Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Felger re: Brady posting his college resume on Facebook:
"When you think you might be looking for a new job, what's the first thing you do? You get your resume ready."
"When you think you might be looking for a new job, what's the first thing you do? You get your resume ready."
I'm getting a huge kick out of the clips they're playing of the Raiders' responses after the "tuck rule" game. The Oakland media, fans, Al Davis, everyone. Their collective heads exploded when the Pats won that game. It was so delicious.
Corsi said:
I listened to this entire segment. The above quote is technically accurate.
Though it does omit the context, where all three hosts laughed at the idea and the quote was prefaced with "Do you think it might be this..." and followed with "No Mike" and "No, I don't think so either."
So...nice job on emulating the media, cherry picking an out-of-context quote and presenting it as if it was the WHOLE truth. Peter King will be calling with "KUDOS" anyday now, Corsibot.
Right, these guys say enough dumb things that it isn't necessary to make things sound worse. For example, they had a serious conversation earlier this week where Mazz was speculating that the reason Brady has been morose in his press conferences is because they have been running the ball too much, which is keeping his individual stats down, which will in turn hurt him when he tries to renegotiate his contract next year. Oh, and by the way, this is an intentional strategy that the Patriots are employing to keep Brady from having any leverage in that upcoming negotiation.
Billy Jo Robidoux said:
Felger is at his absolute most entertaining when it's schadenfreude time. Honestly, for all his flaws, if we were ever at the same party, I'd want to be in his clique in the corner of the room just to listen to him go off on shit like that -- Raiders, Canadiens, Yankees, NFL idiocy, whatever. Especially after getting some drinks in him.
Turned it on right now. First thing I hear is that Patriots are holding back the playbook.
Actually, I didn't turn it off. Beetle is now advocating that Tom Brady should hold out next year or ask for a trade because of the offensive line.
Actually, I didn't turn it off. Beetle is now advocating that Tom Brady should hold out next year or ask for a trade because of the offensive line.
southshoresoxfan said:
They made a nice recovery. Playing that solo tuba rendition of "Happy Birthday" to accompany the Devey/OL talk was hysterical.
I heard about 5 minjutes in the car last night at the radio was still on 98.5 from T&R in the morning and Mazz actually said the Pats get too cute with the clock. Something about Belichick proving how smart he is because he has to get the clock to just 0 to avoid a kick off. Umm yeah you moron that is called clock management. You avoid giving the other team any chance to score if possible. That 5 minutes was 5 too many.
For as way off the reservation, they do have a very valid point. they have an unemployed talk radio host (who was going to be at Maryland to coach) the players reportedly don't like and a 26 year old rookie they are replacing with Makins with.
I turned it off and went over to WEEI and that horrible troll Jerry Thornton was there so I turned it off.
Why does WEEI have a need to have a suckbag third wheel at all times on D&H?
I turned it off and went over to WEEI and that horrible troll Jerry Thornton was there so I turned it off.
Why does WEEI have a need to have a suckbag third wheel at all times on D&H?
NortheasternPJ said:
The "proven winning" format must be followed, even when it isn't winning.
The two minutes I heard they were saying that, while they would rather have Revis, Talib had played better so far.... Even after admitting he got burned last week, and the personal foul penalty, while stupid, showed fire... Mazz liked the foul. I wonder if he liked it last year when Talib got into it in with Steve Smith last year.
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Hendu for Kutch said:
Apparently Revis was quoted in the lockerroom today remarking on how the Jets defense is consistently aggressive while the defensive scheme here changes it up based on opponent and situation. I guess when asked if he had one preference over the other, Revis remarked on how violent of a sport Football is.
They took something he said about maybe being a bit frustrated with not being "turned loose" and extrapolated it on what Revis thought about New England as an organization.
Mazz predicted back in February the Yankees would be better than the Red Sox in 2014. This thread roasted him for it. Mazz wins that round. Fair's fair.
