Evander Kane accused of betting on hockey
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Is there more on the personal matters? Is it domestic violence as the randos in the twitter thread say?
Not just gambling on his games. But gambling and intentionally trying to lose.
This is a fucking nightmare.
I think the insane part of this appears to be that it would have been completely unnoticed by the NHL if his wife hadn't outed him on Instagram despite the fact that he clearly has both massive gambling issues and debt problems. That's exactly who you would want to monitor for illegal betting.
Yeah but how do you actuality monitor it? They don't have access to any bank accounts or internet records etc.
God I hope hes telling the truth, for tons of reasons. I've always liked his play style. Not many snipers that can also smash your fucking face in.
The ex-wife. Not even close. Maybe this comes out in the future anyway if it's true but she just shot a golden goose. It's just hilariously stupid.
Whether it is in fact stupid depends on whether they in fact have enough money, not whether they feel like they have enough.
But in January, Kane filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, listing debts of $26.8 million and assets of $10.2 million.
Here’s a sample of just what Kane allegedly owes to people:
- $256,320 in unpaid taxes
- $79,393 to American Express
- $528,730 to Newport Sport Management in agent’s fees
- $1.5 million to Cosmopolitan Casino in gambling debts (markers).
Owing 1.5 mil to a Casino shows heavy betting. It would take a very disciplined person to not bet on the thing you know best: hockey.
Hint, Evander Kane is not a very disciplined person, on or off the ice.
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Thanks for this post. Regarding the bolded, you've outlined why the gambling allegations against Kane are plausible and even so I'm shocked. I'll confess to my naïveté here, but I would have thought that Pete Rose's ban would have been an effective deterrent against any athlete betting on their own sport (to say nothing of their own games). Then again, your last line holds.
The NHL “Oh well”ed an official getting caught on a hot mike, in game, admitting to making up a penalty. They haven’t done anything on issues as varied as blatant salary cap circumvention and sexual assault by a coach.
It’s reasonably clear that the league isn’t particularly interested in maintaining legitimate athletic competition or turning over the most obvious of stones in their backyard.
I feel much worse for the wife. According to her, Kane's on vacation in Europe with his ex. Meanwhile, the bank foreclosed on their house and she has no place to go. She doesn't have enough money to feed their child and is pregnant with their 2nd.
It sounds like she's been trying to get through to him to make sure they were taken care of and he wouldn't listen. So she hit the nuclear option. It sounds like she had nothing to lose.
As for nothing to lose - can a casino claw back a bet payout if it finds out you threw a game? I assume bookies can do anything they want.
I tend to doubt they could, but it's really an academic question in Kane's case. Based on the reported filing, any unsecured creditor will be lucky to see much more than a nickel on their outstanding dollar.
So they both admit that they're going through a messy divorce. Based on my experience with messy divorces, it is impossible to know what is true in this case based on their words alone. One or both of them are almost certainly lying to intentionally hurt the other and/or better their position.
I feel bad for all involved...someone is lying but it's just a sad scene all around
Why don't Casinos have an international athlete registry or something? If you're on a team, you can't bet on that sport.
For the average, every day better in the sports book area, it's not worth the casino's time and trouble to track who is making the bet.
When you cash anything above a certain amount, they should. Another local gambler would have to keep me honest but I think it's $900 in AC, they ask for ID?
Why would they want to do that? Athletes betting on their own sports still make money for the casino most of the time. They might want to forbid betting on games you're actually a part of (where you could have an edge on the odds, especially by throwing a game), but not the sport overall.
It puts the Casinos in a position of liability as I see it. If they are allowing an athlete to place a bet on his/her own activities, then the rest of the line is corrupt for all other bettors and they no longer are offering fair odds.
Pardon the anecdote, but with the expansion of sports betting in recent years, MLB has conducted annual, mandatory sports betting policy seminars for its clubs and their employees. Those seminars strongly imply that this kind of thing exists for uniform and non-uniform personnel.
Confirmed. I have friends who work for the Sox and Celts (well away from players) and they can't bet on anything sports related in Vegas
This is absolutely the case for the NBA and it's employees. Casino games are ok in areas they are legal, but sports betting is off limits.
Interesting. The MLB rule isn't quite as broad--I can place a wager on any sport that would otherwise be legal to bet on, but gambling on baseball and softball (from amateur to pro) is prohibited, including things like the HR Derby, FA signings, trade deadline, fantasy baseball, etc.
If I had a choice between placing a bet at a casino that checked my ID and one that didn’t, I’d pick the one that didn’t.
What you’re describing would work if it were legally required, but there doesn’t seem to be much appetite for that.
I don't know. Casinos do a good job keeping card counters and other undesirables out of their properties. I am sure they can use those same tools to figure out the athletes that shouldn't be betting. Now it would probably help if the leagues would step up and help fund any extra work that might go into getting that going since it would be beneficial to the leagues to helping to make sure no legal betting is going on in their player rosters. Illegal bookies and other things is a whole other ball of wax.
From an ethics standpoint, this makes perfect sense. It's a textbook example of a (potential) conflict of interest.
Why would a casino care if an athlete is spending (and losing) a ton of money? Is it illegal for them to do so?
I'm not sure they are too keen on being involved in potentially fixed sporting events.
Several Sharks teammates don't want Kane back:
https://theathletic.com/news/several-sharks-teammates-dont-want-evander-kane-back-on-the-team-sources/1ffGCFrGpnx3
https://theathletic.com/news/several-sharks-teammates-dont-want-evander-kane-back-on-the-team-sources/1ffGCFrGpnx3
His teammates don’t win him back because he’s disgracing the team name; sharks usually win their bets.
A casino wants a balanced book — equal money on both sides of each bet. That way, the house collects its vig and is indifferent to the result of the game. Bets from people with inside information are likely to be large and put the book out of balance — no one is risking their career for a $50 wager. And assuming the insiders aren’t idiots, the casino will lose the unbalanced bet the majority of the time. It’s not a big enough problem for the casinos to fundamentally change how they do business (such as by asking high rollers to show ID when placing bets), but they would certainly rather do without the insiders’ business.
I have had people tell me and also post sometimes in this forum that the casinos will occasionally take a position. I don't believe they do so to hope to win the bet so much as to generate foot traffic to the sports book area, with the expectation that some of those bettors will stick around to buy a drink or throw money away at the roulette table.
I can see a casino not wanting to be perceived as being on any side of an unfair bet for a number of reasons. One challenge is that there is nothing to stop a Kane from hiring someone to physically place his bets for him.
The nonsense continues with this guy:
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32425827/san-jose-sharks-evander-kane-suspended-21-games-nhl-established-violation-covid-19-protocol
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32425827/san-jose-sharks-evander-kane-suspended-21-games-nhl-established-violation-covid-19-protocol
Submitted a fake Covid-19 vaccine card. He’s either incredibly stupid, or just so proudly defiant he’s willing to cost himself even more money than his addictive habits do.
He needs help. I don’t say that flippantly. He really needs to get help. He might be out of the league in a year the way he’s going.