Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Buffalo Head said:
haha no that wasn't me, but I think it's someone that posts here.
edit: I think it's BannedbyNYYFans.com
Haha. Yes, that was me. Nice to see Tony still thinks Teixeira and the Yankees will be "Fine".
And I like Haggs a lot, I just think he's a huge hypocrite when he compares the Red Sox to the Bruins.
And I like Haggs a lot, I just think he's a huge hypocrite when he compares the Red Sox to the Bruins.
soxfan121 said:
So they basically read from two paragraphs in a much longer story from today's Globe (the first mention I've seen anywhere about him not acknowledging the fans). At the end of the day, anyone who listens to these lazy, ignorant clowns gets what they deserves.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/10/29/red-sox-pin-hopes-john-lackey-game-world-series-cardinals/wvOUkvt45q4kZTg8cXyfjI/story.html
And....are those Lackey's words, or PeteAbe's OPINION, tacked on to an observation
Its possible that somewhere out there, Lackey acknowledged the connection between the two, but until i see it, I will assume that Felger and Mazz assumed it based on the 3 sentences above and off they ran, because that's how they roll.
I dont ever listen to this shit. Nevertheless it pains me that otherwise intelligent baseball fans do. (I know, I have no right to be pained. YMMV)
Its funny, the people that seem to know him best dont think he's an asshole.
joe dokes said:
Does his ex-wife count in your analysis?
I know I'm going to regret this but I think it's time that people who don't listen to the show shut the fuck up and stop posting in this thread. Nothing personal joe dokes, because today is the first time I've noticed your username. But shut the fuck up. It pains me that people who don't listen feel compelled to chime in on something they don't know anything about. If you didn't watch any Red Sox games, you wouldn't be posting in main board threads about the team and judging the intelligence of those who do.
Credit is due to John Lackey for working his ass off since the surgery and performing well this season. But that doesn't invalidate the previous three seasons where he earned the disdain and loathing of this board and this fanbase for his unprofessional and shitty performances. If he's using our hate as motivation, all the better. Because he's an asshole in our laundry.
I did not listen the whole time but they are more or less admitting that they were negative assholes today for the most part. When they have to set up their "positive" segment when they actually take five minutes to acknowledge that there is something completely awesome happening in Boston tonight by admitting that it is out of character for them, I think it is safe to say that the general sentiment expressed in this thread is pretty accurate.
Corsi said:
The guys at WEEI were talking about Cowherd's comments on Ortiz too.
Its the media. Its the way they are.
Fair warning: Felger's whole post-game "hot take" was to shit on "second-place" teams (1967) and players (Ted Williams). Just a clumsy, DB way of trying to put the three recent titles in context. Expect more of the same tomorrow.
No problem from me. Obviously I only coment on what I read here, and that's a fair ground for taking shots. Ironically (I think), my lack of listening to them anymore, yet commenting on them anyway, isnt a whole lot diferent than calling Lackey an "asshole" or his actions "unprofessional." He was mediocre, then when he was probably hurt, he really sucked. And while dumping his wife may be enough to say "he's an asshole," that really is all we know about the guy (other than the fact that his teammates seem to like him). I guess I'm loathe to judge someone's person -- for good OR bad -- based on so little info. As for whether he's using "our" hate as motivation, that's a nice narrative.soxfan121 said:
More importantly for me to make clear though......I dont think I was judging the intelligence of those who listen. Well, I was, I guess, but not in the way you suggest...I think the vast majority of people who post here are intelligent. Those that aren't dont last long. So I wonder why intelligent people who, in the baseball context, look for information and insight would listen to programs that, for the most part provide neither, yet pretend that they do. Until they get called out, at which point they say, "Hey we're just entertainers." (which is why I stopped listening)
I wonder why people still watch the Weather Channel when they dont provide weather. I wonder why my intelligent teenaged children watch "dance moms."
Rock on.
Dotrat said:
"That was yesterday. Today is the beginning of *next* season. Today is the day to be concerned. They may have MASSIVE free agent losses. Where will they be then. Will Lester be distracted by his contract situation? Or Ortiz his? Will Nava sulk about being replaced in the World Series? Will Dempster be poison in the clubhouse because he was relegated to mop-up duty? What about Doubront. Missed a big arbitration payday by two days. Will the Sox treat him "fairly.""
I think they reached their nadir after the Peavy trade when they ridiculed the deal because it still left them with no ace and their pen was "still terrible". Nice call on that one fellas.....
