#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


  • Total voters
    208

Blue Monkey

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 23, 2006
5,353
Reading
Nothing personal, but between your vicious gamethread sabotage of the 2016 Boston Red Sox and this, you're rapidly becoming my least favorite poster.
We're on the same side here. I know just as well as you that the pats didn't gain any advantage during the AFCCG. With that said, if someone wants to believe that Rodgers is under performing this season because of inflation levels in the footballs it does give some validity to the argument that the Pats may have gained some advantage if they were playing with under inflated balls. I don't agree with the sentiment, I'm just trying to make a point... probably rather poorly.
 

dhappy42

Straw Man
Oct 27, 2013
15,725
Michigan
This is like the fumble stat for the Patriots, which means that 4 out of 5 ESPN analysts will find it very suspicious indeed.
Rodgers's and Brady's reception stats and Patriots' fumble stats are meaningless as evidence for or against ball tampering. There are too many much more significant variables.

The relevant facts for this discussion are 1) Rodgers admitted to asking team personnel to over-inflate balls, 2) there's no physical evidence that the Patriots' balls were ever intentionally under-inflated and 3) Brady asked team personnel to inflate balls to 12.5psi, the lowest psi allowed by the rules.
 

snowmanny

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
15,667
Highly unlikely... Bear in mind that Rodgers played the entirety of 2015 without his leading receiver in Jordy Nelson. Something else is going on but it's not the PSI levels in the balls. If we want to acknowledge that Rodgers stats have dropped as a result of the air pressure in the footballs we have to admit that the Patriots gained an advantage by playing the 2014 AFCCG with under inflated footballs.
Yes, and we would have to additionally confess that the Pats gained an even greater advantage by playing the second half with over-inflated footballs, assuming all of us were about as smart as Troy Vincent.
 

garzooma

New Member
Mar 4, 2011
126
This is like the fumble stat for the Patriots, which means that 4 out of 5 ESPN analysts will find it very suspicious indeed.
It's very much like the fumble stat. But you won't find ESPN analysts noticing it, or other NYC based clowns like 538. Which might have been KFP's point.
 

Stitch01

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
18,155
Boston
Green Bay's line is considered excellent. Brandon Thorn, ITP's OL guru, considers it the second-best in football.

Keep your eye out for @mascho 's take on this for ITP - I haven't read it yet (should come out tomorrow) but I'm sure it will be excellent.
Im definitely not buying them as the second best OL in football but you're right. The line was a problem last year, its been good this year.
 

Harry Hooper

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
34,368
Interesting to note in a recent Fortune Magazine article about -gate scandals, two NFL references:

1978 - Shouldergate
An ESPN reporter found that the Pittsburgh Steelers were conducting practices in full pads--against league rules. Sports Illustrated has called it the "original sports -gate," but it wasn't the last.


2015 - Deflategate
The scandal that rocked the scandal-prone NFL. Star quarterback Tom Brady and his New England Patriots allegedly cheated in the 2015 AFC Championship by playing with under-inflated balls. Brady was suspended for 4 games as a result.


Note: emphasis added.

Link
 
Last edited:

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,017
Oregon

staz

Intangible
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 2, 2004
20,659
The cradle of the game.
Interesting to note in a recent Fortune Magazine article about -gate scandals, two NFL references:

1978 - Shouldergate
An ESPN reporter found that the Pittsburgh Steelers were conducting practices in full pads--against league rules. Sports Illustrated has called it the "original sports -gate," but it wasn't the last.
Interesting also because ESPN didn't start until 9/7/79
 

bsj

Renegade Crazed Genius
SoSH Member
Dec 6, 2003
22,774
Central NJ SoSH Chapter
I was in the Bleacher Report offices today with a group and when Chris Simms joined us I couldn't help but say "Free Brady" to him. He sidetracked the meeting to go off on a tangent about how he doesn't hate Brady blah blah blah....but of course finished by saying "but he deflated the balls"....
 

joe dokes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
30,240
I was in the Bleacher Report offices today with a group and when Chris Simms joined us I couldn't help but say "Free Brady" to him. He sidetracked the meeting to go off on a tangent about how he doesn't hate Brady blah blah blah....but of course finished by saying "but he deflated the balls"....
He just had to vent his spleen a bit.
 

Bleedred

Member
SoSH Member
Feb 21, 2001
9,963
Boston, MA
I was in the Bleacher Report offices today with a group and when Chris Simms joined us I couldn't help but say "Free Brady" to him. He sidetracked the meeting to go off on a tangent about how he doesn't hate Brady blah blah blah....but of course finished by saying "but he deflated the balls"....
You should have taunted him and called him the know-nothing talentless fool that he is. ;)
 

bsj

Renegade Crazed Genius
SoSH Member
Dec 6, 2003
22,774
Central NJ SoSH Chapter
In the midst of a corporate meeting, didn't want to take the convo to deep into the rabbit hole (or get tossed out, he is staff there)...bur did feel the need to at least get one jab in ...good times
 

mwonow

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 4, 2005
7,095
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/reggie-wayne-tom-brady-should-be-ineligible-for-mvp-because-he-cheated/

"There is no way Tom Brady can win MVP because he was caught cheating this year," Wayne said on the NFL Network's Total Access show.

hahaahahaa.... Someone's still bitter that they quit because Patriots camp was too tough.
Not to bring out old facts or anything - but the preponderance of evidence says there was no cheating, and the incident happened in 2014...
 

normstalls

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 15, 2004
4,486
Regarding the punt picture - I didn't watch the whole game, was there a time when Seattle was pooch punting? I am trying to understand the advantage of a slightly deflated ball while kicking.
 

tims4wins

PN23's replacement
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
37,058
Hingham, MA
The picture of the onside kick wasn't from last night. Hawks were in all blue last night. Looks to me like that was their divisional game @ Carolina
 

normstalls

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 15, 2004
4,486
I understood that one - an onside kick made sense to me. I was referring to the pic above it - the punt. I got the impression that was from last night.
 

normstalls

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 15, 2004
4,486
Got it, ok thanks. I would think you would want a ball over inflated if anything while looking to get maximum distance on a punt. I am not a scientist or a football player, so what do I know.
 

snowmanny

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2005
15,667
Here is a closeup of a puny little punter holding a ball in position to kick it:


Here is a fucking NFL linebacker squeezing a scandalously deflated football for dear life:


 

Cousin Walter01

New Member
Nov 6, 2015
33
Now the league has no choice but to honor established precedent and investigate the Seattle organization. I can't wait to read the final report in the offseason.
 

BuellMiller

New Member
Mar 25, 2015
449
Got it, ok thanks. I would think you would want a ball over inflated if anything while looking to get maximum distance on a punt. I am not a scientist or a football player, so what do I know.
I don't know. All those extra pounds of air in it might weigh the ball down too much if it was overinflated.
 

Harry Hooper

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
34,368
The league (officials) controls the K balls.
According to Peter King's article when he was embedded with an officiating crew, the teams do get a brief period on game day to brush/squash/torture the designated K footballs fresh out of the box before they are returned to a bag kept by the game officials.
 

derrotehahn

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 18, 2015
50
Rhode Island
Whether Seattle handled the balls or not is irrellevent. Both of these images are evidence that the league couldn't give less of a shit about PSI. The fact that both pictures are of Seattle special teams is just a coincidence.
 

CoffeeNerdness

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 6, 2012
8,713
Please let that get as much Sunday airtime as the Bo Jackson and Ice-T commercials combined. Something tells me Goodell doesn't take kindly to lighthearted, humorous trolling.