Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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Felger has been saying the past few days he wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series, that people are underestimating the injuries they have had and what the loss of Krejci did to the team. He pretty much was their best player. I don't think he will be overly negative towards the Bruins, he was expecting this.
 

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It will be interesting to see whether they are this nuanced and even handed.


Felger has said as much over the last few days. He said that if the B's lose in Game 7, it won't be a collapse because the Bruins aren't that much better than the Flyers and combine losing Krejci with getting back Gagne and the Flyers have improved themselves while the B's got weaker. Because of this he does not categorize this as a Yankees in 04 type situation.

He did say that it would be a huge heartbreak, but it won't be a collapse.
 

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Props to Jack from LA for just crushing Mazz on being a complete dolt about what a crushing defeat losing this series would be for B's fans.
 

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QUOTE (mikeford @ May 14 2010, 03:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2967815
Props to Jack from LA for just crushing Mazz on being a complete dolt about what a crushing defeat losing this series would be for B's fans.


I loved that-do you think Mazz really believes much of what he says?
 

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QUOTE (mikeford @ May 14 2010, 03:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2967815
Props to Jack from LA for just crushing Mazz on being a complete dolt about what a crushing defeat losing this series would be for B's fans.

Having missed it, what was said?
 

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I know that. If you were a famous hockey player from here playing for the Rangers and your team just clinched at home in your press conference after the game would you wear your Red Sox cap? I wouldn't.

But that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Sheed is from Philadelphia. You can't rag on a guy wearing gear from his hometown team.
 

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QUOTE (mikeford @ May 14 2010, 03:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2967815
Props to Jack from LA for just crushing Mazz on being a complete dolt about what a crushing defeat losing this series would be for B's fans.


Illustrating the danger of staking out unequivocal positions after game 6 of a 7-game series.

Mazz in his wildest dreams would not have predicted the manner in which this played out, but make no mistake about it -- blowing leads of 3 and 3 is an epic, historic collapse. There is no lipstick sufficient for this pig.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ May 14 2010, 09:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2968671
Illustrating the danger of staking out unequivocal positions after game 6 of a 7-game series.

Mazz in his wildest dreams would not have predicted the manner in which this played out, but make no mistake about it -- blowing leads of 3 and 3 is an epic, historic collapse. There is no lipstick sufficient for this pig.

Yeah exactly. Trying to pretend that this was the same as losing a series that was 2-2 or something is just ignorant and disingenuous.
 

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QUOTE (Spacemans Bong @ May 14 2010, 09:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2968442
But that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Sheed is from Philadelphia. You can't rag on a guy wearing gear from his hometown team.






You know what? The more I think about it the more I realize this is trivial and the it's the wrong place to argue about this crap. So, never mind. Keep it moving.
 

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Felger is CRUSHING the Bruins, starting with first and foremost, Jeremy Jacobs.

Whether you agree or disagree with his points, this is solid gold Felger today.
 

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QUOTE (mikeford @ May 17 2010, 02:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972865
Felger is CRUSHING the Bruins, starting with first and foremost, Jeremy Jacobs.

Whether you agree or disagree with his points, this is solid gold Felger today.

Wait, thee days ago he was saying he wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers came all the way back, and was pretty calm about it.

EDIT: Look at this post from Gambler, top post on this page:

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Felger has been saying the past few days he wouldn't be surprised if they lost the series, that people are underestimating the injuries they have had and what the loss of Krejci did to the team. He pretty much was their best player. I don't think he will be overly negative towards the Bruins, he was expecting this.


So I'm going to go ahead and guess that Felger's just playing a part to get ratings today. He knows people are pissed off and is playing up to them.
 

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Jacobs? What does he have to do with their series loss? I'm loathe to defend him, but I'm not sure I see him getting the blame for the players and coach blowing a 3-0 series lead.
 

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QUOTE (Haunted @ May 17 2010, 02:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972875
Jacobs? What does he have to do with their series loss? I'm loathe to defend him, but I'm not sure I see him getting the blame for the players and coach blowing a 3-0 series lead.


His rant is ridiculous today. His whole argument is that Chiarelli isn't proactive enough because the owner isn't obsessed with winning a cup. If guys like Chiarelli, Neely, Sweeney & Benning weren't driven to win a cup, they would have never made it to this level.
 

