Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[Sparky Lyle]

[quote name='Darnell's Son' timestamp='1328576902' post='3972397']
This.
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Hey, I got a good idea for you, mister fucking moderate, why don't start a thread called "Things I Hate About Felger and Mazz?" Then, all you douche bags who come into this thread and troll can all go over there and jerk each other off and preserve the sanctity of your pure and reasoned reckoning of the Boston media market. You cunt. Trust me, I won't go into your circle jerk thread. Trust me.

 

[Dalton Jones]

Hey, I didn't say anything. Why am I being drawn into this? I love Mike Felger. He's a transformational figure. Forever more the history of Boston sports media will be divided into before-Mike-Felger and after-Mike-Felger...... and leave Sparky alone!

 

[weeba]

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Hey, I got a good idea for you, mister fucking moderate, why don't start a thread called "Things I Hate About Felger and Mazz?" Then, all you douche bags who come into this thread and troll can all go over there and jerk each other off and preserve the sanctity of your pure and reasoned reckoning of the Boston media market. You cunt. Trust me, I won't go into your circle jerk thread. Trust me.

Free circle jerks?

I'd check it out.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Awesome.

Right down to the sweater vest and track suit.

 

[the1andonly3003]

same can be said for those who post in the Big Show thread

 

[soxfan121]

I'm convinced that people who hate the Tony Mazz Boston Accent know they sound like the Tony Mazz Boston Accent and are sensi as a result.

In fact, I've begun reading all Jackson & the1andonly3003 posts in the Tony Mazz Boston Accent and it improves them approximately 500000%. Try it.

{Yeah} same can be said for those who post in the Big Show thread

{Yeah} Neither of them is bright enough to be facetious.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

People who say "sensi" instead of "sensitive" deserve to be locked in a room with Tony Mazz

 

[the1andonly3003]

I'm convinced that people who hate the Tony Mazz Boston Accent know they sound like the Tony Mazz Boston Accent and are sensi as a result.

In fact, I've begun reading all Jackson & the1andonly3003 posts in the Tony Mazz Boston Accent and it improves them approximately 500000%. Try it.

are there clips of Mazz like this?

I'm probably one of the few who actually like and bash both Big Show and F&M shows

 

[Phenom]

same can be said for those who post in the Big Show thread

...but nobody posts in "The Big Show" thread because "The Big Show" is irrelevant.

As Homebrew stated earlier in the thread, Felger is the preeminent sports media personality in Boston. People want to know what he's thinking, and his voice carries a significant amount of influence. To my knowledge, he was the first person to talk about how the "NFL cap is crap," and that discussion point is now appropriate fodder for almost all other sports talk shows in the city. Felger pushes the talking points for just about everybody else working in this town right now.

It's kind of funny, actually, when Felger interviews somebody from out of town on his show and that person doesn't grasp the "talking points" that we all have in our daily sports vernacular, even though they're exactly that, "talking points." An example of this would be when Felger and Mazz interviewed Ben Cherington a couple of months ago, (I know he's not from out of town, but he's "out of the sports media loop," if you will) and Felger asked Cherington, "do you think Josh Beckett still wants it?" Now, we all understood what those vague terms were inferring, but Cherington replied "doesn't want what?" The commentary in Boston on Beckett has morphed into a discussion about whether he still "wants it" due to Felger's opinions on him, even though again that point of view is a radio talking point just like everything else.

Nobody has ever spouted a Glenn Ordway "talking point" as fact, nor has Ordway ever driven the sports conversation in Boston. The more times passes, the more it becomes clear that Ordway's popularity was a product of his environment: there was nobody else to listen to.

 

[Darnell's Son]

Hey, I got a good idea for you, mister fucking moderate, why don't start a thread called "Things I Hate About Felger and Mazz?" Then, all you douche bags who come into this thread and troll can all go over there and jerk each other off and preserve the sanctity of your pure and reasoned reckoning of the Boston media market. You cunt. Trust me, I won't go into your circle jerk thread. Trust me.

Who the hell is trolling? And to the bolded, this thread isn't titled "Felger and Mazz Ball Licking." I don't understand why there can't be any negative criticism. And I'm a cunt? WTF? Dude, grow up.