Sorry--sometime my work gets in the way of my listening. And it only took him until the day of a possibly WS-clinching Game Six at home to admit it? Golly.HomeBrew1901 said:
Golly, the Red Sox just won their 3rd World Series Victory in 10 years, you know what I'm going to do? Run to the Felger and Mazz thread and bitch about how much they suck.
I don't think you know what 'bitch' means, or perhaps my tone wasn't clear. My post was a tongue-in-cheek comment that has little relation to how happy I am with the improbably excellent season the Sox just concluded in the best possible way. I don't spend much time thinking about F&M, though I do think they are on the slow boat to suckitude aboard the good ship Complacency afloat the river of witless provocation.HomeBrew1901 said:
BTW, are you really suggesting that Tony's troll-bait skepticism is undone, or even mitigated, by his day-of-Game-Six admission? That strikes me as ridiculous, especially since it's been pretty obvious since at least August that Mazz was just trying to get attention and find something to say to Felger other than, "You're absolutely right, Mike."
In other words, I was making fun of what I thought most posters understood to be Tony's disingenuous attitude toward the 2013 team, which went beyond silly once they'd locked the division up and Mazz began moving the goalposts as to what it would take for him to admit that this was a very good team capable of beating the Rays, Tigers, and Cardinals of the world. Enjoy your day. I sure am enjoying mine, sleep deprivation notwithstanding.
Buffalo Head said:
"I love pissing off the 67 crew."
Mike Felger, on the night the 2013 Red Sox win the World Series.
Milwaukee Mike is absolutely clueless at gauging the pulse of the region when it is a time to honor the local team's accomplishments.
shawnrbu said:
Right. That's why he has the number one show in afternoon drive time, this thread is 115 pages long with 5724 posts and hours after the Sox won a World Series people are literally writing about how pissed off they are going to get about what they think that Felger is going to say.
You're correct, dude has NO clue.
To be fair to Mazz, his stance that they were not a good team has been dying the death of a thousand cuts all year.
I'm using quotes but these are paraphrases.
February: "I won't be surprised if this team is under .500"
Opening Day: "I think this is basically you know, 84 win team, probably 4th in a tough division, but luckily ahead of the Yankees and all their injuries."
End of April: "With the hot start, they have climbed up to like 88 wins probably."
Middle of May: "See, the hot streak is over, this team is showing true colors, we'll see if they can climb out of this."
ASB: "OK, well now let's see if they can keep it up in the second half, because these guys haven't had to do that."
Peavy trade: "they are still an ace short and this gut isn't good enough. Even if they get Buchholz back. They look like they will get to the playoffs now, but what happens then? They needed to do more"
early September: "well now you can't blow this division lead, I mean, talk about disappointment, and they could very easily do that. 2011!!!1!1!1!111!!!!"
Start of playoffs: "OK, before the season I said they were probably an 84 win team and they blew that right out of the water, but I'm still not sure they have what it takes to win a playoff series, nevermind the whole thing."
I think this kind of reflects the way a lot of people evolved through the season.
I'm using quotes but these are paraphrases.
February: "I won't be surprised if this team is under .500"
Opening Day: "I think this is basically you know, 84 win team, probably 4th in a tough division, but luckily ahead of the Yankees and all their injuries."
End of April: "With the hot start, they have climbed up to like 88 wins probably."
Middle of May: "See, the hot streak is over, this team is showing true colors, we'll see if they can climb out of this."
ASB: "OK, well now let's see if they can keep it up in the second half, because these guys haven't had to do that."
Peavy trade: "they are still an ace short and this gut isn't good enough. Even if they get Buchholz back. They look like they will get to the playoffs now, but what happens then? They needed to do more"
early September: "well now you can't blow this division lead, I mean, talk about disappointment, and they could very easily do that. 2011!!!1!1!1!111!!!!"
Start of playoffs: "OK, before the season I said they were probably an 84 win team and they blew that right out of the water, but I'm still not sure they have what it takes to win a playoff series, nevermind the whole thing."
I think this kind of reflects the way a lot of people evolved through the season.
One thing I always enjoy about the show is that the first caller of the day ALWAYS sucks. Today's entry: "Hey, do you think MLB rigged the series so the Red Sox would win, after the bombing?"
