Former Pats DC Schiano
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I never really figured out what Brett Bielema actually did for the Patriots last year but you'd think he would be the natural guy to take on more responsibility, whether formally defensive coordinator or not.
Can we get both the Ryans under one roof? Count me in for entertainment value.
Schiano doesn't concern me. Like others, I wasn't in love with the hiring. I was willing to use a little "In Bill I Trust" potion on myself and move on. But this result strikes me as a win.
That having been said, I am kind of concerned about the many holes in the staff and, more to the point, that the continuity that many have stressed as a benefit over the years will be interrupted on some level. They've just lost a lot of pieces all at once. I know some will say that as long as they have Bill, Dante, Josh and a few others, all is good. And I like the Mayo hire for many reasons, including that he already gets the program.
I also wonder on some level why so many guys jumped all at once. True, following Flores has appeal. But usually coaches and players want to join a winner. We haven't seen much of that this off season, and while it may all be easily explainable (personal decisions, money), the sum total is, at the very least, unusual.
In the end, I have little doubt that Bill will assemble a staff that works. I just wonder if the magnitude of the turnover will affect them adversely in any way.
That having been said, I am kind of concerned about the many holes in the staff and, more to the point, that the continuity that many have stressed as a benefit over the years will be interrupted on some level. They've just lost a lot of pieces all at once. I know some will say that as long as they have Bill, Dante, Josh and a few others, all is good. And I like the Mayo hire for many reasons, including that he already gets the program.
I also wonder on some level why so many guys jumped all at once. True, following Flores has appeal. But usually coaches and players want to join a winner. We haven't seen much of that this off season, and while it may all be easily explainable (personal decisions, money), the sum total is, at the very least, unusual.
In the end, I have little doubt that Bill will assemble a staff that works. I just wonder if the magnitude of the turnover will affect them adversely in any way.
Breer with not a lot of insight into what happened here:
https://pres5.com/forextrading/why-did-greg-schiano-really-leave-the-patriots-cbs-boston/
Yeah this is where I am. Now if Michael B can just retire (or his brother can just sign here), it will make up a little for the beginning of the week.
I find it hard to believe he didn't know what he was getting himself into but maybe there's a difference between knowing it and living it.
I predict he will actually spend 0.0 percent of his newly found free time on his faith. I'm sure he has good intentions and probably is thinking he will but this seems kind of like bullshit that you say when you want to try to win over public opinion for making a move that leaves people in a bad situation. Maybe I'm being cynical.
Also, I kind of resent the implication. I have no doubt that working on the Patriots is a hard job and takes an awful lot of hours, but the idea that BB wouldn't have given Schiano time for bible study or charity works from time to time seems like kind of a crappy thing to imply on the way out the door.
I predict he will actually spend 0.0 percent of his newly found free time on his faith. I'm sure he has good intentions and probably is thinking he will but this seems kind of like bullshit that you say when you want to try to win over public opinion for making a move that leaves people in a bad situation. Maybe I'm being cynical.
Also, I kind of resent the implication. I have no doubt that working on the Patriots is a hard job and takes an awful lot of hours, but the idea that BB wouldn't have given Schiano time for bible study or charity works from time to time seems like kind of a crappy thing to imply on the way out the door.
Lock them in a room and have them fight to the death. The winner gets to be DC.
This reminds me a little bit of Dom Capers in 2008. He had a lot of experience when the Patriots hired him but, for some reason, only lasted a year.
Maybe being an older coach in this system is like being an older player in this system. Sometimes you need to just hang it up.
Maybe being an older coach in this system is like being an older player in this system. Sometimes you need to just hang it up.
Rutgers coaching has sucked for a long time (5 Big "Ten" wins in 5+ years!) and nothing happened between February and March that would have changed that.
I guess it's possible that whichever Rutgers booster that paid off the Chris Ash contract (I think it there was 7.5 mil left) told Schiano that he would only do it if Schiano was brought back as coach.
Would Rutgers want him back? I was under the impression that he wasn’t very popular there due to underperforming expectations.
Maybe, but they would have been expectations set because he did well. They're 26-56 since he left.
As a friend of mine who went there and worked there used to say, it doesn’t really matter who coaches because the school never really committed to letting criminals in to play football. Maybe that’s changed but if not, what Schiano allegedly brought Rutgers was Florida recruiting connections that may not be as strong as they were back then.
But we’ll see, eh?
Everybody who went to a school with a bad athletic program says that. Joining the Big 10 and playing Michigan and Penn St. every year, I'm guessing, has made it harder for them to recruit instate.
True. But I’m not a fan. And I can assure you that division I schools differ greatly in how much criminal behavior athletes can get away with. (I’ve worked at two and adjacent to a third.)
The real bitterness is at the schools that let the criminals in and still lose.
But yeah, I haven’t been around there in years, but the Rutgers football team was far less rapey, for example, than some other programs. Which is a shitty bar, I know, but so it goes... hopefully Title IX enforcement can clean that up a bit so it’s not a factor, it as it stands some schools have a competitive advantage in that players learn which schools are more permissive. It really, really sucks, though I agree some of the worst offenders claim they are not among them.
But I think @DrewDawg ’s theory that the guy looks pretty good now that he’s gone sounds plausible. I just thought it interesting that he wasn’t very popular there at the time.
Fun fact: Rutgers bulldozed a small part of their ecological preserve to build a house for Schiano closer to the athletic facilities. It was a wonderful backdrop to the discussion at the time about what the community wanted out of the football program.