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QUOTE (Haunted @ May 17 2010, 02:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972875
Jacobs? What does he have to do with their series loss? I'm loathe to defend him, but I'm not sure I see him getting the blame for the players and coach blowing a 3-0 series lead.

To some in this city (and on this site), Jacobs will always be to blame for everything.

edit: Like typical Felger, I don't think he really believes that - just stirring the pot.
 

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I think his point about the team's "culture" is spot on, though.

Julian is 0-3 in game 7's as Bruins' coach. Charra is 0-5 in game 7's, etc.

I don't really follow his Jacobs point and how it's relevant to this collapse, but I think most of the rant is spot-on.
 

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QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ May 17 2010, 02:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972874
Wait, thee days ago he was saying he wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers came all the way back, and was pretty calm about it.

EDIT: Look at this post from Gambler, top post on this page:

May 13:


So I'm going to go ahead and guess that Felger's just playing a part to get ratings today. He knows people are pissed off and is playing up to them.


Consistency is the what of what? This is the same guy who snickered when Mazz was crushed on a very closely related point just days ago.

Proving again that that he's snickering at those who take him seriously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs
 

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QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ May 17 2010, 01:48 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972874
So I'm going to go ahead and guess that Felger's just playing a part to get ratings today. He knows people are pissed off and is playing up to them.


Felger went off the deep end on Friday night following the Game 7 loss on Comcast Sports Tonight. I think blowing the 3-0 lead within Game 7 is what cemented it. That took away the injuries crutch and it didn't help that his binky Tuukka was a big part of the Game 7 loss. Felger talked about wanting to projectile vomit all over the place. The Bruins have become the "old Red Sox." The Celtics have a culture of winning while the Bruins want those home playoff dates to sell the joint out, but aren't in it to win it. On Sports Sunday, Felger says he will be running a graphic on Comcast "# of days since the Bruins blew a 3-0 series lead and 3-0 Game 7 lead to the Flyers" every day until the Bruins win a Cup.

The best part of it was when Cedric Maxwell was rubbing it all in Felger's face a mere hour after the Bruins collapse. It might have been the funniest TV moment between two members of the Boston media in a long time. When Max got finished offering Felger a tissue, Felger went into a spirited rant into what a "bum" Rasheed Wallace is and how everything Larry Bird said about Max is true.
 

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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ May 17 2010, 03:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2972896
To some in this city (and on this site), Jacobs will always be to blame for everything.



I'm 51 years old. I'm one of those cranks who live in this city and am on this site who blames Jeremy Jacobs for everything. Especially Bruins mediocrity. Felger's a fan. I don't care if he goes from one end of the emotion spectrum to the other. So have I.


Oh, and I also blame Harry Sinden for everything too. I had always told Dalton Jones, and anyone else who would listen to me, that as long as Harry was the president and GM of the Bruins they would not win a Cup. I was right. I buy the whole culture thing.
 

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Not sure that Calgary would ever move Iginla though. He's that whole team now that they moved Phaneuf. Calgary fans might riot if they traded that guy away, no matter what kind of picks or players he brought back in return.

He'd certainly put the Bruins in poll position in the East if you got him + Hall though, can't argue with that.
 

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QUOTE (mikeford @ May 17 2010, 04:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2973024
Not sure that Calgary would ever move Iginla though. He's that whole team now that they moved Phaneuf. Calgary fans might riot if they traded that guy away, no matter what kind of picks or players he brought back in return.

He'd certainly put the Bruins in poll position in the East if you got him + Hall though, can't argue with that.




Just think of what he could teach a kid like Hall or Seguin. It'd be awesome.
 
QUOTE (Sparky Lyle @ May 17 2010, 12:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2973023
Our man Jack is on the show now. Great call again, as usual.

You're right about Iginla Jack. KPD agrees.


Thanks. I fucked up though. I said he was an "alternate" on the Canadian olympic team...I meant "alternate captain".

Some guys you look at for years and say, he'd be a perfect fit in a (insert team) sweater, and I always felt that way about Iginla and the Bruins. They need a winger, they need a leader, and they need a tough guy with skills...Jarome gives you all that and I do think he can be had.
 
QUOTE (mikeford @ May 17 2010, 12:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2973024
Not sure that Calgary would ever move Iginla though. He's that whole team now that they moved Phaneuf. Calgary fans might riot if they traded that guy away, no matter what kind of picks or players he brought back in return.

