One thing I will agree with Felger/Mazz on is that Werner completely threw Theo under the bus with his comments last week. I say this understanding Henry has the power and he seems to be in Theo's corner, but would it really surprise if Wener and Luchhino wanted to push Theo out if say they miss the playoffs again?
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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I dont live in boston anymore so I rarely hear felger and mazz, but my mom listens at times, and she said Mazz had the idea today that the Red Sox should try and sign Jeter, please tell me she heard wrong or he was just joking, no Red Sox fan could possibly think this would be a good idea
I didn't listen to the radio show, but Felger was on Comcast and he and Tanguay both said they should sign Jeter. Because "it'll bring the rivalry back" and "it's good for TV and this team needs ratings". These guys are crazy.
Edit - Clarified Felger's comments I heard were on the TV show.
Edit - Clarified Felger's comments I heard were on the TV show.
yeah, they should give jeter the money they were going to use to go after werth and or resign beltre instead, that'll do wonders for the tv ratings when the team is out of contention because they have no offensive pop
if they were really going to make that arguement in favor of bringing the rivalry back, they should be making it about rivera, he's nearly as big a yankee name as jeter is, and is still one of the best closers in the game, and there was plenty of reason to bash papelbon after this past year
if they were really going to make that arguement in favor of bringing the rivalry back, they should be making it about rivera, he's nearly as big a yankee name as jeter is, and is still one of the best closers in the game, and there was plenty of reason to bash papelbon after this past year
Does it get listens, or ARE radios clicking off? I know in my case today, I remember the time exactly because I had just started my commute home... 4:09pm, I clicked over to TSH to see what was happening. I heard ONLY ONE WORD, and it immediately prompted me to change the channel. I'm not exaggerating. ONE FUCKING WORD that ruined sports radio for me for the afternoon and made me hit the CD button. What could this horrendous word be?
Teixeira. You expected anything else?
Because it would be about perception and not performance. I don't understand the point of the sarcastic "meanie" descriptor, but good job stealing it from that other guy. Shouldn't you be combing through my post history or something?
I turned it off about 30 seconds in when a caller asked if it was because of the Liverpool deal that they didn't up the VMart offer but I'll ask this... Is the problem Felger or Mazz or both? Would replacing Mazz with someone like Holley (I think this would be a stellar show) or McAdam fix the show? We all know Mazz has become a dope but it sounds like Felger needs someone to keep him in check when he goes on these ridiculous theories about being cheap and selling the team. Instead Mazz feeds into it, either because he is lazy or he truly believes it himself.
In 100% agreement. If they replaced Mazz with someone with a strong personality, like Holley, it would do wonders for the show and for for Felger. Just look at how good the Pats segments are when Paul Perillo sits or calls in.
F& M were just discussing how the Sox never re-sign their own free agents. Felger mentioned Bay as an example, then said you cant look at his production last year since "no one hits in that park in New York." I've heard this agrument before from them so I decided to take the 10 seconds to look this up.
Home: 277/371/459/830
Away: 243/326/354/680
Sure, small sample sizes due to the injury but just another of example of a lazy throwaway comment.
Home: 277/371/459/830
Away: 243/326/354/680
Sure, small sample sizes due to the injury but just another of example of a lazy throwaway comment.
But it really isn't a throwaway comment because its been F&M's entire basis for having resigned Bay. That his bad year this year is meaningless because it happened somewhere else and oh yeah he played in a pitchers park.
Which is whistling past the graveyard in my opinion.
Which is whistling past the graveyard in my opinion.
What the Sox have done more often is extend their guys rather than letting them even reach the market like, for example, Josh Beckett. Of course, F & M probably blast the Sox for giving Beckett his current deal. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
I just came in here to post about that. Wasn't it great? I agree with everything he said. Everything. I'm a cop; that shit doesn't bother me at all.
Other than that, the show has sucked today. I just can't listen to Butchy Stearns and "BUCKLEY. That's right. That's you name. BUCKLEY."
