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JayMags71 said:
Outrageous - shockingly bad or excessive.

So, SAS sad something outrageous (negative connotation). When someone in the public says something outrageous, people tend to get outraged. Implying that said outrage for this incident is "manufactured" or "phony" is a weaksauce cop-out.

I can't stand this air of practiced cynicism when people get upset about these things. Anytime someone makes such a post, I assume they're either a poseur or dead inside.
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I never said that people didn't have the right to be outraged or that it wasn't legitimate. I'm saying that our media is driven by outrage, and that anytime people are outraged, it becomes a bigger story then perhaps it deserves to be.
 
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I never said that people didn't have the right to be outraged or that it wasn't legitimate. I'm saying that our media is driven by outrage, and that anytime people are outraged, it becomes a bigger story then perhaps it deserves to be.
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How big a story do you think Goodell's two game suspension for Rice should be? Bigger or smaller than it currently is?
 
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Kliq said:
 
I never said that people didn't have the right to be outraged or that it wasn't legitimate. I'm saying that our media is driven by outrage, and that anytime people are outraged, it becomes a bigger story then perhaps it deserves to be.
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When you say "but here I am in this thread because people being outraged is just so god damn entertaining", you are very much belittling what people before you have said. 
 
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Aha, the old "I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'." gambit.
Kliq said:
I never said that people didn't have the right to be outraged or that it wasn't legitimate.
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Not explicitly, no.


I'm saying that our media is driven by outrage, and that anytime people are outraged, it becomes a bigger story then perhaps it deserves to be.
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If our media "is driven by outrage" (likely, but not necessarily a bad thing in this instance) than making it "a bigger story than it needs to be" implies that at least some people outrage is disproportionate.

Or, illegitimate.
 
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Beadle making comments about Rice is one thing.
 
Beadle's tweets about SAS were hardly cool, level-headed criticism.
 
She made 4 tweets.
 
1)  First she went with the drama about being "forced" to watch the show.  Huh?  The she makes another dramatic misrepresentation of what SAS said.
2)  Now she goes for the ridiculous cliche rape comparison example.  Absurd.
3)  Then, maybe realizing she's a bit out of line... she throws out the unassailble.... I'm a victim of abuse, too.  Is she?  Was she?  I don't know.  What is she talking about?  In any case... can't really say anything against her now, right?
4)  And finally... just to let us know she isn't doing this for her own personal promotion, she throws out the standard after school special message.  Thanks, Michelle.
 
 
I don't have any problem with Twitter.  I like Twitter.  I think what she did was throw one of her co-workers under the outrage bus for her own benefit.
 
* I know it's her shtick to be outrageous and outspoken.  But - doing at the expense of a co-worker strikes me as a shitty move.  Maybe there is more to the story, maybe SAS has been part of the group talking crap about her in the past.  I dunno.
 
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Beadle making comments about Rice is one thing.
 
Beadle's tweets about SAS were hardly cool, level-headed criticism.
 
She made 4 tweets.
 
1)  First she went with the drama about being "forced" to watch the show.  Huh?  The she makes another dramatic misrepresentation of what SAS said.
2)  Now she goes for the ridiculous cliche rape comparison example.  Absurd.
3)  Then, maybe realizing she's a bit out of line... she throws out the unassailble.... I'm a victim of abuse, too.  Is she?  Was she?  I don't know.  What is she talking about?  In any case... can't really say anything against her now, right?
4)  And finally... just to let us know she isn't doing this for her own personal promotion, she throws out the standard after school special message.  Thanks, Michelle.
 
 
I don't have any problem with Twitter.  I like Twitter.  I think what she did was throw one of her co-workers under the outrage bus for her own benefit.
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Or, alternatively, maybe she actually thinks he's an asshole.
 
The argument that she should play nice with SAS simply because they are paid by the same corporation is distasteful to me.
 
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BoredViewer said:
Beadle making comments about Rice is one thing.
 
Beadle's tweets about SAS were hardly cool, level-headed criticism.
 
She made 4 tweets.
 