He'd certainly put the Bruins in poll position in the East if you got him + Hall though, can't argue with that.


From what I've read, their management was pretty much ready to move him for the right deal and then they decided to step back and re-examine the idea. So I don't think it would be easy, but it's not like he's off limits. And the trade of Phaneuf makes it all the more likely in my opinion - they know they have to rebuild. They aren't going to be contenders anytime soon and Iginla is 32 and will only lose value in the upcoming seasons. The Bruins have tons of picks and young players to center a deal around. I doubt they make this move, but I think it can be done.
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ May 17 2010, 04:02 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2973057
From what I've read, their management was pretty much ready to move him for the right deal and then they decided to step back and re-examine the idea. So I don't think it would be easy, but it's not like he's off limits. And the trade of Phaneuf makes it all the more likely in my opinion - they know they have to rebuild. They aren't going to be contenders anytime soon and Iginla is 32 and will only lose value in the upcoming seasons. The Bruins have tons of picks and young players to center a deal around. I doubt they make this move, but I think it can be done.


They really match up well, don't they?

I think it's a lot more likely than some here realize. Calgary fans might be upset initially, but they're not a playoff team and they need to rebuild. Better to maximize Iggy's value now, then to wait too long based on some false hope that they'll pull it together. Boston has the most to offer, as Calgary will be looking to add an young experienced Center (Bergeron), some high level prospects (Colborne), a young defenseman (Hunwick/Stuart), and a couple high draft picks (2011 TOR 1st, etc).

It seems to be a match made in heaven for both teams, and for Iginla. Yet, it does seem to be good to be true, so until it happens, it is.
 

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It seems like there is a new promo for Felger & Mazz which I heard for the first time this morning. It's a clip of Mazz going on a rant about how the Red Sox need to start acting like a big market team. It even includes him mentioning Texeira, in the context of how the Sox only offered Texeira big money because he was "the perfect player". In other words, "acting like a big market team" = "giving crappy contracts to risky players" to prove that you care about winning, because that's exactly how the Yankees won all those titles from 2001-2008.

Seems like an appropriate promo for the Show. I suggest the Big Show run a promo featuring an audio clip where everyone is talking over each other and one of the co-hosts tries to get a point across four separate times only to be interrupted midway through the first sentence each time before eventually dropping the point or forgetting it entirely. Then it can end with the voiceover saying "Catch the Big Show weekdays from 2-6".
 

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QUOTE (redsahx @ May 18 2010, 02:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2975726
It seems like there is a new promo for Felger & Mazz which I heard for the first time this morning. It's a clip of Mazz going on a rant about how the Red Sox need to start acting like a big market team. It even includes him mentioning Texeira, in the context of how the Sox only offered Texeira big money because he was "the perfect player". In other words, "acting like a big market team" = "giving crappy contracts to risky players" to prove that you care about winning, because that's exactly how the Yankees won all those titles from 2001-2008.


Oh yeah, sure. The Red Sox should have acted like a big market team, last winter. Theo should have anticipated the collapse in their starting rotation and, just for the sake of insurance, he should have gone out and bid whatever it took to get the best free agent starting pitcher available.... oh, wait a minute, I think that's what they did.
 

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Felger ripping Chiarelli for his "we're one of five teams to make the second round in each of the last two years" comment - not championship-driven, second round-driven.

Massarotti is also right in what the fans actually wanted to hear from Chiarelli - "We will be a better team next year, and our goal is to win the Stanley Cup". Not that hard.
 

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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ May 18 2010, 04:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2975871
Felger ripping Chiarelli for his "we're one of five teams to make the second round in each of the last two years" comment - not championship-driven, second round-driven.

Massarotti is also right in what the fans actually wanted to hear from Chiarelli - "We will be a better team next year, and our goal is to win the Stanley Cup". Not that hard.


I'm could have sworn I heard Chia say they want to win the cup in the press conference.
 

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I'm could have sworn I heard Chia say they want to win the cup in the press conference.

He did - around the beginning. He said something like "it goes without saying that our goal is to win the Cup" as a disclaimer to his opening statement, IIRC - paraphrasing of course.
 

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Felger ripping Chiarelli for his "we're one of five teams to make the second round in each of the last two years" comment - not championship-driven, second round-driven.


Do you think Chiarelli caught heat from Buffalo for the 5 extra home games to sell hot dogs & beer? He beat his earnings forecast and probably earns a bonus check from Mr. Burns. PROFIT.