The extending players before they hit the market falls into their "small market" criticism. According to Felger, Mazz and Tanguay, they only want to sign players who are willing to re-sign for less than top dollar. They don't want to spend the money. Last week on Comcast Tanguay had the gall to say if John Henry isn't willing to give free agents like Victor Martinez 5 year deals, then he should sell the team.
Mazz doesn't argue with Felger. Twice, I've heard Mazz say "the Red Sox don't value his defense" in the low-volume, meek little tony voice while Felger plows forward with "why would they not sign him?!" rants.
"Because the Red Sox don't see him as a catcher. He's been well below-average since his Cleveland days and his throwing problems and mobility aren't getting any better at age 31. He's a DH who can squat. And he's not a particularly great DH, which is what you have to be to earn $12M a season. Ortiz has been killed for non-production at that salary and Victor, in his prime, was nowhere close to Ortiz. He's not a catcher. He's a DH who can squat. Let's get back to some Moss talk Mike..."
"Because the Red Sox don't see him as a catcher. He's been well below-average since his Cleveland days and his throwing problems and mobility aren't getting any better at age 31. He's a DH who can squat. And he's not a particularly great DH, which is what you have to be to earn $12M a season. Ortiz has been killed for non-production at that salary and Victor, in his prime, was nowhere close to Ortiz. He's not a catcher. He's a DH who can squat. Let's get back to some Moss talk Mike..."
I heard some of this, but Tony also says that they're hypocritical because why did they bring him in in the first place if his defense is so bad? Of course he fails to make the gigantic leap of logic that they acquired him for a season and a half to play while he was 30/31, which a bit different than locking him up until he's 36.
I can feel Felger already getting geared up for Monday's show. I'm guessing 70% will be Randy Moss, 29% about "Patriots getting back to their championship ways with Deion Branch" with a sprinkling of Mazz talking about Teixeira.
You guys might be winning me over. Pretty important Bruins game tonight and not one mention. Just Mazz's bullshit Red Sox theory. And some football. And Randy Moss.
Good Christ. :c070:
On Monday, Felger allowed that the Patriots' strategy of trading down in the first round appears to have worked well the past two drafts. That bought him a two week grace period with me.
Felger's football takes have largely been spot on this year, in my opinion. He's by far at his best when talking about football.
When he talks hockey, the conversation mostly doesn't advance past his narrative of "the Bruins blowing a 3-0 lead."
I find his hate of "all things NBA" hilarious, but he really doesn't say anything interesting about the actual on-court product.
And I find his baseball takes these days to be bordering on ridiculous and outright insane.
I'm still a fan of the show, and give it a chance everyday. But the lack of a solid co-host to keep Felger in-check has really shown over the past couple of weeks especially.
Mazz is getting more aggravating by the day.
He's been crying incessantly that the Red Sox won't pay for the premier free agents..right? It's not the salary Michael...right? It's the length of the contract...it's the years....right?
Now he says if the Sox hypothetically give Crawford a long term deal, they're making a panic move.
So they don't give Teixeira/Bay a long term deal they screwed up, they give Crawford a long term deal they screwed up.
Ok got it, thanks Tony.
"I'm still a fan of the show, and give it a chance everyday. But the lack of a solid co-host to keep Felger in-check has really shown over the past couple of weeks especially."
Why do you people incessantly defend Felger by blaming Tony Mazz for Felger's shortcomings?
Why do you people incessantly defend Felger by blaming Tony Mazz for Felger's shortcomings?
He needs an intellectual equal to challenge him on his opinions. Mazz is a fucking parrot. At times this works, but at times its a deterrent to the show. I side with Felger 99.99999% of the time and even I get frustrated that no one takes an opposing viewpoint. I find myself actually playing devils advocate in my mind wishing someone would bring up that point. It can ruin the show on certain days, and its usually where I change over to music.
Fegler is entertaining as hell, which is his #1 job description. This show could be the best in the business if they head in the right direction moving forward. And its gonna have to come in the form of Mazz stepping up his game, or moving aside so they can get a Mike Francesa type in there. There is a reason this thread is 77 pages deep and has made the Big Show discussion completely obsolete on this message board.
I havent been able to put my finger on exactly what was wrong and how to fix this, but the points here helped me realize it. Both Felger and Mazz both have some 'show' and 'agenda' in them and get caught up in that. Neither really holds the other accountable, and they completely lack NBA and NHL knowledge.
They need to steal a page from EEI and have a rotating host, add a 3rd person to the show that is appropriate for the current hot topic. If the topic is baseball maybe Gammons who would hold Felger accountable, for the NBA Donny Marshall is logical and well spoken, and Reiss or Rapoport would be great for the NFL, no clue for the NHL.
I would love to see Mazz traded for Mcadam, but even if he just took a Ray Allen last of the Big 3 role in this format I think this could really improve the show.
Best I have ever heard Felger was when he was paired with Callahan for a week pre-TSH days. Felger challenged GC and made him think and he even got him to back down on some of his far right wing views (I forget what) by asking "You don't really believe that do you?" to which GC admitted he didn't.
Now we will never have a Felger/Callahan show, but it shows how good he can be when he has an intellectual (to use Rocco's term) to challenge him and not let him go off on a reactionary tangent. Mazz = John Dennis. Fat and lazy. Say what you want Gerry because then I don't have to think and will fan the flames and agree with you.
Now we will never have a Felger/Callahan show, but it shows how good he can be when he has an intellectual (to use Rocco's term) to challenge him and not let him go off on a reactionary tangent. Mazz = John Dennis. Fat and lazy. Say what you want Gerry because then I don't have to think and will fan the flames and agree with you.
Well, I don't think even Mazz is dumb enough to try to keep the "fear of long-term commitment" narrative going if they sign Werth or Crawford. So he has to find another angle which allows him to be critical. As much as he likes to make the Teixiera thing a pivot point for the history of the organization, if they had signed him he'd be killing them for something else right now, assuming they didn't win the last three World Series.
That's what is driving me nuts about Felger lately. During one show he says he wants his teams to go for the big splash and didn't have a problem with the Patriots going out and getting Adalius Thomas, because even though it didn't work out, it showed a commitment to the team or some nonsense.
Now he is pissed because the Red Sox might be going after Crawford.
At least Mazz has started to admit that he likes Crawford, just not for the $$$ that he is asking for.
Felger realizes that Tim Thomas is the early favorite to win the Vezina, right? Assuming Timmy keeps this up, it'll be his second in three seasons. What a terrible investment...
One of the other goalies playing out of his mind? Carey Price. Yes, the same Carey Price that Montreal favored over Halak this past off-season. Of course, Felger couldn't tell the audience this because he doesn't watch hockey outside of the Bruins. Instead, he just rails on and on about Halak, as though he were dominating the league this season.
Oh, and don't anyone tell Felger that Chicago couldn't accept Antti Niemi's arbitration number because of the cap. Not that he would listen.
At least Mazz is making an effort to challenge him today.
One of the other goalies playing out of his mind? Carey Price. Yes, the same Carey Price that Montreal favored over Halak this past off-season. Of course, Felger couldn't tell the audience this because he doesn't watch hockey outside of the Bruins. Instead, he just rails on and on about Halak, as though he were dominating the league this season.
Oh, and don't anyone tell Felger that Chicago couldn't accept Antti Niemi's arbitration number because of the cap. Not that he would listen.
At least Mazz is making an effort to challenge him today.
Thankfully. It seems Felger got this idea watching Sergei Bobrovsky last night, and believing that he's "just another no-name", and thus anybody can get a goalie to lead them to the Cup. Sergei is 12-4-2 this year, but more importantly, he was very good in the KHL last year and the year before at age 20 and 21 putting up save %'s of .927 and .919 respectively. The same ages that Rask was in the AHL, which is an inferior league. Rask is also year older than "Bob", so it's not that surprising that Bob is making his debut right now and having success on a team that scores almost 4 goals a game.