I'm glad to hear that it is true about Rutgers. I never really considered it a northern version of Baylor. More inept than nefarious. I do remember when they first hired Schiano. He was, from some Rutgers fans I knew, was going to be the savior. He wasn't going let other schools poach New Jersey anymore.True. But I’m not a fan. And I can assure you that division I schools differ greatly in how much criminal behavior athletes can get away with. (I’ve worked at two and adjacent to a third.)
The real bitterness is at the schools that let the criminals in and still lose.
But yeah, I haven’t been around there in years, but the Rutgers football team was far less rapey, for example, than some other programs. Which is a shitty bar, I know, but so it goes... hopefully Title IX enforcement can clean that up a bit so it’s not a factor, it as it stands some schools have a competitive advantage in that players learn which schools are more permissive. It really, really sucks, though I agree some of the worst offenders claim they are not among them.
But I think @DrewDawg ’s theory that the guy looks pretty good now that he’s gone sounds plausible. I just thought it interesting that he wasn’t very popular there at the time.
Fun fact: Rutgers bulldozed a small part of their ecological preserve to build a house for Schiano closer to the athletic facilities. It was a wonderful backdrop to the discussion at the time about what the community wanted out of the football program.
The Baylor program should have been burned to the ground and its ashes scattered across the world’s oceans.
NJ poaching is definitely a thing; NJ has some great high school programs.
I just can’t see Schiano being better at recruiting now than he was before, and as @snowmanny points out, he left a fairly plum job that would have been good for his rep.
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1. Amen
2. Definitely
3. I was referring to the first time Rutgers hired him. He didn't do too well then. He couldn't keep BC out. Now he has to compete against Penn St., Michigan, and Ohio St. on on and off the field
Yeah, the recruiting didn’t work out the first time because the Florida players didn’t come; it seems they radically overestimated the staggering drawing power of the Garden State. Schiano didn’t make the difference for the blue chippers, or so went the narrative on campus at the time.
Schiano seems to me to be in a sort of limbo between being not talented enough to coach in the pros and not good enough at recruiting to coach division I (unless it’s a program with an intrinsic draw like the ones you mention are his competition at Rutgers. It should be interesting to see how this plays out, because I’ve never been able to figure out what Belichick sees in the guy. One of his players told me he was a total dick too. Good kid.
I’ve in the past wondered if I should start an AMA thread on what college football programs look like from the POV of working at the schools (I don’t think I’m the only one here, too.) in another forum (maybe a members only one...
) but I dunno, college sports make people cray-cray. 
I worked at Rutgers during their Bowl win.Yeah, the recruiting didn’t work out the first time because the Florida players didn’t come; it seems they radically overestimated the staggering drawing power of the Garden State. Schiano didn’t make the difference for the blue chippers, or so went the narrative on campus at the time.
Schiano seems to me to be in a sort of limbo between being not talented enough to coach in the pros and not good enough at recruiting to coach division I (unless it’s a program with an intrinsic draw like the ones you mention are his competition at Rutgers. It should be interesting to see how this plays out, because I’ve never been able to figure out what Belichick sees in the guy. One of his players told me he was a total dick too. Good kid.
I’ve in the past wondered if I should start an AMA thread on what college football programs look like from the POV of working at the schools (I don’t think I’m the only one here, too.) in another forum (maybe a members only one...
He was a God there during that time. Sort of gross actually.
I'm guessing Schiano would do better than the recent coaches because he's always been a decent recruiter. That was always considered his strength vs the Xs and Os stuff.
His teams produced some real NFL talent. But yeah, I don't think it's going to overcome the structural disadvantages they have in that conference.
His teams produced some real NFL talent. But yeah, I don't think it's going to overcome the structural disadvantages they have in that conference.
See, the thing about Rutgers sports is that there is never a silver lining. They let in plenty of criminals for years and years. Just not the right ones
That's just a sampling. Rutgers is not upholding higher academic (or moral) standards for their athletes. Kyle Flood (2 coaches ago) was fired for not only losing but also trying to browbeat an adjunct into changing a grade.
There are no happy Rutgers stories, at least not among the alleged revenue-generating sports. Their most successful player is Ray Rice. It just goes on and on. (You can stretch and let in Carli Lloyd, I guess).
Edit to add some sunshine: The math and philosophy programs are world-class (and their economic history field, ahem). They lead the Big Ten in a lot of diversity measures. They pay their adjuncts better than most area schools.
That's just a sampling. Rutgers is not upholding higher academic (or moral) standards for their athletes. Kyle Flood (2 coaches ago) was fired for not only losing but also trying to browbeat an adjunct into changing a grade.
There are no happy Rutgers stories, at least not among the alleged revenue-generating sports. Their most successful player is Ray Rice. It just goes on and on. (You can stretch and let in Carli Lloyd, I guess).
Edit to add some sunshine: The math and philosophy programs are world-class (and their economic history field, ahem). They lead the Big Ten in a lot of diversity measures. They pay their adjuncts better than most area schools.
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Good discussion, but we’re getting pretty far afield of BBtLs. Is there interest in a separate thread on this stuff?
Also: A friend of mine had Ray Rice in class. He was not a scholar. In case you were wondering.
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I'm sure the buyout is much. He knew had an incredible amount of leverage and squeezed them as hard as he could.
As an RU alum, I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, he had success with the program before. On the other hand, it seems crazy to spend so much money on a football program.