Felger doesn't rip Bruins management nearly enough. We get half-baked conspiracy theories and vitirol about John Henry and Wyc and Belichick (let's face it, he might as well own the team for all the control he has)...but Mr. Burns and Charlie Smithers get (mostly) a pass.

The TRUTH is that Bruins ownership does not care as much about winning as they do about concession sales, It's been true for going on 30 years.
 

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I don't buy the ownership angle as being the reason that the team stopped playing when up 3-0 in the series, as if Chiarelli went into the locker-room (say, after game 4) and said "It's alright, we're getting to game 7 regardless, take it easy guys". Before the cap era, I could see Jacobs being culpable for his retention of a clearly over-the-hill Sinden as well as his miserly ways after '92 until the early '00s. Since then, outside of the Schaefer/Murray buyouts, he's spent to the cap and has even been willing to bury a contract here and there in Providence to be able to get dead money off the cap.

My beef with Chiarelli is trying to justify the Bruins' collapse by taking the positives out of literally everything this year, such as the "one of five teams" comment without a single mention of the ten game losing streak. He seemed really glad to harp on the last 15-16 regular season games, though. The last thing I wanted to hear today was an excuse; I wanted Chiarelli to say something more along the lines of Julien: "We realize how crushing this loss is for Bruins fans, but we will be back next year with a better team, and the goal of everybody in this organization is to win the Stanley Cup. I know that I and Bruins fans everywhere will be disappointed with anything less."

Today, Chiarelli made a second round exit seem acceptable (never mind a second round exit that happened to be the biggest choke in team, league, and perhaps sports history), and I have no patience for that.
 

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QUOTE (PedroSpecialK @ May 18 2010, 05:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2976005
I don't buy the ownership angle as being the reason that the team stopped playing when up 3-0 in the series, as if Chiarelli went into the locker-room (say, after game 4) and said "It's alright, we're getting to game 7 regardless, take it easy guys". Before the cap era, I could see Jacobs being culpable for his retention of a clearly over-the-hill Sinden as well as his miserly ways after '92 until the early '00s. Since then, outside of the Schaefer/Murray buyouts, he's spent to the cap and has even been willing to bury a contract here and there in Providence to be able to get dead money off the cap.


Chiarelli's boss isn't reaming him out for the team losing a 3 game and 3 goal lead...he doesn't care.

Which is why Chiarelli comes to a press conference and shows no urgency or consternation about the loss of a 3 game and 3 goal lead. Chiarelli got a pat on the back and a "we'll get 'em next year".

Ownership doesn't care, first, about winning Stanley Cups. Ownership cares, first, about concession sales and tickets sold. That's been the problem, that is the problem, that will be the problem. "Spending to the cap" isn't an "plus"; it's an excuse.
 

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Today, Chiarelli made a second round exit seem acceptable (never mind a second round exit that happened to be the biggest choke in team, league, and perhaps sports history), and I have no patience for that.


Sports as in all professional sports or sport's as in just NHL hockey? Because the 2004 Yankees would disagree with your assessment of the '10 Bruins choking being the biggest ever. Beyond the fact that it was the Yankees, had never been done before, etc., it was also the ALCS (B's were only in the Eastern semifinal), and was also a crucible moment for a rivalry that dated back to the just after WWI. If you want to avoid local bias, how about the '85 World Series when the Cardinals choked away Game 6 after a blown call at 1st and then got throttled by KC in Game 7? That one was pretty big - it cost them the title.

As for the biggest choke in NHL hockey history...certainly plausible. Boston certainly had everything on its side, momentum included, and then suffered an injury to one of its best players, but were still in a position to win Game 4 and sweep the series...and instead lost in OT, didn't show up in Game 5, couldn't find the net in Game 6, and...we know the rest. Pretty big gag job, esp. considering the Flyers were undermanned and had a backup G starting games for them in the playoffs. But it was still only the second round...and last year's team was better in almost every way and managed to get upended by a 7-seed, albeit in a crushing fashion of a different kind. But it had also happened twice before...so it's not like they're the only NHL team to choke so epically. I still think the '04 Yanks take the cake. And I'm okay with that. :)
 

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QUOTE (soxfan121 @ May 18 2010, 06:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2976082
Chiarelli's boss isn't reaming him out for the team losing a 3 game and 3 goal lead...he doesn't care.

