Doogie Drains 3s the Sam Hauser Thread

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Sam is big if true though. A 6'7" player with a 6'9-ish wingspan who can score at two levels (one seemingly at an elite clip) and credibly stay in front of people, even when being hunted, is pretty valuable.

Expecting him to shoot anywhere near his current 53.3% rate on just over four attempts per game (second only to KCP if you filter for four or more 3PA) is probably not realistic. In short order, other teams will adjust and sweat Hauser but Sam is showing flashes of nifty cuts and off ball movement that gets good shooters the slivers they need. This may be early and he may get run off the floor but why not enjoy it?

Boom?
 
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He’s everything Miami ever wanted out of Duncan Robinson.

Except he seemingly plays credible defense.
 

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3 years, 6 million, the third of which is a team option. A pure shooter with credible-enough defense is a huge bargain at that price.
 

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Tonight was probably his worst game on defense so far, and he wasn't that bad. And he's a damn bucket. Even if they run him off the line (and the word is out about him now), he can take it in for a respectable, short-midrange bunny or kick it. Kid is a pro.
 

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Sam is big if true though. A 6'7" player with a 6'9-ish wingspan who can score at two levels (one seemingly at an elite clip) and credibly stay in front of people, even when being hunted, is pretty valuable.

Expecting him to shoot anywhere near his current 53.3% rate on just over four attempts per game (second only to KCP if you filter for four or more 3PA) is probably not realistic. In short order, other teams will adjust and sweat Hauser but Sam is showing flashes of nifty cuts and off ball movement that gets good shooters the slivers they need. This may be early and he may get run off the floor but why not enjoy it?

Boom?
At this point, I don't see any way he gets run off the floor outside a couple really bad matchups. He stays in front of guys enough much, much better than I expected.

Really encouraged by how well he gets his shot off in tighter quarters; the dude gets it up in his minutes.

Mazzulla seems to be more and more comfortable with him, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him closing games at some point. The spacing is too real.
 

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3 years, 6 million, the third of which is a team option. A pure shooter with credible-enough defense is a huge bargain at that price.
Yeah, people lump all young guy contracts together as "cheap" mentally, but Grant is making 4.3M this year; PP similar next year.

Hauser is basically free for 3 years, which is completely ridiculous and also meaningful deep in the tax.
 

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Sam is big if true though. A 6'7" player with a 6'9-ish wingspan who can score at two levels (one seemingly at an elite clip) and credibly stay in front of people, even when being hunted, is pretty valuable.

Expecting him to shoot anywhere near his current 53.3% rate on just over four attempts per game (second only to KCP if you filter for four or more 3PA) is probably not realistic. In short order, other teams will adjust and sweat Hauser but Sam is showing flashes of nifty cuts and off ball movement that gets good shooters the slivers they need. This may be early and he may get run off the floor but why not enjoy it?

Boom?
On one play, he got the ball late in the shotclock and did an uptake-drive closeout-floater thing that surprised me.
 

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He doesn’t have the quickest feet on D but he moves them quite well and has good BBIQ to read a play and anticipate. And good size, as mentioned. He gave up some buckets and had a couple fouls last night from getting beat in ISO but nothing we don’t see from everyone once in a while (hi Grant). You can see players thinking they are about to destroy the guy but he makes them work for it.

Great weapon and we’ll see if he can stick in tougher matchups/into the playoffs but either way a really nice asset for the regular season at least.
 

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His length + defensive fundamentals will benefit from TL. SAM seems very capable of funneling his guy into the middle where TimeLord will provide a lot of help. Pleasantly surprised he hasn't fouled more (3.1/36) with the number of times he has been hunted.

Offensively, his movement, cutting, passing, screening, and finding space are high-level. He doesn't just sit in the corner, like a potted plant, waiting with his hands out (maybe Mazz deserves credit for his schemes?)

Closing games, situationally at first, should be experimented with. If this team is down 2-3pts, with the ball, under 20 seconds I'd like to see him on the floor to create space at the very least.

SAM needs to get penciled in for at least 20 mins/gm, regardless of the match-up. No more of these 11-minute Memphis game shenanigans
 

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I’ve said it a couple of times in game threads. His shooting form and release is as pretty as any stroke in the game.