But manifestly, from early September on, at least, he behaved like a cunt. There is no more civilized fitting description.smastroyin said:
The defining characteristic of this team from start to finish was its determination to stamp out 2011 in every way imaginable. To group the two teams together, for any purpose, was ridiculous. If they fell short, it would only be because of their limitations or a string of terrible luck.
Once this club made the playoffs, accomplishing worst to first, everything was gravy. Anyone paying scant attention recognized this because, again, the team's limitations were manifest. You cannot reasonably whine in a rebuilding year.
This is truly the fellowship of the miserable. Francesa at least had the sense to take the day off.
Some caller said that Jon Lester is a better pitcher than Pedro Martinez.
Think about that for a second....
Think about that for a second....
riboflav said:
Agree...I would take Pedro (1999) over any ptcher I ever saw....that's from 1967 to today and includes some awesome talent....as my ace. He completely shut teams down singlehandedly, then he sat under the mango tree.
He pretty much had Felger convinced as well until Tony and Beetle both pretty much said "WTF are you high?"RedOctober3829 said:
The guy compared their WS numbers to make his case. Tony then pointed out that Pedro only pitched in one WS game with the Sox and the other two were when he was 37 YO throwing 85 mph for the Phillies.
So yeah not exactly an "apples to apples" comparison.
Even his first World Series appearance with the Sox in 2004, he was slightly past his peak. He still threw 7 shutout innings essentially giving no chance for the Cardinals to get back in that series.Byrdbrain said:
The Pedro of 1998-2002 (esp '99 and '00) had ridiculous playoff numbers. 1999 Pedro threw 17 scoreless innings in the playoffs with 23 Ks not at 100% strength.
dcmissle said:
Try telling a Royals or Padres fan that this was a "rebuilding year." with a 150m dollar payroll or whatever it is. I don't disagree with the gravy sentiment, but come on, what "limitations"? They were, by objective measures, the best team in baseball. All year long. Because they have a lot of really good players. Just because the entire world is prone to recency bias and picked them for 4th or 5th place doesn't mean they were truly underdogs. That's a joke.
It is more than recency bias. Unless you think everyone here is a moron -- and I mean, literally, everyone. Nobody had them pegged to do what they did. Nobody. Go to the offseason threads as this team was assembled and try to find one. One.ForKeeps said:
Sure they were the best team. We know that now. That does not grant a license to act like a sniveling asshole in September, when plenty of people here believed Tampa to be superior. When people even wondered, reasonably, whether they might miss the playoffs altogether
Thanks for your 20/20 hindsight.
I wonder if the powers at be will stop F&M from ripping on the Celtics and rooting for them to tank. There was at least 20 minutes spent today telling them to dig deep against Utah and find it in themselves to lose. "You Play to Lose the Game" "Losing is a Choice" etc. etc.
I wonder if the powers at be will stop F&M from ripping on the Celtics and rooting for them to tank. There was at least 20 minutes spent today telling them to dig deep against Utah and find it in themselves to lose. "You Play to Lose the Game" "Losing is a Choice" etc. etc.
I don't think so, I mean, how is rooting for them to tank going to attract listeners to the games?
I don't think so, I mean, how is rooting for them to tank going to attract listeners to the games?
Blacken said:
I listen.
I usually tune out when they start shitting on the NBA, but this was pretty funny.
I don't think Feger and Mazz take orders from anyone at that station about content. They have shit on everybody and every thing on every team in Boston. Thats not gonna stop just because the station plays the games.
Maybe not content, re: the teams, but they clearly got a smackdown from higher-ups at the station about a year ago about "Seidenberg in my pants," "Naughty Mazz," and "Wayne in Grafton" and other off-color elements of the show. Felger even announced that they would no longer be doing that stuff on the air and that they had gotten a wrist-slap about it.Rocco Graziosa said:
Oh I loved it. I find it refreshing they aren't on the company line and letting it goJohn Marzano Olympic Hero said:
I'm just wondering how long until they get told to stop.
They've been pretty hard on the Patriots and Bruins in some ways as well and they haven't been silenced to this point.NortheasternPJ said:
Buffalo Head said:
Risque content is different than "hot sports takes", right?
I think a valid way to see the Celtics this season is that they should lose, a lot, to get better in the future. So long as they aren't making dick jokes, I think station management leaves them alone to have any "hot take" they want.
EDIT: re-reading your post, I think we're in total agreement.
Is he really talking openly about this? I mean, isn't Middlebrooks married? It's one thing to joke about this kind of shit, but to just throw it up on the air...Bogaerts said: