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Cellar-Door

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How much does this really hurt? Did we lose out on another second rounder or future first? Or more?
probably a future 1st and a top 40 pick this year, possibly a little less, but also at least as likely more.
 

DJnVa

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I can’t really be mad at Mayo for today. They played Milton all game.

The Bills don’t want NE getting more assets.
 

Mooch

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Fucking infuriating. 4th pick in a draft with only three marquee players.
 

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the good news is that a coach who is confident he's staying likely doesn't try to sabotage future roster building by doing this. A coach who thinks he's fired probably does.

Worst case at this point is that they draft 4 and Mayo / Wolf is somehow still on the team next year
 

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Disaster dropping all the way to 4th, Bills were awful but still total incompetence by the coaching team not to manufacture a loss.

A meaningless win which takes away a ton of options in the draft.

I’m livid with them. Sack them all.
 

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I stick to my belief that no team would trade two first rounders for these QBs. So I am not as bummed.
They wouldn’t. But an extra couple of seconds or a first is better than, well, nothing. There are so many holes on this team that they need quantity as much as quality.

I will say I’m not crushed to not have a shot at Travis Hunter, I see the allure but a guy who probably profiles as a corner didn’t make a ton of sense for them at that slot.
 

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They wouldn’t. But an extra couple of seconds or a first is better than, well, nothing. There are so many holes on this team that they need quantity as much as quality.

I will say I’m not crushed to not have a shot at Travis Hunter, I see the allure but a guy who probably profiles as a corner didn’t make a ton of sense for them at that slot.
I agree on Hunter, whose most value comes from playing both ways, which he probably won't in the NFL.
 

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OK, I have a crazy idea I want to talk about: trade Maye for a legit fortune, and roll the dice on Milton. I want to be clear that I do NOT think that one game against backups shows us that Milton has what it takes. I am talking about a low-probability, high-upside gamble. This is how I see the Pats recreating the Lions success: give away the better quarterback to someone who is going to pay a lot for it. Take a chance with a worse one. 75% chance of failure, but 25% chance of glory. Keeping Maye ups the odds by how much?
 

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We just watched a well coach team elegantly lay down to ensure their poorly coached rival doesn’t get #1.

We suck so bad.
 

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OK, I have a crazy idea I want to talk about: trade Maye for a legit fortune, and roll the dice on Milton. I want to be clear that I do NOT think that one game against backups shows us that Milton has what it takes. I am talking about a low-probability, high-upside gamble. This is how I see the Pats recreating the Lions success: give away the better quarterback to someone who is going to pay a lot for it. Take a chance with a worse one. 75% chance of failure, but 25% chance of glory. Keeping Maye ups the odds by how much?
This is the most SoSH post ever. I’m not picking on you specifically because lots of people do this sort of thing here mostly on the main board.

“Hey we have someone that’s really good. Let’s trade them away and see what we can get!”

Trade Maye away for a low probability/high upside gamble? I’d rather not.
 

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We just watched a well coach team elegantly lay down to ensure their poorly coached rival doesn’t get #1.

We suck so bad.
this is what makes it really suck. They WANTED the Pats to win and it still couldn’t be accomplished.
theres literally 0 redeeming factors to this win. I hate it
 

Auger34

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OK, I have a crazy idea I want to talk about: trade Maye for a legit fortune, and roll the dice on Milton. I want to be clear that I do NOT think that one game against backups shows us that Milton has what it takes. I am talking about a low-probability, high-upside gamble. This is how I see the Pats recreating the Lions success: give away the better quarterback to someone who is going to pay a lot for it. Take a chance with a worse one. 75% chance of failure, but 25% chance of glory. Keeping Maye ups the odds by how much?
no….just no. Keep Maye.
 

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Also, along the same lines, Milton isn’t worth a high draft pick.
 

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So what does this mean? We are at worst the 3rd pick?
Even if you’re the highest picker with the same record (because of SOS), the picks flip in round two so you get the worst pick of the tied teams in the even rounds. Removing one of those teams moves those picks up.
 

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So what does this mean? We are at worst the 3rd pick?
4th pick

but all the 4-13 teams are snaked in subsequent rounds. So less of those (Carolina and bears is now 5-12) keeps them out of that re-ordering and thus keeps the Pats higher
 

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this is what makes it really suck. They WANTED the Pats to win and it still couldn’t be accomplished.
theres literally 0 redeeming factors to this win. I hate it
I get this reaction but I think we need to get past it. Team still has a top 4 pick. There will be options. Team can still do plenty this off-season with the right decisions. Let's start those threads!
 

genoasalami

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What really sucks is that none of this is a surprise. Did you really expect this franchise, as it stands now, to do anything right?
 

Auger34

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I get this reaction but I think we need to get past it. Team still has a top 4 pick. There will be options. Team can still do plenty this off-season with the right decisions. Let's start those threads!
you’re right but this is the immediate reaction. And, let’s be clear…it really fucking sucks
 

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I get this reaction but I think we need to get past it. Team still has a top 4 pick. There will be options. Team can still do plenty this off-season with the right decisions. Let's start those threads!
This is kind of where I am. Wish the NFL had a lottery to avoid this kind of stuff at the end of the year, but it is what it is. They should still be able to add some really good players. Should being the key word.
 

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Spending the offseason dreaming about Hunter at #1 or trading #1 to the highest bidder to move down a few slots and still pick up a stud and some 2nd rounders was going to make this pathetic season feel somewhat worthwhile. Now, we'll just get to debate whether the Pats will draft Graham or go for Cole Strange 2.0 at #4.
 

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This is kind of where I am. Wish the NFL had a lottery to avoid this kind of stuff at the end of the year, but it is what it is. They should still be able to add some really good players. Should being the key word.
Ironically today will be proof to the NFL that they don’t need a lottery since the Pats won
 

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OK, I have a crazy idea I want to talk about: trade Maye for a legit fortune, and roll the dice on Milton. I want to be clear that I do NOT think that one game against backups shows us that Milton has what it takes. I am talking about a low-probability, high-upside gamble. This is how I see the Pats recreating the Lions success: give away the better quarterback to someone who is going to pay a lot for it. Take a chance with a worse one. 75% chance of failure, but 25% chance of glory. Keeping Maye ups the odds by how much?
I don’t want to talk about this. Maybe just shout it at a brick wall?
 
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Less important but noteworthy, the Pats also drop in the 2nd round to 7th (39th) from 35th.

Edit - already kind of touched on above
 

Cellar-Door

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So locked into the 4th pick.....

Top guys on the board will likely be... Carter, Graham and Johnson. Carter is probably the best fit and most premium position there. OTs in that area.... Banks and Campbell though both may be guards and neither is a top 5 lock like previous years have had. McMillan is WR 1 most places, best I've seen (Mike Renner) is he's an Odunze level prospect, others think he's not as good and more of a mid-1st talent.

This is one spot where losing the pick hurts. Trading down from 1 to 4,5,6 and getting an Abdul Carter or similar then having the juice to jump back up into the 1st for a Josh Simmons or Ersery or similar LT prospect would have been great.

Edit- Here is an example of a 3 round mock trading down... would have this and probably a future 2nd or 3rd
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Now here is a 3 round mock with the 4th pick.

94286
 
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DJnVa

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I agree on Hunter, whose most value comes from playing both ways, which he probably won't in the NFL.
I keep seeing this--if everyone knows he "probably" won't play both ways in the NFL, then his top of the 1st round draft value doesn't factor that in.
 

Steve Dillard

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Last year was critical to get all the losses, e.g, to the Giants. The Pats now have the most expensive draft piece they needed. From what I understand the draft lacks a clear #1 (and QB) that usually warrant “getting a haul” so that was never in the cards.
They can still get value. Whatever team needs a qb was always likely to only need to jockey to 4, not to 1. So we are still in a position to get some extra capital for allowing Vegas to take Cam Ward or Shadeur. Or if both are gone then we still get to trade down for a OT or WR.
At this point actual talent evaluation is 5000x the issue more than an extra second.
 

Cellar-Door

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I keep seeing this--if everyone knows he "probably" won't play both ways in the NFL, then his top of the 1st round draft value doesn't factor that in.
A lot of people still have him there on the "well you'll get something extra out of him"... but I do think the best think he's just a really good CB and this draft is weak at the top.