Which is why Chiarelli comes to a press conference and shows no urgency or consternation about the loss of a 3 game and 3 goal lead. Chiarelli got a pat on the back and a "we'll get 'em next year".

Ownership doesn't care, first, about winning Stanley Cups. Ownership cares, first, about concession sales and tickets sold. That's been the problem, that is the problem, that will be the problem. "Spending to the cap" isn't an "plus"; it's an excuse.


I know if I was Jacobs (a businessman who profits from home playoff dates, and concessions), I would be bullshit that the team lost a 3-0 lead, and cost me the chance to sell (higher priced) tickets and concessions to at least 2 (and most likely 3 or 4) Eastern Conference Championship games. That's what I never got with this "Jacobs doesn't care about winning" stuff. If he didn't realize that the longer the team plays in May & June, the more money he makes, then he would be a shitty businessman. He's not a fan, and doesn't care like we care, but he's not a shitty businessman either. I bet he was furious at Chiarelli.
 

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QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ May 19 2010, 11:55 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978487
I bet he was furious at Chiarelli.


I've got 30 years of historical inaction - you've got some solid common sense.

My overall point is that among the Boston sports franchises, only the Bruins ownership is getting a pass from Felger.

Proving Jeremy Burns and Charley Smithers do not put winning #1 is not breaking news, nor can it be disputed. 30+ years and we've yet to see "bothered", let alone "furious". We get what we always get - resigned indifference. Wishing it were different does not make it so.
 

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QUOTE (soxfan121 @ May 19 2010, 12:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978520
My overall point is that among the Boston sports franchises, only the Bruins ownership is getting a pass from Felger.

Felger got removed from the Bruins beat at the Herald because he called Jacobs a criminal (or thief) in print and Jacobs threatened to sue. I have no idea how you can say that he's gotten a free pass from Felger, Felger has buried Jacobs more than any media member I can think of in the Boston area.
 

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Yeah, I don't get that statement. Felger is somehow blaming the 3-0 series 3-0 Goals loss on the culture of losing that starts at the top. He's actually managing to crucify Jacobs for players choking on the ice. He's irrational about Jacobs and always has been. If Jacobs bought Felger's daughter a honda he'd probably criticize Jacobs for not splurging for an acura.
 
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Proving Jeremy Burns and Charley Smithers do not put winning #1 is not breaking news, nor can it be disputed. 30+ years and we've yet to see "bothered", let alone "furious". We get what we always get - resigned indifference. Wishing it were different does not make it so.


Well said.

When I was a little kid I thought it was all about players ("Yeah, we got Andre Dawson! He won an MVP!"). But when I grew up I realized that the owner was more important than the goalie, the QB, the point guard and the cleanup hitter. There is a reason why Boston has won 6 Championships this decade and if you think that the Gastons, the Yawkeys (Trust), and the Sullivans (yes I realize the Pats actually actually went from the Sullivans to Kiam to Orthwein before they got to Bob Kraft but you get the point) could/would have had as much success in the 2000s, you're crazy. You need competent owners who WANT IT and are willing to put that above everything else. That's why I love a guy like Mark Cuban. Yeah he's a douche and the Mavs still haven't won a championship, but you know right now he's in some bullshit meeting trying to figure out who to bring in that can get it done - regardless of the money, regardless of how it may shake things up.

It sounds simple, but I really don't think the Jacobs give a fuck. I don't care what anybody says.

ps - I realize that Paul Gaston won a title...but then he gave the team to his shit head son who started a 15 year drought and hired ML Carr...so what does that tell you
 

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QUOTE (The Four Peters @ May 19 2010, 12:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978559
Felger got removed from the Bruins beat at the Herald because he called Jacobs a criminal (or thief) in print and Jacobs threatened to sue. I have no idea how you can say that he's gotten a free pass from Felger, Felger has buried Jacobs more than any media member I can think of in the Boston area.


I had forgotten this, so thank you for reminding me.

Perhaps it is that I have not been listening at the right times, or haven't had the criticisms of Bruins ownership register - I fully admit I'm one of those irrational, perpetually pissed hockey fans who have an unhealthy fixation on Burns & Smithers. Can't even leave the stupid nicknames alone - I really, really hate those guys. So it's possible my hate has made me blind or deaf here.

