Following Former Red Sox: 2013

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nattysez

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Old friend Jorge "part of the Schilling deal" de la Rosa is in the Rockies' starting rotation.
 

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mt8thsw9th said:
 
Have you ever heard of Will Middlebrooks?
Have you heard of Middlebrooks' injury this Spring that almost left us starting Ciriaco at third?

As has been stated, he wanted a full time role and the Red Sox didn't have that available to him.

But the White Sox don't have that excuse.
 

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I think I would prefer Youkilis at one year / $13 to Keppinger at three years / $12. Keppinger isn't a full time player in my opinion.

It's extremely early and $13 mil is a lot of money, but I think the White Sox will end up regretting that decision.
 

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Carl Crawford is really annoying now. Hitting over .400 and making the kind of diving catch that would have been nice against the Os in September '11. Maybe he was just injured and is now all better.
 

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InsideTheParker said:
Carl Crawford is really annoying now. Hitting over .400 and making the kind of diving catch that would have been nice against the Os in September '11. Maybe he was just injured and is now all better.
Perhaps his injury somehow caused him to dislike batting leadoff also. Seems pretty content there now.
 

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I'm more surprised that Gonzalez and Beckett haven't gotten off to a torrid start than I am that Youkilis, Crawford, and others are playing so well right now.  There was a lot wrong with the September 2011-2012 Red Sox but it certainly wasn't a lack of overall talent.
 

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knucklecup said:
I'm more surprised that Gonzalez and Beckett haven't gotten off to a torrid start than I am that Youkilis, Crawford, and others are playing so well right now.  There was a lot wrong with the September 2011-2012 Red Sox but it certainly wasn't a lack of overall talent.
 
I watched the first 3 innings of the LA-SD game yesterday on MLB. Tuned in for Vin scully, but curious to see Beckett. He was just junking it up there. Seemed like 80-90% of his fastballs were 90 or 91 without enough movement to make it a real weapon.
 
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InsideTheParker said:
Carl Crawford is really annoying now. Hitting over .400 and making the kind of diving catch that would have been nice against the Os in September '11. Maybe he was just injured and is now all better.
 
Yeah, I think we would have seen some of this Carl Crawford here, but circumstance and injury gave the Sox two lost years.  It happens.  Good for him, I hope they all do well for the Dodgers.  I have no problem with the future direction of this team.
 
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knucklecup said:
I'm more surprised that Gonzalez and Beckett haven't gotten off to a torrid start than I am that Youkilis, Crawford, and others are playing so well right now.  There was a lot wrong with the September 2011-2012 Red Sox but it certainly wasn't a lack of overall talent.
 
With Youks, I think it's about maintaining health.  I, and a lot of people here, felt he wasn't "cooked" per se.  And you just knew that he'd absolutely kill it for the Yankees.  If he maintains it, because he remains healthy, cool.  As long as they lose all the remaining games to the Sox and they finish in last.
 

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The BA being much higher than OBP suggests a very small sample size and at least a couple of PA's used on sacrifices or such. So I'm going to guess it's a pitcher in the NL, and I'm going to further guess that it's Josh Beckett.
 
EDIT: NM. Can I read? No.
 
I wasn't that far off, though. :)
 

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Who was it? I guessed a pitcher but I couldn't figure out which one. Is there even a good list for seeing how pitchers are hitting with searching their individual names?
 

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Thanks Sumner 
 
EDIT:What threw me off the Punto trail is that I just did a general batter search and he didn't pop up because he only has 5 AB
 

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HillysLastWalk said:
With Youks, I think it's about maintaining health.  I, and a lot of people here, felt he wasn't "cooked" per se.  And you just knew that he'd absolutely kill it for the Yankees.  If he maintains it, because he remains healthy, cool.  As long as they lose all the remaining games to the Sox and they finish in last.
Put me in the camp that didn't think he was "cooked." He seems to be the type of player that would see a slow decline instead of a cliff and staying healthy going forward is going to be a real challenge. At the time of the deal WMB needed to be an everyday player and Youks wasn't going to be happy on the bench. I have no hard feelings for him or for the deal that sent him to the White Sox.
 

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knucklecup said:
I'm more surprised that Gonzalez and Beckett haven't gotten off to a torrid start than I am that Youkilis, Crawford, and others are playing so well right now.  There was a lot wrong with the September 2011-2012 Red Sox but it certainly wasn't a lack of overall talent.
My guess is Beckett is a permanent odd year (whichever one is the down year) Beckett now. He was great for Boston for most of his tenure, but he's obviously getting to that point where most pitchers have to change their approach or slide into mediocrity. I don't see Josh F. Beckett rethinking his game to that extent. I would imagine his slide into mediocrity will be much more gentle in Chavez Ravine than in the Fens.
 

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selahsean said:
My guess is Beckett is a permanent odd year (whichever one is the down year) Beckett now. He was great for Boston for most of his tenure, but he's obviously getting to that point where most pitchers have to change their approach or slide into mediocrity. I don't see Josh F. Beckett rethinking his game to that extent. I would imagine his slide into mediocrity will be much more gentle in Chavez Ravine than in the Fens.
 
Odds were good for him.  Sorted ERAs with odd years in bold:
 
2.89 2011
3.04 2003
3.27 2007
3.38 2005
3.79 2004
3.86 2009
4.03 2008
4.10 2002
4.65 2012
5.01 2006
5.78 2010
 
For completeness, he's had 2 starts in 2013 and his ERA is 4.91
 

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Lowrie just picked up his third error in as many games.  The A's don't really have another viable SS option, so this could get ugly. 
 

