Dougie Hamilton traded to Calgary - signed for 6 x $5.75

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NickEsasky said:
It's not just this this group. The Bruins history with first round picks in the last 20 years is abysmal. Outside of Krejci the B's haven't had a first round pick who has stuck with the team more than a few years. I mean all teams will have misses, but this goes beyond that. Even the guys they hit on were shipped out of town before their second contract. Look at the list, it's not pretty.
http://bruins.nhl.com/club/draftstats.htm?year=All&round=All&team=BOS
 
Krejci was a 2nd round pick.
 

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If he wanted out, then fine, they had to trade him. The problem is why do they continue to foster an environment that sucks for big-time young talent? You could say it was a Kessel-thing and maybe even a Seguin-thing but let's be honest at this point they've lost the benefit of the doubt to say that this was a Hamilton-thing. They love to pick out the flaws seemingly above all else, as if there are all these magically perfect players out there. 
 

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If he wanted out, then fine, they had to trade him. The problem is why do they continue to foster an environment that sucks for big-time young talent? You could say it was a Kessel-thing and maybe even a Seguin-thing but let's be honest at this point they've lost the benefit of the doubt to say that this was a Hamilton-thing. They love to pick out the flaws seemingly above all else, as if there are all these magically perfect players out there. 
 
As I said above, the "perfect" player they have in mind is Bergeron, who was the rare kid who was as grown-up at 18 as anyone else is at 35 and whose game is naturally defensive-oriented from the beginning. It's like they expect every one of their young talent to be just like him. But he's a fucking Jedi, it's grossly unfair to expect every 18-22 year old player to be just like him.
 

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Krejci was a 2nd round pick.
That's right. I forgot they didn't have a 1st that year. Makes it look even worse then. If you're a Bruins 1st round pick, I'd recommend renting not buying. 
 

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I don't think he wanted out. The more I think of this it could be a very good veteran agent (J.P Barry) attempting to take advantage of a rookie GM. He throws a high number out there assuming that Sweeney & Neely don't want to turn this into a Kessel or Seguin situation and he'll be able to get a huge deal. It's been obvious that Hamilton's camp has been throwing the $7 million number out through media guys like Haggerty for weeks. Then when they turn around and trade him Barry actually has to get real. Of course in the end the Bruins are the real losers here for getting a lousy return when they should've just called the agents bluff. I want to play poker with these guys some day. Hopefully they learn from this.
 

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Why does everyone think he botched it? Isn't it clear between what Sweeney said and how quickly he signed with Calgary for this amount that he did not want to be here moving forward?
He botched it because he didn't even have to trade him.  Hamilton was a RFA and Sweeney could have matched any offer put out for him.  If Hamilton didn't like it, he could go scratch because Sweeney had all the leverage.  Just because somebody doesn't want to be in a place doesn't mean you trade the player at the drop of a hat.  
 

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PedroSpecialK said:
https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/615935653348401152
 
Just a dreadful revelation. $6.5m would've gotten it done easily.
So the negotiation went:
Sweeney: We can offer 4 years $21M Total
Hamilton: We want 7/$49
 
Sweeney: I guess we're done here.
 
Also, if I'm not mistaken Hamilton was not eligible for an NTC.
 

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Steve Dillard said:
Between Hamilton, Seguin and Kessel wanting out, it's almost as if young players don't want to play for a coach who criticizes every mistake and won't play them to their strengths.
What the fuck are you talking about?
 

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So the negotiation went:
Sweeney: We can offer 4 years $21M Total
Hamilton: We want 7/$49
 
Sweeney: I guess we're done here.
 
Also, if I'm not mistaken Hamilton was not eligible for an NTC.
 
According to Dreger they offered 4, 5 and 6 year deals. They negotiated. 
 

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They reportedly offered 6/$33 before the draft. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I don't think they'd panic trade him out of town over $1.5 million spread over 6 years. Dougie didn't want to be here. Fine. Let's figure out why this keeps happening with high picks.

The return was terrible. Both teams probably knew what the contract would be, and the compensation was a 1,2,3. Sweeney accelerated the picks to 2015 and nabbed a 2nd instead of he 3rd. Don't agree with that strategy. I think the better play would've been to let him sign an offer sheet, match, and then work out a deal.
thy name is Claude and his playing style.
 

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What the fuck are you talking about?
Fire Claude. 
 
I love people talking about the Kessel trade like it's something the Bruins should regret, or that they didn't reach unprecedented success after making it. 
 

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I love it because the Kessel trade is the reason we are having this conversation to start with.
 
It's like an infinite loop of stupid.
 

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thy name is Claude and his playing style.
Yes, it's Claude's fault that he allowed Dougie to become a 42pt defenseman at 22 while being 2nd on the team in TOI for the year. He really held him back, the nerve of Claude.
 

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According to Dreger they offered 4, 5 and 6 year deals. They negotiated. 
1: I was obviously not being overly serious.
2.  Offering multi term deals does not mean they truly engaged in a negotiation.  They could have said here are your options  4/$21  5/$25  6/$33 (or whatever).  If you want to earn a bigger payday, take the 4 years and we'll talk then.
 

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Claude's defensive scheme was bad because it didn't play to the strengths of . . . his young defenseman?
 

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Your posts are like a book of fucking madlibs.
It's impressive when people are so aggressively committed to being wrong.
 
I mean, let's remember the "cap hell" that Chiarelli left them in, Fire Chia!
 
Oh wait.
 

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Eddie Jurak said:
Kessel is different from the others - they got value back for him.
That was more due to Toronto being awful. Nobody thought they'd be 2nd overall bad at the time of the trade. The RFA compensation for Kessel was something like a 1st and two 2nds. They turned a 2 into a 1 and called it a day. Same thing appears to have happened here. Turned a 3 into a 2.