It is early in the season and he is off to a fantastic start. He has already exceeded his minutes played vs last year. His eFG% of .808 is video game like and I think would lead the league except that it looks like he does not have enough shot attempts to qualify. The high rate is of course boosted by him taking threes at a 4:1 rate vs twos and hitting them at an amazing rate.

Really fun dude to watch and I hope he keeps it up, gets more minutes including in higher leverage situations and forces a big next contract.
 

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Dougie's "off" night (5-12) dropped his 3P% to .533, which puts him 6th in the league. Amazingly, there are 12 guys shooting 50% or better from 3P this year. (Old friend KO is still #2 to Josh Green, who is hitting 58.8%).

Loved the runner (floater) last night.
 

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I’ve said it a couple of times in game threads. His shooting form and release is as pretty as any stroke in the game.

It is early in the season and he is off to a fantastic start. He has already exceeded his minutes played vs last year. His eFG% of .808 is video game like and I think would lead the league except that it looks like he does not have enough shot attempts to qualify. The high rate is of course boosted by him taking threes at a 4:1 rate vs twos and hitting them at an amazing rate.

Really fun dude to watch and I hope he keeps it up, gets more minutes including in higher leverage situations and forces a big next contract.
Funnily enough his 3 point shooting is dragging down his eFG% since he is 6/7 on 2s.
 

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can a dope combine the threads?

@Montana Fan had a good Sam Hauser nickname: just simple ole "SAM" in honor of a Strategic Air Missile

My "Howitzer" moniker is clumsy

SAM-I-AM (play on Dr.Seuss/Kyrie, more in common than we realized) may be forced

I chuckled when I heard 3Sams (a play on threesomes, but maybe too XXX for this PC world)
 

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Yeah I loved the play last night where he caught the ball at the top of the arc, then drove and dropped the floater in the paint. This is what we hoped for from Nesmith, right?

My preferred nickname for him: Wing Hauser.
 

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Assuming Scalabrine is a reliable voice, he said something interesting last night. He rhetorically asked "why didn;t he play last year." and he answered himself by noting that he had improved his defense up to playable. If that's true, credit to the coaches, one of whom might now be the head coach. (If he keeps this up, I imagine we'll be hearing about his year-to-year change before too long).
 

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Assuming Scalabrine is a reliable voice, he said something interesting last night. He rhetorically asked "why didn;t he play last year." and he answered himself by noting that he had improved his defense up to playable. If that's true, credit to the coaches, one of whom might now be the head coach. (If he keeps this up, I imagine we'll be hearing about his year-to-year change before too long).
Credit to Sam too. It's a 24x365 job, unlike the days of guys drinking all summer or working second jobs and sweating out the fat in training camp. But there are degrees of effort, commitment, and focus that puts some players ahead of others. Seems that both the team and Hauser had a plan and executed it.
 

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I was trying to think of a parallel of going from Nesmith to Hauser. Replacing an Atari 2600 with an NES is as close as I got. Replacing Carlos Baerga with Ortiz is close I guess. Ryan Reynolds going from Green LAntern to Dead Pool?

I think I said this on here at some point, but I cannot imagine how much guys like Hauser resent guys like Romeo and Nesmith who have to prove they can't play because they were 1st round picks while he has been making shots year after year wherever he goes.
 

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Credit to Sam too. It's a 24x365 job, unlike the days of guys drinking all summer or working second jobs and sweating out the fat in training camp. But there are degrees of effort, commitment, and focus that puts some players ahead of others. Seems that both the team and Hauser had a plan and executed it.
Of course. "This is what you need to be an NBA player" can only go so far without the player's commitment.
 

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At this point, I don't see any way he gets run off the floor outside a couple really bad matchups. He stays in front of guys enough much, much better than I expected.
Also, all of this work is without Time Lord on the floor. If he's backed up by a DPOY quality big rather than what we're running out there now, he'll probably look even better.
 

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Yes. Which makes the option of trading Galinari for a defensive big an increasingly attractive option.
I don't think Gallinari will be on the block. Pritch maybe. I was wondering last night what it would take to pry Duren away from Detroit. Kid has an impressive NBA body at 18 (well, 19 now I guess), nice wingspan, obviously raw but strong and aggressive. Would Pritchard and a pick get it done, or is Duren too promising to let go? Obviously he won't stretch the floor, but then again, neither does Rob.

