ECF Game 6 - Tired of this %*#*

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See, this is just not true. They have 3 maybe 4 seasons left to win before Tatum & brown probably both demand out. This is just the way the NBA is now. You have to win immediately or you may never get another chance. 3 times in 4 years losing in ECF & not breaking through is a disaster. They will likely never get this good of a chance again.
Those 2 are here until at least 2025.

2024 will be the key year. Both Jay's in their prime and Durant will have aged out of being a top 10 player. Giannis moving to the western conference would be nice but I see him in Miami.
 

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Tatum was 9 for 26 tonite. Didn't realize he'd missed so many shots. He had some great moments, but you need a better shooting performance from him in an elimination game.
 

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See, this is just not true. They have 3 maybe 4 seasons left to win before Tatum & brown probably both demand out. This is just the way the NBA is now. You have to win immediately or you may never get another chance. 3 times in 4 years losing in ECF & not breaking through is a disaster. They will likely never get this good of a chance again.
Literally the only team that has “won immediately” is the Lakers and they happen to have the best player ever on their team. For fucks sake Stephen Curry was four fucking years older than Tatum when the Dubs won their first championship. People need to settle down.

Edit: and even the Lakers had to suffer through one terrible season with LeBron before getting AD.
 

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It's going to be a long two months for these Celtics until the 2020-2021 season begins. The Finals were right there for them, and they let a less talented Miami team impose their will on the Celtics. Very disappointing that the Celtics didn't even put in a B effort in an elimination game.
 

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Sure. There are other young players in the league who will get better too. Growth in Tatum and Brown will at least be partially offset by this with respect to getting back here.

It’s really hard to make an ECF. Many assume we’ll be back but there is no guarantee of that.

They needed to break through this year. It was all there except they melted down so much.
Got it. I guess where I differ is that I think that Tatum's ceiling is higher than most of those other 22 year olds, and Brown is a pretty special Robin. I don't disagree that making the ECF is hard, but I actually think they sort of overachieved this year.
 

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Many positive steps this year but a real shitty finish. Just can’t get over the blown games. Tatum and Brown will get better but so will the rest of the league.

This was a great season but a huge missed opportunity at the same time.
it's easy to say this.. but Tatum and Brown are both under 23 years old.. they have a lot of growing potential.
 

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If they’re making any move this offseason it should be trading Smart. I love his defense, but I think his offensive involvement kills this team more than it helps. He’s constantly jacking up 3s every chance he gets(13 tonight). It’s great when he’s going well but it’s few and far between. When he makes a couple he seems to get the license to shoot and will not stop no matter what. I’m not sure he’s ever going to change in that regard. He can not be taking away shots from Tatum and Brown as they take over this team. In this series, look what his 3PA are when they win and lose.
 

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It's a bummer to see it end like this but this team gave me a ton of joy--particularly after the COVID break. I was skeptical that the bubble season could work at all and I am glad that I was wrong.

Jayson and Jaylen improved so much, guys and gals. It's so exciting to watch! And while they don't have the same potential, I loved watching the Williamses in the playoffs. I'm psyched for the future.

Also, shout out to the larger Port Cellar forum. I don't post a ton in there but I do read a lot (and hopefully learn a lot from you all). When HRB, lovegtm, nighthob (and so many others) are posting, I'm thrilled to hear their thoughts. Similarly, DannyDarwinism's draft input. MBPC is a terrific resource in so many ways. Thank you all for a great year. Why do we have to wait so long for the dang draft?!
 

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I blame the all star game, from which kemba never really recovered. he is slated to be (and was fulfilling) the role of gifted closer.. that mostly went away post injury.

The question is whether he can recover, or is now past his prime?
 

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Tatum was 9 for 26 tonite. Didn't realize he'd missed so many shots. He had some great moments, but you need a better shooting performance from him in an elimination game.
I don’t think they ever consistently schemed to get him looks in advantageous spots. He had to work really hard any time he stepped inside the arc. Was asking a little too much not to find him actual matchups he could attack.
 

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If they’re making any move this offseason it should be trading Smart. I love his defense, but I think his offensive involvement kills this team more than it helps. He’s constantly jacking up 3s every chance he gets(13 tonight). It’s great when he’s going well but it’s few and far between. When he makes a couple he seems to get the license to shoot and will not stop no matter what. I’m not sure he’s ever going to change in that regard. He can not be taking away shots from Tatum and Brown as they take over this team. In this series, look what his 3PA are when they win and lose.
I couldn’t disagree with this more strongly. They wouldn’t have even made the ECF it was wasn’t for Smart.
 