It's a talking point. That's their MO. Find a talking point that is somewhat controversial, and beat it to death.
Right down to his Bruins Footie Pajamas that he wore when he was 6 living in Wisconsin. That makes him an expert.
That was unbelievable today! You have convinced me Blacken; I was wrong. He was completely talking out of his ass. Stunning. I was driving around in the car and couldn't believe what I was listening to. Thomas was out of his mind last night yet Felgy found a way to bitch about him and posit a bonehead theory on goaltending. Brutal.
It's seriously like Felger and Mazz just hate the Red Sox so much that it doesn't matter what they do. If they signed Cliff Lee, Crawford, and Beltre, then traded for Upton and Gonzo, while unloading Drew and somehow getting a good catcher, they would complain that they overpaid, and still don't have any solid relievers beyond Bard and Pap.
Ok, please tell me he didn't actually say this. I haven't really listened to the show in weeks because I'm pretty much done with it but I need to know if this is true. Adrian Gonzalez was born in the U.S. and speaks better English than Papelbon (though that's not saying much). You can hardly detect an accent from spending much of his youth in Mexico.
How the fuck would Felger know?
Somehow I suspect he's seen somewhere around zero Padres games in the past decade.
Somehow I suspect he's seen somewhere around zero Padres games in the past decade.
McAdam would be great...and screw all of you that say "his voice is too boring." ANY VOICE over Mazz's would be an improvement.
But really, McAdam is actually an adult when it comes to analyzing baseball, and would be a great counter to Felger's histrionic ways. He also knows a lot about hockey (unlike Mazz), so he can keep Felger in-check there too.
In a lot of ways, from his style and the substance he would bring, McAdam would be the perfect co-host with Felger. He's far more level-headed and balanced in his opinions (whereas Felger goes to extremes). It would be a really good mix.
Plus, they could bond over their NBA hatred.
What's even better is hearing Felger moan about how the Bruins would be a #8 seed if the playoffs started today. Except that they can't start today because the Bruins have played 3 fewer games than four of the teams ahead of them in the conference and 2 fewer games than the other three.
Which Mazz, to his credit, pointed out, and Felger--ever the slave to his narratives--brushed it straight off.
Ya, maybe someday they'll be smart enough to sign players like Beltre.
Hindsight is great too. I'm sure you were one of the legions who were upset with the Lackey signing last offseason because you knew he'd suck, right?
Making this point even more wrong is that hey're already complaining about potential Gonzalez and Crawford acquisitions, mentioned only several posts before yours. So I'm not really sure your point has any merit at all.
I don't think it took anything special to point at Lackey and Becket before the start of '10 to realize they both sucked. I wasn't special in believing Lackey wasn't a very good pitcher, no. My point has plenty of merit unless you consider their last huge haul of free agents as successful.
Seriously man? I was making a point that it doesn't matter what the f the Sox do, Felger and Mazz will find a way to hate on them. Obviously my point was silly, the point of it was to point out how ridiculous these schlubs are. They completely ignore past successes with players like Ortiz and Beltre by saying "OMG TEX ONLY WANTED $10 MILLION MORE!!!11!!!!21111!!!" Sorry dude, but your post misses the point. Listen to how bad this show has gotten in regard to the Red Sox actions. To me, it's fairly obvious that either a) they have been given a mandate from above to denounce the Sox because WEEI carries their games, and their best analysts, or b) Felger and Mazz truly hate the ownership because all they do is focus on the negatives of what the have done. To me, it's a heavy dose of b with a little push from a.
And if you want to have a discussion on the Sox' moves don't throw out names like "Atchkison," "Schoenwies," and Hermida. Those three were lotto tickets, and by the way "Atchkison," more than worked out. Pretty sure that Beckett guy won a World Series in 07 and Lackey signed a 5 year deal, not a 1 year deal. This all goes without mentioning Theo's draft successes, which is of course boring, so yes continue to lick Felger and Mazz's balls.