Buffalo Head said:
I just re-read February and March posts and I'm not seeing it. There are four solid pages of Bruins trade deadline talk and some Jerry Thornton roasting but this is what I found on Mazz and the 2014 prediction.
allstonite said:
PeaceSignMoose said:
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
There's a few other posts touching on JMOH's point - it's schtick, it's manufactured, etc.
But no roasting. Certainly nothing like the "roasting" the show got for being dumb about the Bruins or trolling Patriots fans.
I guess if we need to acknowledge Tony got the Sox-Yankees record thing right, well OK. Good job Mazz. But I'm not seeing a "roasting" and I'd like you to point it out so we can properly address your concerns.
Meanwhile, thanks due to Buffalo Head for proving JMOH (bold, above) so very, very right.
Buffalo Head said:
I guess the better question, and one that's unanswerable, is did Mazz predict that out of the firmness of his sports convictions, or did he predict that in order to be a contrarian douchebag? And given his radio persona and history, what's the betting money on?
As I remember it, he felt the Yankees would be a much better team than they had shown in 2013, and that the Red Sox would backslide, and that in the process of that, the Yankees would win more games. But I don't think he said the Red Sox would go 70-90 and finish last, either.
The Yankees won 85 games in 2013. They won 84 games in 2014. So Mazz was only half right.
Again, though, do you think he was being sincere by offering his supposedly informed opintion, or do you think he was acting the role of edgy radio voice jackass?
Again, though, do you think he was being sincere by offering his supposedly informed opintion, or do you think he was acting the role of edgy radio voice jackass?
I think it was sincere. He made a case for it, felt the Yankees offense was much improved and that the Red Sox seemed poised for a letdown.
The 2013 Yankees scored 650 runs. So they signed McCann and Roberts and Ellsbury and Beltran and in 2014 scored....633 runs. That's often what happens when you sign a 30 year old catcher with 1100 games under his belt, a 37 year old OFer, a 36 year old 2Bman, and a 30 year old CFer with an injury history to huge contracts...they don't put up the same numbers they did when they were younger.
Maybe his reasoning was sound, but I don't think he really knew what he was talking about. The Yankees' pythag this year was 77-85.
Maybe his reasoning was sound, but I don't think he really knew what he was talking about. The Yankees' pythag this year was 77-85.
Buffalo Head said:
Of course it is. From many other sources I would believe that, 100%. From Mazz? Nope.
EDIT: I'm not trying to give you a hard time BH, you know that. I just think given the nature of the show it's worth asking how Mazz came to his conclusions.
First Bill Simmons and now this. Why do you always have to bully our media members? You big meanie!Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
BH and I are buds. I have pictures!
The Simmons thing was 9 years ago. Holy hell. Where does the time go.
The Simmons thing was 9 years ago. Holy hell. Where does the time go.
He was correct in his assessment of Yanks vs Sox. Cold, technical victory as both teams never made it out of hospice care. The season begins today, as Mazz would be the first to remind us if the records of the two teams were reversed.
Have Felger & Mazz on the tube this afternoon when a caller asked about the Celtics and tanking, etc.
Mazzerotti chimes in (paraphrasing), "I don't even know who is available that's any good Michael! I mean there's the twins at Kentucky but who else?"
Yup we're gonna tank for two players who project to be selected somewhere in the 20-30's. How can you be so unprofessional in your preparation in your supposed specialty? Good god I can't even find an emoticon that expresses how I feel about this.
Mazzerotti chimes in (paraphrasing), "I don't even know who is available that's any good Michael! I mean there's the twins at Kentucky but who else?"
Yup we're gonna tank for two players who project to be selected somewhere in the 20-30's. How can you be so unprofessional in your preparation in your supposed specialty? Good god I can't even find an emoticon that expresses how I feel about this.
HomeRunBaker said:
Who's specialty is basketball (NBA or college)? Mazz was a Sox beat writer and Felger covered the Pats. Who on that show is supposed to have extensive knowledge of college basketball prospects?
No one.Red(s)HawksFan said:
They know nothing of basketball and are quite proud of it.