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It's going to be a long two months for these Celtics until the 2020-2021 season begins. The Finals were right there for them, and they let a less talented Miami team impose their will on the Celtics. Very disappointing that the Celtics didn't even put in a B effort in an elimination game.
Talent only takes you so far. Heat aren’t that far away talent wise either, but they are well coached and tough minded. They also have a player(Bam) who the Celtics are not equipped to cover. That has to be addressed in the offseason.
 

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If they’re making any move this offseason it should be trading Smart. I love his defense, but I think his offensive involvement kills this team more than it helps. He’s constantly jacking up 3s every chance he gets(13 tonight). It’s great when he’s going well but it’s few and far between. When he makes a couple he seems to get the license to shoot and will not stop no matter what. I’m not sure he’s ever going to change in that regard. He can not be taking away shots from Tatum and Brown as they take over this team. In this series, look what his 3PA are when they win and lose.
I don’t agree with this at all. He is All defensive and his offensive game is getting better. He is a keeper for sure.
 

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This team was seriously close to being the EC champs. This series easily could have gone the other way. It didn't. But the fact that it didn't doesn't mean that you have to make major changes, but it should cause you to ask what needs to happen to get over the hump.

1. Another year of development from Tatum, Brown, Grant W, and Rob W. All gained enormous and significant experience this year.

2. Better health from Hayward and Kemba.

3. Langford making the next big step forward in his game.

4. Add another really good shooter, even if he's marginal on defense. We saw in this series how important great shooting is. The threat of Dragic, Robinson, and Herro meant that Boston's middle was open for Bam all series long. Who's available? I dunno. Haven't done the homework on that.

This team is really good with two incredible young stars bordering on superstardom. They're really close.
 

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If they’re making any move this offseason it should be trading Smart. I love his defense, but I think his offensive involvement kills this team more than it helps. He’s constantly jacking up 3s every chance he gets(13 tonight). It’s great when he’s going well but it’s few and far between. When he makes a couple he seems to get the license to shoot and will not stop no matter what. I’m not sure he’s ever going to change in that regard. He can not be taking away shots from Tatum and Brown as they take over this team. In this series, look what his 3PA are when they win and lose.
What, no, just no
 

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it's easy to say this.. but Tatum and Brown are both under 23 years old.. they have a lot of growing potential.
So did Durant and Westbrook. I’m just sick at the missed opportunity. I’ll snap out of it eventually but this one stings.
 

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Those 2 are here until at least 2025.

2024 will be the key year. Both Jay's in their prime and Durant will have aged out of being a top 10 player. Giannis moving to the western conference would be nice but I see him in Miami.
Yeah hopefully. We don’t know that. Cavs thought they had Lebron forever, thunder KD, pelicans AD, Spurs Kawhi etc. Far far greater likelihood that both Tatum & Brown demand trades and end their careers elsewhere. Gotta take advantage of these opportunities when you have them.
 

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Scary that this game, in some ways, hinged on trying to steal a minute with Theis instead of just leaving in Grant. Theis got abused for a solid minute and that was that.
 

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People want to get rid of Kemba or Brown when Hayward has spent half his Celtics career in a hospital gown.
He’s a goner, we don’t have to try to get rid of him. Kemba has years left and can’t play D at all. He he’s to be able to fill it up. I like him as a man and as a locker room guy but His offensive dominance disappeared with one of these injuries he had
 

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Miami's (shortened) bench was the difference with 34 points on 18 shots, with the Celtics putting up only 17 points on 16 shots.

Probably not a good idea for Smart to be hoisting 22 shots, while Brown gets only 17.
 

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Scary that this game, in some ways, hinged on trying to steal a minute with Theis instead of just leaving in Grant. Theis got abused for a solid minute and that was that.
Also went to shit right after Hayward came back in. He was so bad tonight. I admire him for playing hurt and missing the birth of his son, but he was an abject disaster on the court.
 

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Does he? Miami played 7 guys and it took an incredibly unlikely game from Iggy to make it work. Miami did not show great depth in this series. Hayward injury was a real killer and the depth on these two teams was pretty equal.
Crowder really helped them get the 2-0 lead. Riley was aggressive at the trade deadline and it paid off.
 

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Does he? Miami played 7 guys and it took an incredibly unlikely game from Iggy to make it work. Miami did not show great depth in this series. Hayward injury was a real killer and the depth on these two teams was pretty equal.
Depends on how you score Riley's work. Either Herro's parthenogenesis and Iggy's single, gigantic clutch game are a credit to Riley's team construction or they happened unrelated to it.
 

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See, this is just not true. They have 3 maybe 4 seasons left to win before Tatum & brown probably both demand out. This is just the way the NBA is now. You have to win immediately or you may never get another chance. 3 times in 4 years losing in ECF & not breaking through is a disaster. They will likely never get this good of a chance again.
We sure are a spoiled city.
 

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clean up the damn offensive discipline when it's close & late. 3 point efficiency just isn't the same in the playoffs, need a different plan. No one on the team has strengths like a Curry or Klay, but they sure act like it at times.
 

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I want to know what TimeLord did in his 15 or so minutes on the floor, combined, in games 4 and 6, that Brad decided they were better off with him on the bench for the entire second half of those games. He was a combined +13 in those minutes, FTR.

Yeah, Miami scored a few baskets when he was in, but they scored a fuckton of baskets when he wasn't in, and to my eyes, it wasn't his man scoring or his responsibility in most of those instances.

Whatever, I'm dejected by this series. They had chances, and Brad pushed all the wrong buttons, and on the flip side, everything Spo did worked, and the Heat had a giant horseshoe up their ass for most of it. Lucky the Leprechaun got outplayed.
 

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Also went to shit right after Hayward came back in. He was so bad tonight. I admire him for playing hurt and missing the birth of his son, but he was an abject disaster on the court.
Why, exactly, Stevens saw fit to abandon a lineup that was humming is a question only he can answer.
 

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I do wonder what would have happened if the C's go up 3-0 on the Raptors. Are they more well-rested and that would have been the difference? is the mental game better in what would have probably been a sweep or 5 game series win instead of 7?
 

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I couldn’t disagree with this more strongly. They wouldn’t have even made the ECF it was wasn’t for Smart.
They need to tinker with the roster and Smart has the contract with the most value. Like I said, I like what he brings to the table defensively as we all do. He’s a good character guy and when hot adds offense. But, when the ball sticks with him and he gets in the mode of jacking 3s up it kills the flow of the offense. I would see what I can get for him.
 

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Started the 4th on a 10-2 run. Defensive effort was fantastic, got a few steals and turned them into points, had Miami on their heels, and then someone unplugged the controller. I don’t understand it. Yeah Miami went on an insane run but so would the Red Claws if they got to play that version of the Celtics in the last 6 minutes.
Theis' return to the game was an absolute disaster. The game turned around completely when he re-entered; and the points given up all revolved around his man.
And, most likely it wouldn't have changed things, but why, oh why, did Brad take his challenge home with him. That was not a block on Smart and it would have given them a good minute to calm things down to boot.
 

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If they’re making any move this offseason it should be trading Smart. I love his defense, but I think his offensive involvement kills this team more than it helps. He’s constantly jacking up 3s every chance he gets(13 tonight). It’s great when he’s going well but it’s few and far between. When he makes a couple he seems to get the license to shoot and will not stop no matter what. I’m not sure he’s ever going to change in that regard. He can not be taking away shots from Tatum and Brown as they take over this team. In this series, look what his 3PA are when they win and lose.
I don't think you trade a guy who does something better than almost anyone in the league.
 

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Depends on how you score Riley's work. Either Herro's parthenogenesis and Iggy's single, gigantic clutch game are a credit to Riley's team construction or they happened unrelated to it.
I give Riley credit for making the trade as it improved the Heat. I just think this series plays out differently if Hayward and to a lesser extent Kemba are not hurt. I don’t think the Heat depth is all that impressive. I thought it was better before this series.
 

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Tatum was 9 for 26 tonite. Didn't realize he'd missed so many shots. He had some great moments, but you need a better shooting performance from him in an elimination game.
No you don't. They scored 113 points. The problem was giving up 125. 113 points would have won game 1 (because Miami scored 117 but needed OT to get there), game 2, game 3, game 4, and game 5.
 

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Hayward is a bad fit for this roster now, with Brown’s progression. I’d rather fill out the roster around Tatum/Brown/Kemba with 2 good complementary role players than have Hayward.
 

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They need to tinker with the roster and Smart has the contract with the most value. Like I said, I like what he brings to the table defensively as we all do. He’s a good character guy and when hot adds offense. But, when the ball sticks with him and he gets in the mode of jacking 3s up it kills the flow of the offense. I would see what I can get for him.
Precisely, he has the contract with the most value. And since they're over the salary cap that means they'd be trading him for, what, a lesser player and a middling draft pick? No thanks.

Plus, this team is again going to be quite young next year and they need his veteran mentality. His throwing things in the locker room after Game 2 clearly motivated Jaylen the following game, for example.
 

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I think it is time for Ainge to “lose” a deal or two to improve the roster. They will need cheap entry-level players to fill the roster, sure, but you can’t be too precious about future FRPs. Need more veteran role players you can turn to in a pinch so the next time someone is hurt we don’t have to turn to Brad Wanamaker or Semi. Usually these guys come cheap anyway as bad teams try to clear roster spots. Don’t be stupid but be aggressive.