1)  First she went with the drama about being "forced" to watch the show.  Huh?  The she makes another dramatic misrepresentation of what SAS said.
2)  Now she goes for the ridiculous cliche rape comparison example.  Absurd.
3)  Then, maybe realizing she's a bit out of line... she throws out the unassailble.... I'm a victim of abuse, too.  Is she?  Was she?  I don't know.  What is she talking about?  In any case... can't really say anything against her now, right?
4)  And finally... just to let us know she isn't doing this for her own personal promotion, she throws out the standard after school special message.  Thanks, Michelle.
 
 
I don't have any problem with Twitter.  I like Twitter.  I think what she did was throw one of her co-workers under the outrage bus for her own benefit.
 
* I know it's her shtick to be outrageous and outspoken.  But - doing at the expense of a co-worker strikes me as a shitty move.  Maybe there is more to the story, maybe SAS has been part of the group talking crap about her in the past.  I dunno.
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Keep squirming, man. It's her fault for taking offense, she's doing it for "her own benefit," yada yada. That's the REAL story.
 
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BoredViewer said:
Beadle making comments about Rice is one thing.
 
Beadle's tweets about SAS were hardly cool, level-headed criticism.
 
She made 4 tweets.
 
1)  First she went with the drama about being "forced" to watch the show.  Huh?  The she makes another dramatic misrepresentation of what SAS said.
2)  Now she goes for the ridiculous cliche rape comparison example.  Absurd.
3)  Then, maybe realizing she's a bit out of line... she throws out the unassailble.... I'm a victim of abuse, too.  Is she?  Was she?  I don't know.  What is she talking about?  In any case... can't really say anything against her now, right?
4)  And finally... just to let us know she isn't doing this for her own personal promotion, she throws out the standard after school special message.  Thanks, Michelle.
 
 
I don't have any problem with Twitter.  I like Twitter.  I think what she did was throw one of her co-workers under the outrage bus for her own benefit.
 
* I know it's her shtick to be outrageous and outspoken.  But - doing at the expense of a co-worker strikes me as a shitty move.  Maybe there is more to the story, maybe SAS has been part of the group talking crap about her in the past.  I dunno.
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If she really was a victim of abuse, doesn't it make sense that this is an issue where she'd throw down the gauntlet? That she'd take no shit from someone spouting off on national TV when he clearly doesn't know a damn thing he's talking about? And when what he's saying represents a mindset that is genuinely dangerous (that victims of abuse are responsible for not getting themselves beaten)? 
 
If anything, her mentioning that she was in an abusive relationship absolutely legitimizes her response. SAS was talking out of his ass about abuse. She has experienced it first hand. She called him out. The response to that should abso-fucking-lutely never be (to quote you from the last page) "what a bitch."
 
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If ANYONE ever need to be "thrown under a bus" it's Stephen A. Smith.  How this guy has a job never ceases to amaze me. Way to call him out Beadle.
 
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BoredViewer said:
Beadle making comments about Rice is one thing.
 
Beadle's tweets about SAS were hardly cool, level-headed criticism.
 
She made 4 tweets.
 
1)  First she went with the drama about being "forced" to watch the show.  Huh?  The she makes another dramatic misrepresentation of what SAS said.
2)  Now she goes for the ridiculous cliche rape comparison example.  Absurd.
3)  Then, maybe realizing she's a bit out of line... she throws out the unassailble.... I'm a victim of abuse, too.  Is she?  Was she?  I don't know.  What is she talking about?  In any case... can't really say anything against her now, right?
4)  And finally... just to let us know she isn't doing this for her own personal promotion, she throws out the standard after school special message.  Thanks, Michelle.
 
 
I don't have any problem with Twitter.  I like Twitter.  I think what she did was throw one of her co-workers under the outrage bus for her own benefit.
 
* I know it's her shtick to be outrageous and outspoken.  But - doing at the expense of a co-worker strikes me as a shitty move.  Maybe there is more to the story, maybe SAS has been part of the group talking crap about her in the past.  I dunno.
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You really should stop.
 
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No suspension for SAS.  According to an ESPN statement:  "We will continue to have constructive dialogue on this important topic. Stephen's comments last Friday do not reflect our company's point of view. As his apology demonstrates, he recognizes his mistakes and has a deeper appreciation of our company values.”
 
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Wow.  I never would've thought that my guess of a one week vacation would be too harsh.
 
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I agree that no suspension is ridiculous, but at least his apology was unreserved and full.
 