I assumed when HRB said that he meant the specialty was talking about sports, which is a pretty broad area obviously. I don't hold it against Tony that he doesn't know the potential top NBA draft picks. I hold it against him that he doesn't know much about his specialty of baseball.
They host a popular SPORTS talk show. It is expected that they become proficient in I dunno......sports. I'm not even asking for exceptional coverage just don't embarrass yourself by not knowing anything about one of the four major sports that IS discussed extensively on the show and then speaking an opinion to prove it.Red(s)HawksFan said:
HomeRunBaker said:
I'm all for sports radio hosts knowing a little something about the sports they cover. No argument there.
But you picked an incredible stupid and obscure area of sports knowledge on which to base your critique of their lack of expertise. There are guys whose job is exclusively to cover college basketball who might not be able to identify clear-cut candidates for top 5 NBA draft picks a month before midnight madness and a good 9 months before the draft itself. And you expect a radio host in a town where NBA basketball is arguably the fourth biggest "passion" and college basketball is largely an afterthought to be able to informatively opine on potential lottery picks?
I'm not asking or expecting an informative opine from my radio sports talk show host. I only don't want him suggesting two players who could both be 2nd round draft picks to be guys the Celtics would be tanking for.Red(s)HawksFan said:
I don't think it's unreasonable for sports talk show hosts to have a basic minimal base of knowledge of a major sport. Not doing so is simply lazy and unprofessional.
Except for a few weeks in 1994, I don't think Mike and Mad Dog ever spent any significant time talking about hockey, even though three NHL teams played in the region and their station broadcast one of them.
I realize you're a hoophead, but the idea that its some third-degree crime that in late September their focus is entirely on things other than the Celtics is a little silly. They will talk plenty about the Celtics soon enough, and you won't like that either.
I realize you're a hoophead, but the idea that its some third-degree crime that in late September their focus is entirely on things other than the Celtics is a little silly. They will talk plenty about the Celtics soon enough, and you won't like that either.
I don't listen to a lot of sports talk radio so maybe that is the norm. If it is the norm I find that curious. I have done many speaking and training sessions in my jobs and can't imagine ever not being 100% prepared to speak about and respond to any question that may be asked about a discussion topic. If incompetence isn't wrong in that business I'm sure as heck glad I'm not in it.Buffalo Head said:
Maybe I wasn't clear. My issue wasn't Mazz not knowing WHO the top lottery picks should be right now......it is knowing WHO ISN'T! Even non-hoop junkies saw the Harrison twins last season. I mean geez, is it that hard to pull up the draft express mock draft? That takes all of about 4 seconds.
HomeRunBaker said:
You really are expecting a lot with this. Too much. Few "non-hoop junkies" know what draft express mock draft is. I certainly don't.
And damn you for making me even tangentially defend that whiny little pipsqueak.
Tony Mazz is lazy and doesn't do basic research, this is well known.
However not knowing the top draft picks for next years NBA draft isn't an example of this.
I have never heard of the Harrison twins and I am a big sports fan. Admittedly the only time I pay attention to college hoops is the 3 minutes I use to fill out my brackets each year.
However not knowing the top draft picks for next years NBA draft isn't an example of this.
I have never heard of the Harrison twins and I am a big sports fan. Admittedly the only time I pay attention to college hoops is the 3 minutes I use to fill out my brackets each year.
Was this a segment dedicated to Celtics talk, or was it just brought up by the caller? If it was a segment on the C's and a discussion on "Tankapalooza 2: The Tankening" then yes, some prep should have gone into getting an understanding of potential 2015 lottery targets. If it was more of a one - off caller then you can't really blame Mazz for not having info at the ready
Segment on Tankapalooza 2 which was the premise for my post on him being woefully unprepared to discuss a sports topic on their show.steveluck7 said:
This wasn't a media story according to Mazz. It was about the coach and the QB not being on the same page.
So, Mazz, ESPN and other media outlets released stories about turmoil in the locker room which were proven to be wrong but the media didn't make it up. Gotcha.
So, Mazz, ESPN and other media outlets released stories about turmoil in the locker room which were proven to be wrong but the media didn't make it up. Gotcha.