On Hauser: I thought he actually defended Bogdanovic okay last night, but Bogdanovic was just making shots all over. Hauser is decent holding his ground, and decent at chasing a shooter out on a fadeaway, but weak when someone drives straight into his body near the basket.
 

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I don't think Gallinari will be on the block. Pritch maybe. I was wondering last night what it would take to pry Duren away from Detroit. Kid has an impressive NBA body at 18 (well, 19 now I guess), nice wingspan, obviously raw but strong and aggressive. Would Pritchard and a pick get it done, or is Duren too promising to let go? Obviously he won't stretch the floor, but then again, neither does Rob.

On Hauser: I thought he actually defended Bogdanovic okay last night, but Bogdanovic was just making shots all over. Hauser is decent holding his ground, and decent at chasing a shooter out on a fadeaway, but weak when someone drives straight into his body near the basket.
Couldn't imagine Duren being dealt. That's the player they want to build around. Cade, Ivey, Duren is a good start
Noel may be bought out

If Gallinari's salary is needed to land a defensive BIG, Brad wouldn't hesitate in pulling the trigger
 

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There is something about Hauser where he just looks so. damn. slow. And, like, he’s slow for an NBA player, but he seems to appear slower than I think he is; some people just look like that. But he always seems to know where to be for the purposes of his role in the offense and, well, you don’t need to be super fast and cover ground quickly if you’re already in the right spot.
 

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I don't think Gallinari will be on the block. Pritch maybe. I was wondering last night what it would take to pry Duren away from Detroit. Kid has an impressive NBA body at 18 (well, 19 now I guess), nice wingspan, obviously raw but strong and aggressive. Would Pritchard and a pick get it done, or is Duren too promising to let go? Obviously he won't stretch the floor, but then again, neither does Rob.

On Hauser: I thought he actually defended Bogdanovic okay last night, but Bogdanovic was just making shots all over. Hauser is decent holding his ground, and decent at chasing a shooter out on a fadeaway, but weak when someone drives straight into his body near the basket.
It just makes too much sense to put Gallo on the block: not only can you match $10Mish salaries easily with him in there, trading him drastically lowers the tax impact of such a deal.
 

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It just makes too much sense to put Gallo on the block: not only can you match $10Mish salaries easily with him in there, trading him drastically lowers the tax impact of such a deal.
Exactly. A lot of the more attractive options make too much money - Pritchard alone won’t get it done. Though I’d assume Pritchard would also be included in any deal. Though I’m pretty sure the Cs can’t trade Gallo until December 15th.
 

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Exactly. A lot of the more attractive options make too much money - Pritchard alone won’t get it done. Though I’d assume Pritchard would also be included in any deal. Though I’m pretty sure the Cs can’t trade Gallo until December 15th.
We should make a list of every sub $15M center at some point, in another thread.
 

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I think Abby and NBCSB were trying to push “the human torch” or the “blow torch” at the start of the season, something she heard from the players, since he heats up quick.

Torch Hauser?
 

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If Gallinari's salary is needed to land a defensive BIG, Brad wouldn't hesitate in pulling the trigger
I agree, it makes sense. I was mainly doubtful about the trade because it seems kind of cold. Gallinari obviously wanted to come here to try to get a ring; not sure if he took a below-market rate on salary as well? But it's a business, I know.
 

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Have to wonder if Ime were still around if he'd be getting these minutes. Four months ago they really could have used this type of play- particularly with Grant being an absolute offensive black hole in the finals. So the kid either had one hell of a summer break or Ime had a complete blind spot (or maybe a mix of both) Either way, I'm glad JM is giving him the run he deserves.
 

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Either way, I'm glad JM is giving him the run he deserves.
I wonder too if Mazz has a little bug in his ear, with the initials BS, and Ime, being a bit older and more independent, didn't so much. E.g., we know Brad's a Kornet fan, and after Kornet sat early in the season, he started seeing some action (to be fair, that could be related to his ankle injury too). In any event, I think Mazz respects Brad greatly, and is probably seeking out his opinions on a wide range of things. I like 'em both a lot so far, in their roles, so no complaints here.
 

