Uh, how many World Series did Craig Biggio win? And don't tell me that compiling stats in Houston where no one cares about baseball is the same as doing it in NEW YORK where EVERY game matters.
There, can I get a radio show now?
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Really I don't care about this discussion, I just think you were being an obnoxious dick for no reason and wanted to point it out. That and I think you are generally some type of twat stick.
It shows an utter lack of seriousness regarding the vote. You piss your vote away on nonentities for fun? You lose your right to participate in the process. It was a farcical use of a vote.
Steve, this is a serious question, not meant to be snarky -- do you understand how the voting process works? Is a voter who submits a ballot with four names and no Sele just as bad as someone with five names including Sele? If you've determined that you're only voting for less than 10 "legitimate" canidates, what difference does it make what happens to the number of voting slots not filled?
You do realize these ceremonial votes have been made pretty much every year that there's been voting.
You do realize these ceremonial votes have been made pretty much every year that there's been voting.
The ceremonial votes are the least of the problems afflicting the BBWA's lordship over the Hall.
Of course I realize how the process works. If a guy thinks there's only 4 worthy candidates for the Hall, submit a ballot with 4 names. Don't add some joke name in there merely because you think it's funny.
I continue to think that giving ceremonial votes to wholly undeserving candidates like Sele is making a farce out of the process. The HoF ballot does not exist merely so that a writer can give a shoutout to some player he knows.
If the BBWAA really took itself as seriously as these guys would like us to think, they would sanction such stupidity.
Then you should call Jeff Idelson and tell him to stop putting the Aaron Sele's of the world on the ballot. If they're on the ballot, they can be voted for.
Giving a vote to Aaron Sele is "harmless" in that he'll never be elected but it shows a total lack of professionalism and makes the BBWAA look foolish. A writer voting for a friend may find it cute and amusing but I assure you it gives the average fan one more reason to ridicule a process that has already come under fire.
Yes I know, BH. But the requirements for being on the ballot are merely ordinal in nature (10 years of major league experience and then a "screening committee" pass) and are barely vetted. Just because a guy is on the ballot doesn't mean he should receive any votes IMO.
Dd we figure out who cast the vote for Sele?
Dd we figure out who cast the vote for Sele?
On top of that, does Aaron Sele even give a crap about it? I could possibly see some purpose in the token votes to players if there was some tangible benefit to that player. Is Aaron Sele's life any better this morning knowing that he received a HOF vote? Does he feel any better about his career today than he did yesterday?
I know who the voter was. I told him to do it because I wanted to watch SJH's head split open and all the lava flow out.
I will say that this probably wasn't the year to pull such a stunt. Most, if not all, years, no one notices these things.
Yes, this is an excellent point. I seem to remember no one caring about the Deshais thing all that much.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/mel_antonen/01/05/one.vote.hall.of.fame/index.html
Interesting article from last year on the "ceremonial" vote issue.
Interesting article from last year on the "ceremonial" vote issue.
I think people notice every year. Just like people take notice when writers put some outlandish name on their MVP or Cy Young ballots. There's scrutiny and mild outrage for a day or two, then everyone forgets it ever happened. Same will happen with the Aaron Sele vote, just like it did with the Javy Lopez and Eric Young votes last year.
See, I would disagree, except maybe in the case of Barry Stanton, who put Surhoff on his ballot but didn't put "legit" candidates on it. If the person who voted for Sele also voted for Biggio and Piazza and the other top finishers, then the ceremonial vote didn't hurt those bids to make it. That's totally different than what happened to Ted Williams or Pedro in the MVP votes.
They don't even need to be on the ballot. I happen to know a guy who has a single official HOF vote from a universally-respected scribe with national exposure. He wasn't a player, never had a role with a major league club and was in the game for about 5 years. The hand-wringing over symbolic votes is missing the forest for the trees.
More on-topic, I think Mazz absolutely embarassed himself in the Celtics pregame last night. Can't locate video of it, but it was about the HOF his defense of his "nay" votes was moronic.
More on-topic, I think Mazz absolutely embarassed himself in the Celtics pregame last night. Can't locate video of it, but it was about the HOF his defense of his "nay" votes was moronic.
To be clear, I'm not referring to someone George King-ing his vote. I'm more talking about the guy who gave Dave Robertson a 10th place vote in 2011.
Now, will there be the same level of outrage around here in the next 4-5 years as the Trot Nixons of the world show up on ballots? Does a Mike Timlin vote earn pitchforks?
Sure, why not? Neither is remotely close to a HoF level player. And that's not really arguable, is it? The HoF ballot does not exist for writers to give their favorite players an "attaboy."
Odds are near 100% Cafardo, should he have a vote, puts both in his ballot.
Billy Mueller got 4 votes on his one year of eligibility, and I don't recall any outrage there. Can't imagine a Trot or Timlin or Embree vote would make a ripple.
No outrage at all. That would be a gritty vote that takes a lot of heart and fire.
I don't think Pokey is eligible, sadly enough. Dave Roberts is eligible next year. I guaran-TEE you he gets at least one vote.
I think BH's point about this year the writers taking all sorts of a "principled stand" against Bonds and friends, yet giving a guy like Sele a vote has some merit. Wrong year for such idiotic grandstanding combined with gratuitous wastes of votes.
