated.
I do think both Kraft and Brady could appeal solely on the basis of the penalties having been too harsh for what Brady did, but pursuing this in court would likely lead to discovery, which may be a problem for Kraft and Brady.
As I've said elsewhere, nothing Brady or Yee have said to date has screamed "100% innocent." If Brady did something wrong -- either the deflation or something else -- he and Kraft are going to have to be very careful how they approach all of this.
So....anyone even remotely in contact with anyone else even remotely affiliated with the hacktivist group Anonymous? 'Cause digging into the league office email accounts might be fun.
EDIT: Kidding. (But only sorta.)
EDIT: Kidding. (But only sorta.)
I want to know if it's common procedure not to approach a team first when a complaint such as Grigson's is forwarded to the league. Why isn't this being looked into? For all the "independence" of the Wells investigation, they sure as fuck didn't focus on misconduct by the league or the officials. We have claims that refs inflated balls to 16 PSI in one game, why isn't this being looked at? Was the ref for that game asked to turn over his cellphone? Did the Pats go crying to the NFL because the mean Jets/refs had them play with overinflated balls? Fuck all this.
Sounds like Kraft will want his own appeal on the picks/fine. But I am murky on this process. The first round pick kills me. Also, this shit where we now can't trade for a first round pick that is higher than our own seems like a way of making sure a repeat of 2008 doesn't happen (them having 10th overall pick despite the penalty)
nattysez said:
Well except all the times Yee has said that Brady's 100% innocent. The Pats, Brady, Kraft and Yee are already way out over the skis if Brady did anything wrong.
EDIT: Here's a quote from Yee's appearance on Anderson Cooper.http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/05/07/agent-don-yee-on-cnn-tom-brady-had-no-knowledge-of-deflated-balls/
Cooper: “Did Tom Brady have any knowledge of these balls being deflated?”
Yee: “No.”
Cooper: “So you’re saying he’s completely innocent in whatever happened to those balls?”
Yee: “In my opinion, yes.”
ivanvamp said:
This is the point I was trying to make a couple of pages ago. The Patriots are being punished as repeat offenders solely because of their success. The reason the Jets aren't viewed in that light (and many other teams) is because they suck so bad that the people who got in trouble for the first offense aren't there anymore. The second offense was committed by another group of people. Whereas, the Patriots get fucked because they've been so good and have had so little turnover at the top of their organizational chart that they are repeat offenders due to that success.
It's nonsense.
I could be wrong, but the only member of the NFLPA executive committee I've heard comment publicly on this since the Wells report dropped is Ryan Clark, and that's been strictly through his work as an ESPN analyst. In fact, I heard a recent clip of Clark on the radio about an hour or so ago in which he criticized Brady for gaining an unfair competitive advantage and proceeded to rip the Patriots for fostering a culture of cheating. A prominent NFLPA exec openly criticizing a current player who's in the process of mounting an appeal isn't exactly a great look IMO.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Tom Brady post playing career. Should take a stab at being the executive director of the NFLPA.
We finally cleaned up the Harbor. I don't want to re-pollute it with the likes of Goodell.cymbaline777 said:
chonce1 said:
They had the 10th pick in 2008 because they gave up their 2007 first-round pick. This part of the penalty is over the top, like the rest of the punishment. They're docked their first round pick and are additionally constricted regarding what they do with their other assets.
This is a dream shot for the NFLPA and Kessler, with a dream client. They have been chafing for years about the NFL office acting as judge, jury, executioner and reviewing court. They quite possibly have a client innocent even of the "guilty knowledge" ascribed to him, which is weak sauce. And they have the bonanza -- the possibility that he and the Pats really were railroaded.
So they will be supportive of Tom even if he hadn't served as lead plaintiff in the CBA litigation. And if they ever can establish the railroading point -- either by a genuine neutral appointed by Goodell or in court -- they will smash the current disciplinary regime into a thousand pieces. Things will never be the same.
Ryan Clark is still a DB.
So they will be supportive of Tom even if he hadn't served as lead plaintiff in the CBA litigation. And if they ever can establish the railroading point -- either by a genuine neutral appointed by Goodell or in court -- they will smash the current disciplinary regime into a thousand pieces. Things will never be the same.
Ryan Clark is still a DB.
I do find myself wondering why, if not to try and test the weather, they would not levy punishment at the same time as the report. I can't imagine another reason (what am I missing?). If that's it, it seems among the more absurd and blatant elements of this whole ordeal.
You're misunderstanding the strategy of Brady and Yee.nattysez said:
First, noone is going to say "I'm 100% innocent of everything that's ever happened in this building", which is what you seem to want them to say. Yee has a nice big target to work on, and that is the shoddy work that makes up the Wells report; once that falls, the NFL's punishment falls as well, assuming an independent hearing.
Back on topic: for Kraft, the PR battle is the best bet for him; winning a court battle over lost draft picks seems far fetched. I'm not dreaming when I say that the absurdity of this punishment could eventually lead to Goodell's downfall. The 2016 draft may be long over by then, unfortunately.
The amusing thing is the Revis tampering is the Jets 3rd offense. They got popped in '09 for violating injury reporting rules (not listing Favre). $75K for the team, $25K each to Mangini and Tannenbaum.ivanvamp said:
Edit: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4478429
Deflategate has been a witch hunt. No doubt about it.
My guess is that Ryan Clark has already received an angry phone call from Winston and Smith.J.McG said:
In addition to the legal and strategic advice others have offered up, I think Kraft needs to figure out the identity of his enemies (if he doesn't know already). Goodell is a moron but I don't see him going down this road without some behind-the-scenes encouragement and signals of support from other owners, above and beyond the pill fiends (Irsay) and halfwits (Woody) of the league.
I'm impartial on the Pats, but I will be rooting for them to go 4-0 to start the season. This whole thing is some serious bullshit.
And you think a detailed, sensitive conversation such as that with BB or RK would occur over text message? Not on a phone call or in person? Sorry, man, I'm not buying that Brady was hiding a text to BB that was a smoking gun.BigSoxFan said:
"Coach - what am I going to do? They found out about us cheating again!!! I totally told those guys exactly how to let air out and now we got caught!!! Oh noooeeeesss!!! [emoji50][emoji79][emoji464]"
Is he the NFL's Mad King Aerys, cutting himself on the throne because he never truly belonged?troparra said:
Or perhaps he negotiated a deal with Kraft, only to have Troy Vincent issue harsher punishment during sentencing. This seems unlikely, as I think the punishment came from Goodell, but I like the photoshop possibilities with him as a stunned Cersei.