 

[PortageeExpress]

An example of this would be when Felger and Mazz interviewed Ben Cherington a couple of months ago, (I know he's not from out of town, but he's "out of the sports media loop," if you will) and Felger asked Cherington, "do you think Josh Beckett still wants it?" Now, we all understood what those vague terms were inferring, but Cherington replied "doesn't want what?" The commentary in Boston on Beckett has morphed into a discussion about whether he still "wants it" due to Felger's opinions on him, even though again that point of view is a radio talking point just like everything else.

Do you really think Cherington didn't understand the question?

 

[the1andonly3003]

maybe after WEEI gets rid of Deossie, he can swing over to F&M for Felger to belittle him

 

[ForKeeps]

Do you really think Cherington didn't understand the question?

I can't think of a reason why he would.

 

[Darnell's Son]

I can't think of a reason why he would.

Really? That "it" is a pretty commonly used sports cliche'. Cherington was playing dumb to avoid a valid question. To me, he used a sidestep by making the question seem illegitimate even though it wasn't. I can't blame him for doing it, and I think it is a good sign that he did do it from a Red Sox perspective, but he knew what was being asked and if he didn't we should all be very scared at the lack of intelligence in the front office.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

[quote name='Darnell's Son' timestamp='1328658430' post='3973415'] Dude, grow up. [/quote]


Pal, yell at me all you want. You made good points.


Do not tell me to grow up. You don't know me. Do not tell me to grow up.

 

[Darnell's Son]

Pal, yell at me all you want. You made good points.


Do not tell me to grow up. You don't know me. Do not tell me to grow up.

I love you too, Sparky.

 

[dcmissle]

That might be the dumbest thing said in the past week and a half, and my oh my is that an accomplishment.

Somebody please call to inform him that it is "Yo Adrian" and "Adrian Gonzalez" but Abraham Zapruder who videotaped the President's exploding skull.

I wanted a substitution, but on further reflection he belongs right here, where he can entertain and do the Republic no lasting harm. Lazy.

 

[the1andonly3003]

Mazz loves Modern Family and Sofia Vergara

 

[PedroSpecialK]

[Naughty Massarotti]

Boobs

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[fairlee76]

For sure. And Sparky can say whatever he wants, but he'd be all over that thread like he was an Andover High basketball player.

From what I have heard this week, Felger and Mazz have been great. Good, balanced coverage with a few funny faux pas's (or however you pluralize that) thrown in. Loved when Mazz did not get the sarcasm when a caller riffed on Menino's "Wekler" speech.

 

[Phragle]

In regard to Oil Can Boyd, "cocaine is not a performance enhancer, it only makes me poop" -Felger

 

[the1andonly3003]

Felger and Mazz at their best today ripping the Red Sox

 

[ForKeeps]

[quote name='Darnell's Son' timestamp='1328670357' post='3973609']
Really? That "it" is a pretty commonly used sports cliche'. Cherington was playing dumb to avoid a valid question. To me, he used a sidestep by making the question seem illegitimate even though it wasn't. I can't blame him for doing it, and I think it is a good sign that he did do it from a Red Sox perspective, but he knew what was being asked and if he didn't we should all be very scared at the lack of intelligence in the front office.
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Oh yeah, it's a totally valid question. Boy, I'd love to see what Josh Beckett could do if he really did "want it", as opposed to just sucking his way to the lowest ERA of his entire career.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Oh yeah, it's a totally valid question. Boy, I'd love to see what Josh Beckett could do if he really did "want it", as opposed to just sucking his way to the lowest ERA of his entire career.

So, does this mean that you were happy with Josh Beckett's overall performance last season? Remember, to include September in your thinking.

 

[the1andonly3003]

the rehiring of Dr. Steinberg will make them merrier

 

[RedOctober3829]

Classic Felger. Going after Beckett for saying the same things about last year as Lester. Pot, meet stirrer.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I wish 98.5 would save the money and just get rid of Mazz and put Bertrand in his seat. Not only he's better but he's also cheaper. That's VALUE! That's what the Patriots would do!

i actually like Mazz, but Bertrand is much much better.

