#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Cellar-Door

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WayBackVazquez said:
Which law firm is that? Because Winston & Strawn (Chicago) handled the Peterson case.

It looks like venue may come from the labor law statute, 29 USC 185 (which is not my thing). Under the general venue statute, I would think it would need to be brought in D.Ma or SDNY.
 
Yeah looks like they might have changed firms recently. Used to be Leonard Lindquist (recently died) of Lindquist & Vennum, who handled their litigation, but all the NFLPA links on the firm website are broken.
I read something about how the original lawsuit challenging the Rozelle Rule was in MN, and made it one of the jurisdictions of record for all NFL labor relations, I don't know enough about labor law to tell exactly why, but it seems like everyone uses MN regardless of where they play.
 

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LuckyBen said:
That is such a joke of a statement. When will these reporters realize the NFL is just using them for their own agenda.
Of course if it's true, I hardly think that a rushed tweet/press release in the middle of the hearing will make a difference in the eyes of a judge.
 

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Yeah, it's a good question and it is unclear. If it's true that another court loss could result in broader sanctions against the NFL's ability to apply sanctions, you're right that the NFL play might be to beat a hasty retreat....not leave it to the courts to force them to do so. But, given how they seem to have not blinked in the Rice and Adrian P cases, despite reversals, I think the precedent is for them to prefer to be on the right side (eventually) of public opinion on those cases, not the right side of the courts.
 
Nobody should forget that the NFL's appeal of the District Court's ruling in Peterson is still out there. Most people here care most about what happens to Brady, but Brady is just a character in a skirmish in a much larger power struggle going on here, and the contours or that have still not become fully developed or defined.
 
My own personal fan fic on this has the appeal going against the NFL and the Brady decision basically being some version of, "Yo, NFL--cut the shit. No, fuck that--we're gonna cut it for you." And that's independent of being a Patriots fan--I can't stand people who operate the way the NFL does and, even more so, claims it has every right to.
 

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Just checking in, how's the drumhead trial coming along?
 
That due process statement by Breer is laughable, what a house-organ.
 

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If he throws Wells under the bus, don't you think Wells could drop a fucking bomb on Goodell and the NFL?
 
You mean betray Client/Attorney Privilege?  Yea that should win him new clients.
 

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There is no Rev said:
 
Nobody should forget that the NFL's appeal of the District Court's ruling in Peterson is still out there. Most people here care most about what happens to Brady, but Brady is just a character in a skirmish in a much larger power struggle going on here, and the contours or that have still not become fully developed or defined.
 
My own personal fan fic on this has the appeal going against the NFL and the Brady decision basically being some version of, "Yo, NFL--cut the shit. No, fuck that--we're gonna cut it for you." And that's independent of being a Patriots fan--I can't stand people who operate the way the NFL does and, even more so, claims it has every right to.
This is probably the least egregious of the three player penalties on balance, as preposterous as that sounds on its face.
 

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TomRicardo said:
 
You mean betray Client/Attorney Privilege?  Yea that should win him new clients.
 
It's been addressed, but I didn't mean necessarily that. I'm sure that Goodell wouldn't want Wells being pissed at him was all I was getting at.
 
 

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soxhop411 said:
“@AlbertBreer: The time allotted was a potential due-process issue Brady’s side planned to track going in http://t.co/LCr3nReS1x https://t.co/nAvDzq4Qf8”
 
A very funny article on NFL.com. In particular, note this sentence, stating the NFL's point of view on Goodell's status to hear the appeal: "Goodell's name isn't on the discipline or the investigation, which raises the question, If he can't hear this, what can he hear?"
 
Goodell hired Wells. That's his name on the investigation. And Goodell authorized the discipline that was imposed by NFL Executive President Troy Vincent (per an NFL.com press release). Goodell's name is all over every part of this case, yet he persists in portraying himself as some kind of neutral party, even as he orchestrates the actions against the Patriots.
 

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TomRicardo said:
You mean betray Client/Attorney Privilege?  Yea that should win him new clients.
I said this at the outset, and I'm much more certain of it now: I do not believe a court would shield communications between Wells and Goodell or his team from discovery on the basis of privilege. He publicized his task from the beginning, he publicly released his work, he held a press conference about it, and now he's apperently going to testify about it. Any privilege that may have existed (and I don't think it did) has got to be waived by now.

He was not retained to provide legal advice. If you hire a lawyer to fix your toilet, your communications with him about your shit aren't privileged just because he's a member of the bar.
 

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txexile said:
 
A very funny article on NFL.com. In particular, note this sentence, stating the NFL's point of view on Goodell's status to hear the appeal: "Goodell's name isn't on the discipline or the investigation, which raises the question, If he can't hear this, what can he hear?"
So now we're back to Goodell having not been the one to levy the original punishment, which will 100% get the case remanded at a minimum? Oh, NFL.
 

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And of course Breer fails to mention that if Goodell didn't administer the discipline, then it was a violation of the CBA since only he can discipline integrity of the game issues.
 

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Stitch01 said:
This is probably the least egregious of the three player penalties on balance, as preposterous as that sounds on its face.
 
Almost certainly, which is probably why they are appealing it. Pretty much every move they make seems to be to protect their authority to mete out punishment without discretion or oversight, ostensibly as a counter-position to having neutral arbitrators.
 
Which is sorta insane because like, most of their PR disasters would have been avoided by having a neutral arbitrator for discipline at this point rather than rolling around in the shit like they keep doing whenever they operate in this area in which they lack any real competencies. One starts to wonder why they want this power anyway? It's fucking bad for them and other leagues appear to have benefited from not being bound to a responsibility to which they are unsuited. Is it really all just ego?
 

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tims4wins said:
And of course Breer fails to mention that if Goodell didn't administer the discipline, then it was a violation of the CBA since only he can discipline integrity of the game issues.
 
Breer is both an active idiot and a mouthpiece for the NFL, so when he writes it presents all sorts of problems.
 

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Breer has really been pushing the obstruction charge, so, as dcm has said, that appears to be Roger's fall-back position as all else collapses--and Tom's big liability.
Breer even gratuitously adds it's Yee's fault, since no NFLPA lawyer was at Tom's Wells' interview.
 

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Thank you.
 
Never would have gotten that.
 
The pic above with half of his face looks a little like Snyder.
 
Or Dan Duquette even.
 

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It's a regional thing. The Wallach head makes its appearance in a lot of background camera shots, this might be the highest profile though.
 
It's dumb but I find it funny.
 

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Suspension vacated hours ago, they're all sharing a few rounds and laughing about the absurdity of it all now. imo.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
It's 40 lawyers in a room, of course it's going to go on forever.
40 lawyers in a basement arguing with each other about stuff that nobody else in the world really cares about or understands.

We call that SoSH.
 

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RGREELEY33 said:
40 lawyers in a basement arguing with each other about stuff that nobody else in the world really cares about or understands.

We call that SoSH.
 
40 lawyers, 40 basements
 

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Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Did it pop into any one else's mind that, just maybe, part of the reason for moving into the basement was to cut down on at least some cell coverage to minimize real-time leaks (unless they ALL have VZW)?
Dude, King Roger has control over his minions. This kind of exercise would not be needed.