There should be investigations and hangings. A MOCKERY if they get votes!
I don't have a problem with the BBWAA doing the voting and at the end of the day I don't really give a shit who gets to have a plaque in a museum and who doesn't.
IMHO, someone either belongs in the HOF or they don't and it should be obvious the moment they retire. The idea that they get 15 years of trying is ridiculous and it's part of what makes the whole process a farce to me. You want to stop the shenanigans, give players one year on the ballot and they either get in or they don't.
As it stands, the same writers that voted these guys MVPs and Cy Young award winners while ignoring the obvious, can make a symbolic gesture now because they know they can vote for Bonds and Clemens next year or the year after. If they had to make a decision today to put Bonds or Clemens in the HOF or never vote for them again I would bet my left arm that they would both be in the hall this year.
IMHO, someone either belongs in the HOF or they don't and it should be obvious the moment they retire. The idea that they get 15 years of trying is ridiculous and it's part of what makes the whole process a farce to me. You want to stop the shenanigans, give players one year on the ballot and they either get in or they don't.
As it stands, the same writers that voted these guys MVPs and Cy Young award winners while ignoring the obvious, can make a symbolic gesture now because they know they can vote for Bonds and Clemens next year or the year after. If they had to make a decision today to put Bonds or Clemens in the HOF or never vote for them again I would bet my left arm that they would both be in the hall this year.
Is there anything more annoying than the "angry" callers like Mike in Attleboro who spittle all over themselves to sound outraged and make no sense whatsoever?
That was well done. I was hoping Jack would get the chance when Mazz started on his 'numbers don't matter from this era' if he's going to stay true to that sentiment when Jeter comes on the ballot someday.
Yeah, that was me. I'm a loser. I have too much time on my hands this week.
In the past I was able to listen all the time but my job has changed so I just catch it here and there. But this week has been different.
Edit - Grammar.
In the past I was able to listen all the time but my job has changed so I just catch it here and there. But this week has been different.
Edit - Grammar.
They did welcome you back anytime and may have got a little emotional when they saw your name again.
Haha. I know, that was nice of them. After I hung up I felt bad for ripping on Mazz for years. I'm sure he's a nice guy he just gets under my skin on occasion.
The need to pick their spots better with their stable of celebrity callers like Mike in Attleboro. Automatic airtime is not good for the show. Unless it's Jack in LA, who is my favorite caller.
At the very least, F&M's celebrity callers must be endured for less than five minutes and most often for less than two. I have one WEEI listening rule - the moment the name "Frank" is used, I change the channel. Entire segments or hours or shows on WEEI use the menagerie of weirdos who call sports talk. Felger don't play that. He cuts off almost every caller, including the celebrities and doesn't suffer fools for more than 15 seconds.
Mike from Attleboro probably worships Jim Rome.
Thank you. I heard this while driving the kids home and I shut off the radio. WTF is this guy so angry about? He just kept raging against something. I normally never do this, but I actually talked to the radio and told him to "Relax, it's only sports."
My daughter had no idea what I was talking about.
Watching a game with Mike from Attleboro must be a real treat.
It's become part of Mikes act and its gotten really stale because now he wants to be angry Mike. . Every now and again be has a good point but its becoming rare. I don't know if he is angling for his own show or just likes the celebrity but I've heard him call Bertrand and Gasper and they give like 20 minutes.
Good call Jack. It was nice to see them welcome you back and practically gush when you got off the line.
Good call Jack. It was nice to see them welcome you back and practically gush when you got off the line.
Being one of the better callers on sports radio is like being one of the skinnier people at a Gresh family reunion. But I'll take it...thanks.
I fucking KNEW it was a Sosher! I heard the call as I was driving home. You tore Tony a new one, richly deserved. Bravo, my man! Fucking Bravo!
I missed you call Jack, I really wish I heard it and sorry I missed it as I would like to hear what Tony said back
Tony's response was great. Basically said he always thought that Biggio was a very good player that he would love to have on his team but not a Hall of Famer.
This is how you know it's the old timers doing it. Back in the day, it was probably nice for guys like Sele to see their name and get a vote or two. The ancient voters don't realize that now literally within 5 seconds there are a thousand people on twitter going "OMG LOL @ AARON SELE HE SUCKED". It's not an honor, it's got to be uncomfortable and embarrassing attention.
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"If you don't like it, don't listen!"
(The other common response -- that you have grossly mischaracterized Felger's position -- is not available on this one.)
Here's the best I could find:
http://nyjetscap.com/salary13.html
Currently at $147mm according to that which is probably a bit off, but that's a huge cap number for what they're carrying.
http://nyjetscap.com/salary13.html
Currently at $147mm according to that which is probably a bit off, but that's a huge cap number for what they're carrying.
Here's what Felger never understood. There are ways to get around current cap issues, but they pretty much all lead to extending the current player and giving him more guaranteed money with a contract extension that lowers the salary cap hit for that year. It just move the crisis into the future by a couple of years. As long as the cap kept going up, a team could keep punting on the issue, but with the cap being static for the last 3 years, the Jets have finally run into the wall. Now they have a bunch of older middling players that are owed a ton of money and since its all guaranteed, the dead money is huge if you cut them.