 

[WinterSoldier]

I wish 98.5 would save the money and just get rid of Mazz and put Bertrand in his seat. Not only he's better but he's also cheaper. That's VALUE! That's what the Patriots would do!

i actually like Mazz, but Bertrand is much much better.

I totally agree with you on this. Bertrand is definitely the voice of reason who reigns Felger in when he flies off the deep end while on his soap box. But I wouldn't completely remove Mazz altogether. I seriously can't stand Andy Gresh's voice screaming at me over the radio. I'd replace him with Tony and even add Tangers into the mix seeing as how the show sometimes goes with a 3-man format in including Shaughnessy.

 

[drtooth]

Felger getting Dan Roche all pissed off is pretty amusing

 

[SoxScout]

It was actually nice to hear someone challenge Felger on this whole Beckett thing. I am a Felger guy and I accept his radio trollish act, but for Christ sakes he makes it seem like Beckett has averaged 46 IP and a 6.60 ERA the last 4 years.

How about getting on Lester for peaking as a 25 year old and getting progressively worse the last 2 years?

 

[the1andonly3003]

Mazz takes the week off, but decides to do the Baseball Show?

 

[Buffalo Head]

I'm going to guess that Mazz has kid-watching duty during the day (vacation week), but can still do the 7 p.m. Baseball Show.

 

[AimingForYoko]

I'm going to guess that Mazz has kid-watching duty during the day (vacation week), but can still do the 7 p.m. Baseball Show.

Yeah, he pretty much said that last week that the kids were home so I wouldn't be surprised at him showing up on sports tonight or something.

And someone in the red sox forum already said that the narrative was going to be Lester-good/Beckett-bad no matter what Beckett said so that's pretty spot on.

I'm not a member of the Beckett fan club by any means but the only topic I take Felger less seriously about is the NBA. It's like when Francesa pretends that it's such a chore to criticize the Jets.

 

[ForKeeps]

So, does this mean that you were happy with Josh Beckett's overall performance last season? Remember, to include September in your thinking.

I think September was a bit of regression. He had a good season, but it wasn't sub-3 ERA good. And btw, his xFIP in September was 2.96, he just gave up a few too many home runs in a small sample. If you think it's because he "gave up" or any of this other soap opera nonsense the media is feeding you, that's nice for you but I don't see one shred of evidence.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I think September was a bit of regression. He had a good season, but it wasn't sub-3 ERA good. And btw, his xFIP in September was 2.96, he just gave up a few too many home runs in a small sample. If you think it's because he "gave up" or any of this other soap opera nonsense the media is feeding you, that's nice for you but I don't see one shred of evidence.

There's also that little ankle thing that tends to get overlooked. His "bad" starts in September all came after he turned his ankle in Toronto. It cost him one start and he may have rushed himself back because of the way the team was going. That certainly could have played a role in both his lack of command and stamina in those last starts. The way he looked in those last couple starts was reminiscent of the 2008 post-season when he was clearly not 100%...flashes of dominance mixed with erratic and untimely losses of control.

 

[lexrageorge]

I think September was a bit of regression. He had a good season, but it wasn't sub-3 ERA good. And btw, his xFIP in September was 2.96, he just gave up a few too many home runs in a small sample. If you think it's because he "gave up" or any of this other soap opera nonsense the media is feeding you, that's nice for you but I don't see one shred of evidence.

There's also that little ankle thing that tends to get overlooked. His "bad" starts in September all came after he turned his ankle in Toronto. It cost him one start and he may have rushed himself back because of the way the team was going. That certainly could have played a role in both his lack of command and stamina in those last starts. The way he looked in those last couple starts was reminiscent of the 2008 post-season when he was clearly not 100%...flashes of dominance mixed with erratic and untimely losses of control.

There was very obvious evidence he did gain weight. Some claim that it doesn't matter for pitchers, but I'm highly skeptical of that being the case (most baseball folks would agree with my skepticism). Exactly how much of his September regression was due to his ankle, how much was due to his weight gain, and how much the two were related is really something that can never be proven. But the weight gain was there for all to see, so it's clearly a relevant topic for conversation, and not just "soap opera nonsense".