I don't agre with the strategy, but this is a carbon copy of the Kessel trade. They just didn't drag it out into training camp.
 

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cshea said:
They reportedly offered 6/$33 before the draft. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I don't think they'd panic trade him out of town over $1.5 million spread over 6 years. Dougie didn't want to be here. Fine. Let's figure out why this keeps happening with high picks.

The return was terrible. Both teams probably knew what the contract would be, and the compensation was a 1,2,3. Sweeney accelerated the picks to 2015 and nabbed a 2nd instead of he 3rd. Don't agree with that strategy. I think the better play would've been to let him sign an offer sheet, match, and then work out a deal.
If this is what the offer sheet would have returned why is this considered a bad trade?
 

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Yes, it's Claude's fault that he allowed Dougie to become a 42pt defenseman at 22 while being 2nd on the team in TOI for the year. He really held him back, the nerve of Claude.
just because they played well, it doesn't mean that players enjoy his coaching or his system possibly. I am not saying it's definitely the reason, but he's the common theme no?

It's also possible the front office is too restrictive on young guys as well and it's their fault rather than Claude's. It's odd that every high talent young guy that comes through leaves very early in their careers.
 

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The Four Peters said:
It's impressive when people are so aggressively committed to being wrong.
 
I mean, let's remember the "cap hell" that Chiarelli left them in, Fire Chia!
 
Oh wait.
firing Chiarelli is still not necessarily the wrong decision. The wrong decision looks like it was hiring Sweeney and giving Neely more power.
 

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just because they played well, it doesn't mean that players don't enjoy his coaching or his system possibly. I am not saying it's definitely the reason, but he's the common theme no?

It's also possible the front office is too restrictive on young guys as well and it's their fault rather than Claude's. It's odd that every high talent I young guy that comes through leaves very early in their careers.
You're the common theme. These young players keep leaving because you touch yourself.
 

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You think I'm going to keep spending those bitcoins on your cam without getting some payoff?!?
 

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This number certainly gives significant credence to the idea that Dougie wanted to be elsewhere.  The return is still so, so bad, but it makes me realize that there was more to this situation than we may have known.  
 

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Myt1 said:
You think I'm going to keep spending those bitcoins on your cam without getting some payoff?!?
So that's where the bitcoins are coming from. Dougie may have stayed if you just offered all those coins to him instead.
 

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BoSoxFink said:
just because they played well, it doesn't mean that players enjoy his coaching or his system possibly. I am not saying it's definitely the reason, but he's the common theme no?

It's also possible the front office is too restrictive on young guys as well and it's their fault rather than Claude's. It's odd that every high talent young guy that comes through leaves very early in their careers.
Good thing Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, and Lucic were all grizzled veterans when they started playing for Claude.
 

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Good thing Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, and Lucic were all grizzled veterans when they started playing for Claude.
 
Seguin had nothing but nice things to say about Claude as well if I recall.
 

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Good thing Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, and Lucic were all grizzled veterans when they started playing for Claude.
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Lucic did not come in as hyped top of the first round draft picks and by no means were as talented as Kessel, Seguin or Hamilton. They had to work hard and improve to get where they were. They weren't expected to be superstars from the moment they were drafted.

What I think is that it's more of a problem where the kids who come in and are entitled are the ones that don't seem to work out well.
 

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BoSoxFink said:
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Lucic did not come in as hyped top of the first round draft picks and by no means were as talented as Kessel, Seguin or Hamilton. They had to work hard and improve to get where they were. They weren't expected to be superstars from the moment they were drafted.
Hype does not equal talent.  Bergeron is uber talented.  The guy made the league as an 18YO and scored 31 goals in his 2nd NHL season.  Lucic made the team at 19.  That's all about talent.  I'm also sure that Marchand doesn't look at himself as a grinder wishing if only he was as talented as Seguin.   These guys have egos every bit as big as higher picks. 
 
If I say it's because they thought Boston girls are all fugly and they wanted to play some place with more "talent" it's just as likely as they wanted to get away from Claude. 
 

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This sounds fishy as hell. What happened that he didn't want to be here anymore?

This is incredibly annoying.
 

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Has anyone, anywhere actually liked their hockey coach?  It's not exactly an occupation that rewards the warm and fuzzies. 
 

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BoSoxFink said:
Well now I feel great. Felger is blaming Claude now on the radio as we speak, also fluto is guessing that too
If CJ is solely the reason, this is just odd. I mean, I think he is a dead man walking--So if your young "star" defenseman has a problem with Julien to the point of wanting to leave---wouldn't they entertain moving CJ and keeping Dougie "comfortable" ?

Unless they just don't want him regardless of Julien's employment status.

Then again, I could be way off base and CJ is not in fact, toast.

Or this has nothing to do with him at all.
 

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BoSoxFink said:
Well now I feel great. Felger is blaming Claude now on the radio as we speak, also fluto is guessing that too
 
 
That may have some merit given how quickly Claude was to bash Hamilton on his way out.
Rather unusual for Claude to make a comment like he did about Hamilton.
 

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That may have some merit given how quickly Claude was to bash Hamilton on his way out.
Rather unusual for Claude to make a comment like he did about Hamilton.
What'd he say? I haven't seen anything but obviously I might have missed something.
 

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What'd he say? I haven't seen anything but obviously I might have missed something.
Paraphrasing, but something like "these kids come in and after 3 years want huge contracts without earning their due"

Edit: I guess Dougie sidestepped all Boston related questions during his introductory press conference in Calgary. Bean apparently asked him if he wanted to deny that he wanted a trade, and he just said "no comment"