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Lowrielicious said:
Perhaps his injury somehow caused him to dislike batting leadoff also. Seems pretty content there now.
 
HillysLastWalk said:
Yeah, I think we would have seen some of this Carl Crawford here, but circumstance and injury gave the Sox two lost years.  It happens.  Good for him, I hope they all do well for the Dodgers.  I have no problem with the future direction of this team.
 
Yep.  I can't throw the guy under the bus entirely due to the hidden injury issue, but it seems like he either never gave it his all here, or didn't make the right choices in how to approach his time in Boston.  Sucks that he was stressed out and felt he needed to produce and/or was "uncomfortable," but when you're a multi-millionare you get on the ball and fix it.
 

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Not much time with the Sox, but Brent Lillibridge is starting at 2B for the Cubs today. Could tell it was him because he still looks like Buchholz. He's 17 AB, .000 OPS for the season. Come on Theo. Come on Sveum.
 

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Don't worry, he'll get hurt before he can set any error records.
And he'd still be more valuable than Mark Melancon.

I have a hunch they'll overlook the errors while his OPS is over 1000.
 

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Plympton91 said:
And he'd still be more valuable than Mark Melancon.
I have a hunch they'll overlook the errors while his OPS is over 1000.
and that OPS is gonna look great while he's sitting on the DL.
 

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LuckyBen said:
and that OPS is gonna look great while he's sitting on the DL.
 
Yeah, you and the others are correct, Ben Cherington totally maximized the value of Jed Lowrie's remaining pre-FA years by trading him  for Mark Melancon.  Ben did luck out though, as the trade won't look any worse because Kyle Weiland didn't get out of Boston fast enough to avoid the ridiculous injury hex either, with his career is now in jeopardy due to an attack of flesh-eating bacteria on his pitching shoulder.
 

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Of the 9 starting position players and starting pitcher for the A's tonight, 5 are former Sox:  Crisp, Lowrie, Reddick (batting 1-3), Moss (batting 5th), and Fat Bartolo.
 
Bartolo is absolutely huge, but he looked pretty good v. Les Tigres tonight.
 

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Plympton91 said:
Yeah, you and the others are correct, Ben Cherington totally maximized the value of Jed Lowrie's remaining pre-FA years by trading him  for Mark Melancon.  Ben did luck out though, as the trade won't look any worse because Kyle Weiland didn't get out of Boston fast enough to avoid the ridiculous injury hex either, with his career is now in jeopardy due to an attack of flesh-eating bacteria on his pitching shoulder.
 
Did his shoulder come into contact with Josh Reddick's beard or something?
 

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Until Lowrie can play even half a season without shattering into pieces, its silly to wring hands over another good start on his part. He did this in 2011 too. And got hurt. And 2012. And got hurt.

Giventhe inability of any team to be able to depend on him for even three straight months, i would say getting a 20 save guy in return for him was just about a fair trade for his services.
 

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Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Until Lowrie can play even half a season without shattering into pieces, its silly to wring hands over another good start on his part. He did this in 2011 too. And got hurt. And 2012. And got hurt.

Giventhe inability of any team to be able to depend on him for even three straight months, i would say getting a 20 save guy in return for him was just about a fair trade for his services.
 
Also, Lowrie is gonna be 29 this month, so he really needs to show something now both with sustained health and sustained productivity, his body won't be any less brittle in the coming few years. It's amazing how long he's been around without putting it all together yet still being talked about with remorse by some, this was a guy who was in the rumored Johann Santana deal way back.
 

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Rudy Pemberton said:
They got a 20 save guy for Lowrie? The guy who had an ERA of 6 and was then flipped for another NL central closer who was 6x as expensive? Thankfully we don't have to worry about Lowie now that we have Cal Ripken Jr at short stop.
 
Compared to Lowrie you bet your ass Drew is Ripken.
 

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Hiroyuki Nakajima was slated to be the A's starting SS job coming out of spring training but he hurt.a hamstring. He's rehabbing now. Will be interesting to see if Bob Melvin gets Nakajima back in there on a spot starting basis, opening the competition at SS again or if Lowrie has the job to lose one way or the other. Nakajima will be 31 in July; Lowrie 29 next week. As long as the A's keep winning, I think he has to go with Lowrie. 
 

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nattysez said:
Of the 9 starting position players and starting pitcher for the A's tonight, 5 are former Sox:  Crisp, Lowrie, Reddick (batting 1-3), Moss (batting 5th), and Fat Bartolo.
 
Bartolo is absolutely huge, but he looked pretty good v. Les Tigres tonight.
 
Oakland, who currently has an AL-best 9-2 record, is being led in hitting, among qualified players, by Lowrie, Crisp, and Moss with OPSs of 1.187, 1.095 and 0.943, respectively; they are led in pitching by Bartolo Colon with a weight of 267 lbs. 
 

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Michael Bowden looks like he may have finally put it together. After posting a 2.95 ERA and 1.25 WHIP to finish last year, he is off to a good start this year with a 2.57 ERA and .86 WHIP through 6 games this year.  Obviously being in the NL Central helps, but still just 26 he may just be for real.
 

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Carl Crawford's slash line: .410/.465/.615.
 
Almost as nice as the slash line that's gonna be on my wrists.
 
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