I don't know Josh Beckett, but some media accounts portray him as a bit of an entitled and self-absorbed ass. Whether that's true or not, I agree it is 100% irrelevant when it comes to on-field performance. However, if a player acts that way in his dealings with the press, then the media will not exactly be extending such player any benefit of the doubt, especially when the same player is the highest paid pitcher on the team. Lester comes across very differently when dealing with the media. Whether one was actually better or worse than the other in ordering Popeyes really doesn't matter to the Felgers of the world. Hopefully Beckett realizes that and hopefully he cares not a whit.

EDIT: I agree that the narrative Beckett somehow "gave up" is truly "soap opera nonsense". He's not blameless for what happened in September, but he was hardly the sole cause. Here's hoping for the 2007 Beckett to make a return; then all this will at least subside.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

This is the first time I've ever listened to DA. Maybe he's an acquired taste but I find him unlistenable. Wtf was that analogy about taking his daughter to visit colleges? Jesus, I hope Felger is back tomorrow.

And holy shit he's the spitting image of Baba Booey.

 

[jsinger121]

Felger is out the rest of the week. Its Beetle and DA the rest of the week.

 

[AimingForYoko]

I'm not paying attention to the show much but it is hilarious that they keep ripping DA and his show. And that little message Felger and Mazz left was priceless.

I'll refer to this show the rest of his week as Beetle and Chompers.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Felger is out the rest of the week. Its Beetle and DA the rest of the week.

Bleh. It's too bad because I really enjoy Felger with Beetle. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[SoxScout]

Dear god he sucks. I guess he is in his element shooting the shit with all the CSNNE girls at night, but talking Bruins is brutal.

 

[Blacken]

DA is really, really bad about the Bruins. Not better about the Patriots.

Actually, he should probably just shut up.

 

[the1andonly3003]

No need to shuffle between TSH and WEEI rest of this week...sticking with Ordway and Holley

 

[WinterSoldier]

Hey that's how I'm feeling about Johnston & Flynn...boring as hell compared to what I'm used to with T&R. So the stations stays on D&C (who are slowly winning back my attention as of last week). But to get back on topic, DA is usually a good listen. I think his style is off due to working with a partner as opposed to solo. Give him time. He'll win you over.

 

[the1andonly3003]

who are Johnston and Flynn?

Hey that's how I'm feeling about Johnston & Flynn...boring as hell compared to what I'm used to with T&R. So the stations stays on D&C (who are slowly winning back my attention as of last week). But to get back on topic, DA is usually a good listen. I think his style is off due to working with a partner as opposed to solo. Give him time. He'll win you over.

 

[the1andonly3003]

it's the first week of Spring Training, why send them on vacation?

 

[Darnell's Son]

it's the first week of Spring Training, why send them on vacation?

It's school vacation for most, if not all, schools in the area. That means a whole lot less cars on the road. Teachers and everyone else that works in some capacity for schools aren't working, and a lot of parents take the week off to either go on vacation or stay at home with the kids so they don't have to hire a babysitter for an entire week. It makes the most sense for the station to take a ratings hit this week when there simply won't be as big of a pool of radio listeners than almost any other week.

 

[Phenom]

DA does a nice job at night...he usually has 3-4 quality guests per show and has the perfect amount of patience for "zany late night callers" (opposed to Mike Adams, who IS a "zany late night caller").

But DA's been awful filling in for Felger. This isn't the 11:00 PM hour, there's no need to prolong basic points (it takes DA 10 minutes to say something that can be summarized in 2 minutes), and keep terrible callers on the air.

They should've had Gasper fill-in with Bertrand. I've liked what I've heard from their show on Saturday's. Plus, the beetle deserves a shot in the big chair. He's the only "flash guy" I can think of who's actually gotten better with more exposure.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Give him time. He'll win you over.

Not so much. I tried for about an hour today. Brutal. Laughing every two seconds after his own jokes, repeating stupid catch phrase after catch phrase, calling today, "ThursDA"...haha. He's like a morning zoo DJ trying to host a sports radio program.

And saying he's better than Mike Adams is like saying he's better than cancer, so I don't really give him credit for that.