My words came across that it is somehow a woman’s fault.  This was not my intent.  It is not what I was trying to say.  Yet the failure to clearly articulate something different lies squarely on my shoulders.
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Unfortunately, I did an incredibly poor job of asserting my point of view last Friday.  For that, again, I am truly, truly sorry.  Particularly to victims of domestic abuse and to my female family members and loved ones I’ve disappointed and who know I know better, you all deserved a better professional and quite frankly a better man last Friday sitting on this very set, in this very chair.  My heartfelt apologies to each and every one of you.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/28/stephen-a-smith-apologizes-for-his-provocation-remarks/
 
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Did SAS really try to run with an old Chris rock bit for the ray rice fiasco? " I would never hit a woman but I would shake a bitch" the whole bit is about women knowing you won't hit them so they can say anything.

Fox is not going to air any ravens games rice plays in, correct?
 
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The apology is good, but then it raises the question of what the hell did he actually mean if not that? Did he just want the lurid details out of pure voyeurism? (Which happens, of course...)
 
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Reverend said:
The apology is good, but then it raises the question of what the hell did he actually mean if not that? Did he just want the lurid details out of pure voyeurism? (Which happens, of course...)
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Look, these guys are paid to play sports, they don't make their living with their words.  It's unfair to expect them to be able to express themselves as fluently as you or me.
 
Also, ironic that a guy commenting on an insufficient suspension wasn't suspended at all.
 
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Reverend said:
The apology is good, but then it raises the question of what the hell did he actually mean if not that? Did he just want the lurid details out of pure voyeurism? (Which happens, of course...)
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Someone with a higher pay grade got ahold of SAS and "beat some sense" into him. Or at least "shook him up" a little. Apology accepted but still a dick and I still don't and won't watch his obnoxious ass.
 
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T give credit where credit is due, Mike Golic this morning didn't go off but wasn't happy with the length of the suspension. 
 
This is an interview M & M had with the NFL's Baghdad Bob
 
Warning this contains audio of a man disemboweling whatever dignity he may had.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74tAyBIpGug#t=598
 
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I heard the tape of that on WEEI at lunch and it was one of the better receipts I've heard.
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Not to change the subject, but I didn't write the above on the phone, so I can't blame spellcheck, and I can't for the life of me figure out what I meant by "receipts".
 
It was one of the better apologies I've heard.  Finding out later yesterday that it was pretaped, and hearing more of the end of it makes me think it was pretty staged and reduces how impressed I was by the apology
 
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I'm eating out. Whatever show is on right now is leading with Ray Rice apology and Kevin Love trade rumors
 
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I would be more apt to believe he was just misunderstood, but he's spoken before on social issues (most recently with Michael Sam, once when Sam was drafted and again defending Tony Dungy a week ago).  He has plenty of experience writing and talking about controversial topics. He majored in Mass Communications. He's worked in the newspaper industry for 20 years, television for 15 years, and radio for almost a decade.  Properly articulating the English Language is his job.
 
edit: the extra wasn't necessary
 
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mauidano said:
Someone with a higher pay grade got ahold of SAS and "beat some sense" into him. Or at least "shook him up" a little. Apology accepted but still a dick and I still don't and won't watch his obnoxious ass.
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I refuse to ever watch again someone I never watched in the first place as a result of something stupid he said.
 
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Was there a time when sports were fun and not a deadly serious business?
 
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Lebron should do the same thing---put up a "You're welcome Miami" sign in South Beach.
 
But, ESPN cannot allow anyone to take shots at LBJ.
 
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I fell like draging Hector's corpse around the walls of Ilium was pretty serious.
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Which makes it a good line of demarcation
 
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All night tonight, the main page has been:
 
WARM RECEPTION FOR RICE
Ray Rice was cheered at home before and during the Ravens' preseason win over the 49ers.
 
I appreciate that the citizens of this nation enjoy due process of law and a trial before the presumption of guilt. But is it really necessary to run first-preseason-game apologia for a guy who punched a woman in the face? I mean, how fucking servile is this network to the NFL? 
 
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I will never forgive them for knuckling under to Tagliabue and canceling Playmakers.

You remember Tag's take on that series -- an unrealistic representation of the NFL.

All of these people in the League office and four letter could find comfortable employment with Putin.
 
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