Euro 2020, round of 16, day 2: Tilting at Windmills

dirtynine

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Netherlands v Czech Republic in Budapest
12ET on ESPN
Latest odds: Netherlands -150, Draw +295, Czech Republic +450


Belgium v Portugal in Seville
3PM on ABC
Latest odds: Belgium +145, Draw +225, Portugal +210
 

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This is the kind of game the dutch lose a lot. Organised opponent, strong and tough. This one has me worried. First to score advances. Tjechs because they shut the door, dutch because open space will mean more goals.

Front of Depay and Malen is way way way better than Weghorst and Depay.
 

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I hope Belgium but they look lacklusteR. Think the portugese will steal it and ill be watching the wailing on the Belgium TV.
 

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This is the kind of game the dutch lose a lot. Organised opponent, strong and tough. This one has me worried. First to score advances. Tjechs because they shut the door, dutch because open space will mean more goals.

Front of Depay and Malen is way way way better than Weghorst and Depay.
A slight edge of closer field advantage for the Czs too
 

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Dutch look really lackadaisical so far. Lots of standing around and not trying to get open or compete for 50-50 balls or chase balls down. I guess they are better even at 75 percent speed but they have looked stuck in mud everywhere but when the attack is on in the last third and they turn it on.
 

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I think the reason the camera keeps showing the same women is that there are only like ten women in that stadium.
 

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Dutch need to channel Cruyff. They’ve been the most dangerous when playing give and goes and taking men on the dribble. Otherwise, they’re not moving the Czech defenders around.
 

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Really hate that call. This sport and I just don’t align philosophically

Edit: it is obvious that De Ligt falls and knows little of what happens next. Coufal cynically hacks down Dumfries seconds later and it’s only a yellow. It’s just nonsense to me
 

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Now the Netherlands' best hope, I would think, is to somehow hang on through regulation and OT and get it to PKs. I don't see them scoring shorthanded unless the Czechs make a catastrophic mistake.
 

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Really hate that call. This sport and I just don’t align philosophically
I really hate the new hand ball rules that require defenders to play with their arms (quite literally) behind their back, but I think this is a red even under the old system. The only thing between the attacker and the goalie was the defender's hand playing the ball.
 

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Really hate that call. This sport and I just don’t align philosophically

Edit: it is obvious that De Ligt falls and knows little of what happens next. Coufal cynically hacks down Dumfries seconds later and it’s only a yellow. It’s just nonsense to me
I saw a deliberate attempt to break up a scoring chance by playing the ball away from the attacker with his hand. If you thought he simply fell naturally and happened to bump the ball in that direction, I can see why you’d hate the call.
 

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I thought there was a definite scooping motion with this hand, rather than just falling on the ball.
 

teddykgb

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Maybe try basketball or something where you are allowed to used hands
Basketball is 7 trillion times worse. The thing I have always loved about football was that there’s was a certain amount of room for the refs to maintain the spirit of some of these rules. It has descended into a lawyerly mess which is ruining matches

edit: I’ll need to watch it again as I’ve only been paying half attention. I have no horse in this race but my first viewing it looked clumsy but not something worth sending some off over. If he did deliberately handle it and I didn’t see it then he deserves it for his own stupidity
 

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I saw a deliberate attempt to break up a scoring chance by playing the ball away from the attacker with his hand. If you thought he simply fell naturally and happened to bump the ball in that direction, I can see why you’d hate the call.

I thought it was deliberate to the point where I half-thought he was doing a sloppy version of that “hey I got fouled and am grabbing the ball to force the issue” thing that offensive players more often do.
 

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The swat of the ball with his hand absolutely looked deliberate to me. Not a natural way of falling at all.
 

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As to the red discussion, the defender is beat, no one behind him, and makes a clear scooping motion to corral the ball. That is a red in any interpretation of the hand ball rules.
 

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How does Frank de Boer keep getting high profile jobs? He’s had exactly one successful managerial stint, and winning Eredivisie at Ajax is like the Monday crossword of difficulty levels.
 

Jimy Hendrix

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If you were gonna guess which player in this game just got picked up by Barca, how many tries would it take until you got to Memphis?
 

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Gnite Netherlands

How did no defender pick up that runner? Huge lapse.
Much like how 3 defenders stacked the line on the corner and no one challenged the header
 

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Ooof. Didn’t see this one coming. That Danish team narrative takes on more steam with this upset.
*Assuming it will be DNK- CZE.