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I agree, it makes sense. I was mainly doubtful about the trade because it seems kind of cold. Gallinari obviously wanted to come here to try to get a ring; not sure if he took a below-market rate on salary as well? But it's a business, I know.
Brad owes it to Tatum, Brown, Horford, Smart, etc to add to their Championship drive.

Danillo would probably get bought out which means he could resign with Boston next season when he's healthy.
Rubio and Joe Ingles were both traded last season as salary filler to add to playoff teams, no one thought for a second that Utah/Cleveland did anything wrong.

It's not even a "business move" since it will probably cost Wyc TAX dollars and assets. It's a pure basketball decision.
 

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I think I said this on here at some point, but I cannot imagine how much guys like Hauser resent guys like Romeo and Nesmith who have to prove they can't play because they were 1st round picks while he has been making shots year after year wherever he goes.
I'm sure this is generally right, but in this specifc case Hauser has not really spent much time languishing behind the others.

The Celtics signed him to a 2-way deal last year and here, in year 2, he has carved out a meaningful role as a rotation player. That's moving faster than either of Romeo and Nesmith, both of whom are gone anyway.

BTW, how is this for a weird fact: Sam Hauser is ~4 months older than Jayson Tatum.
 

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Did Hauser get in much better condition over the summer? Take a zillion shots?

In other word, he is a much different looking guy this year in practice than he was last year?

Or is it down to Mazzulla believing in him more than Udoka did?

It sure would have had a player like this in last year's playoffs.
 

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Did Hauser get in much better condition over the summer? Take a zillion shots?

In other word, he is a much different looking guy this year in practice than he was last year?

Or is it down to Mazzulla believing in him more than Udoka did?

It sure would have had a player like this in last year's playoffs.
Pretty sure that it was personal trainer shit, working on his core and footspeed and stuff like that.

I didn't see enough of him last year to form much of an opinion on his defense and physicality (who among us did?), but it's a reasonable inference that he couldn't hang defensively and thus languished on the bench. Clearly this year he can hang defensively and has more than adequate positional awareness and short-space quickness. The only logical conclusion is that--besides hoisting a million shots as usual--he spent a lot of the offseason on both body and defensive technique improvements.
 

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I'm sure this is generally right, but in this specifc case Hauser has not really spent much time languishing behind the others.

The Celtics signed him to a 2-way deal last year and here, in year 2, he has carved out a meaningful role as a rotation player. That's moving faster than either of Romeo and Nesmith, both of whom are gone anyway.

BTW, how is this for a weird fact: Sam Hauser is ~4 months older than Jayson Tatum.
Except he played well in only 6 minutes a game in 26 games last year while Nesmith shot 27% from 3 in 11 minutes per game in 52 games. Langford played 16 minutes a game in 44 games, both guys were playing way more than him, and had previous poor years in the NBA and whenever he got to play he played better, but time after time they got eh call and not him. really the biggest difference is pedigree. Romeo rode his ranking as high school player and Nesmith his "best shooter in the draft" report to much bigger opportunities.
 

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Did Hauser get in much better condition over the summer? Take a zillion shots?

In other word, he is a much different looking guy this year in practice than he was last year?

Or is it down to Mazzulla believing in him more than Udoka did?

It sure would have had a player like this in last year's playoffs.
If this is sustainable, they have him now.

Rehashing history is not my thing but the people making the point about his shooting being needed last season are ignoring exactly what you reference. We don't know how much of an impact Hauser would have had because we don't know what kind of player he was last season. Maybe he is the Haus Fire. Maybe he was dollar store Nesmith.

In any event, his skill set fits nicely anywhere but the Cs simply needed this piece to be more complete. Another shooter clearly helps spacing but the other potential knock on effect is that players like Smart - who really deserves more credit than he gets for scaling back his shooting - and White can look to score in the flow of the game rather than having to be a scorer when Tatum and/or Brown are struggling.

Maybe...
 

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I kinda wish we had managed to keep Matt Ryan as well, but I feel like between the two, the Celtics kept the right one.