I do know that whenever I hear the media tearing into JWH or the Krafts, I get defensive because at least they care. They care and they've done the work or gotten lucky or whatever and WON. It starts at the top. And the Bruins can only win through luck because the desire to do real hard work and commitment to winning, on an ownership level, continues to be non-existent.
 

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QUOTE (BannedbyNYYFans.com @ May 19 2010, 01:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978581
Well said.

When I was a little kid I thought it was all about players ("Yeah, we got Andre Dawson! He won an MVP!"). But when I grew up I realized that the owner was more important than the goalie, the QB, the point guard and the cleanup hitter. There is a reason why Boston has won 6 Championships this decade and if you think that the Gastons, the Yawkeys (Trust), and the Sullivans (yes I realize the Pats actually actually went from the Sullivans to Kiam to Orthwein before they got to Bob Kraft but you get the point) could/would have had as much success in the 2000s, you're crazy. You need competent owners who WANT IT and are willing to put that above everything else. That's why I love a guy like Mark Cuban. Yeah he's a douche and the Mavs still haven't won a championship, but you know right now he's in some bullshit meeting trying to figure out who to bring in that can get it done - regardless of the money, regardless of how it may shake things up.

It sounds simple, but I really don't think the Jacobs give a fuck. I don't care what anybody says.

ps - I realize that Paul Gaston won a title...but then he gave the team to his shit head son who started a 15 year drought and hired ML Carr...so what does that tell you


I think that were arguing two different issues. Jacobs is a businessman, not a fan. In that case, of course making the most profit he can is the objective. What I'm saying is, as a businessman, why would he be indifferent to the fact that the team losing a series that they should have won just cost him millions of dollars in profit. When the team does better, he makes more money. Personally, I don't care if he's emotionally involved in the team. I just want him to write the check for the $56.8 milllion cap, hire competent hockey people, & let them try to win a cup.

Edit: But don't get me wrong, I'd be tab dancing in my office right now if I was posting in the "Jacobs dead at 70, Son plans to sell team" thread.
 
QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ May 19 2010, 09:20 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978605
I think that were arguing two different issues.


You're probably right. And as TFP pointed out, Felger has a personal vendetta against Jacobs - warranted or not. I guess I'm just saying that it's pretty obvious that the guy has prevented the B's from winning Stanley Cups in the past by being too cheap and that he probably isn't fazed by them losing this season and I think it sucks.

Not to beat a dead horse but look at a guy like Cuban. He took over a horrible franchise and said, how can I get an advantage in a salary cap league? He put in a state of the art gym, bought them a top notch private plane, gave the team a new techy locker room - all to help free agents sign there. That is what I wished the Bruins had - a guy who just doesn't count receipts at the end of the night. Someone who is willing to pay big money to hire the best trainers, coaches, etc. But that isn't Jacobs...he's a businessman like you said. And after 30+ years of rooting for the team it gets old. As a fan, you want an owner who you feel cares about winning.

ps - I sound like my gf while she is p.m.s.ing. Too soon to post about hockey after such a horrible series. I sound like a douche...I'm done whining.
 

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Felger is on the Bruins again...

"I see no reason to interview Cam Neely. I don't see his imprint on the organization, so why interview him? He doesn't do anything. I want to talk to somebody who does do something...but if they just want their nuts scrubbed, they'll go on the other station." :rolling:

I love the passion...great radio.
 

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QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ May 19 2010, 01:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2978605
Personally, I don't care if he's emotionally involved in the team. I just want him to write the check for the $56.8 milllion cap, hire competent hockey people, & let them try to win a cup.


I think that's the main obstacle at this point. He's not knowledgeable enough to decipher who is and is not a competent hockey person. That's also pretty clear IMO in the interviews he gives when he's asked a hockey question. He may be on the Board of Governors but I'm not sure how much he really knows about the sport. If I were the Owner and my GM says to me "I have a great chance here to lock up Ference at 3yr/2.25per" I'd have him drug tested on the spot.

Sinden stayed well later than he should have and lost his fastball years before he shrank into the shadows of the organization (though he does seem to make cameo appearances in the owner's box). MOC was a bit of a disaster. Chiarelli seems to do just as much harm as good.

I guess there's a fine line between being an overbearing owner that is in the way and an absentee owner that doesn't do enough to right the ship. Winning a Cup would be great for JJs bottom line so I don't think this is an issue of 'want to' so much as it is an issue of 'can do.'