Yeah, I'm with you. Russell is my favorite driver. I dislike Mercedes and rooted for Max to beat Hamilton, until today. Max got too cute, too much in that race.Agreed. My hope is for George Russell to dethrone Hamilton.
I think the announcers are homers for their countryman in Hamilton. So, I'm sure that influenced my mood. I thought Max should have pulled over for Hamilton, instead of staying in the middle of the track. I don't think it was a brake check, but still unsafe driving. Hamilton could have been more decisive, Max was slow and Hamilton has space to pass. Maybe that incident is on the race directorI watched without commentary. It made it extremely difficult to judge what was going on, but the group I was with (split evenly between Max and Hamilton support) left with a very different feeling for the race than I’m getting here. I’m curious what effect that has in perception.
FIA made a hash of the race, but Max made two mistakes (IMO) that were a very bad look for him.I watched without commentary. It made it extremely difficult to judge what was going on, but the group I was with (split evenly between Max and Hamilton support) left with a very different feeling for the race than I’m getting here. I’m curious what effect that has in perception.
It's a bit messy in that I'm not clear on if VER being told to give the place back was coming from the team, trying to head off a penalty, or was coming from the race directo for the blown corner ont he re-start.It seems like there’s absolute consensus that the FIA really blew it. It didn’t just happen today. Inconsistency, lack of transparency, and confounding penalties have been a hallmark of the entire championship. It culminated in an absolute mess today.
The FIA absolutely deserves to have the two take each other out. The fans should have better.
this is a good post, but I see your points 4 and 5 differently. In general, I don’t think most of the drivers sound great in team radio - most are petulant (“why won’t you tell X to let me by” )or are speaking to get a narrative on the broadcast to race control (“I got squeezed out on that turn”).Ok. Saw the highlights again. Thoughts.
1. Seems to me the comments about Max are overly harsh. He's fighting for the world championship with a car that looks slower now; today he was doing it in a track that is unforgiving for both mistakes and hard racing. What is he supposed to do other than fight hard and look for any edge he can get when he has the worse machine?
2. Also seems to me that the collision was a misunderstanding. From the view from Lewis' car it looked as if Max was in the middle of the road, but the overhead camera is showing him moving to he right and slowing down as he hears the radio message that he needs to give the place back. Lewis hadn't heard that and he was probably trying to take advantage of Max's slipstream in order to overtake but then Max slowed down and they collided.
3. All in all, I would agree that Max is a driver that takes more risks than Hamilton. But when Hamilton felt that the championship was slipping away in Silverstone and Monza he also tried to find the edge wherever he could.
4. Hamilton deserves all the credit in the world for hanging tough when he was behind and trying his best claw back into championship contention when his car was worse. He's also smart about being conservative when he needs to and aggressive when he needs to. But like I said before he's an unbearable wanker when things don't go his way. It fine and dandy to give credit to his crew when he's winning, but it's a mark of good character when you re also giving credit when things aren't going his way; instead he acts like a spoiled brat.
5. If Max loses the championship - which is now more likely than not- it will be because on the whole, breaks went Hamilton's way. The flat tire in Baku, the collision in Silverstone that only threw Max out of commission, the Bottas-Russell collision that allowed Hamilton to get back in the race in Imola after he had a shunt.
On the whole, I would like Max to win partly because it would be nice to see a fresh face taste victory, partly because he deserves it. But if Hamilton wins it, he will also be very deserving.
Helmut is close. They are quite a RedBull Power couple.
They're why I'm a Lewis fan. I love to hate RB. They're an incredible enemy. I try not to blame Max for RB's shit, but it's getting harder and harder to seperate it. They're perfect for each other, and it seems Perez is the only adult in there.Red Bull are incredibly hateable, especially without Danny. That anybody wants them to win is down to Lewis fatigue.
You need to finish in the top 10 to claim the fastest lap point.My favorite potential scenario on Sunday: Hamilton gets the fastest lap early in the race, he and Max then somehow take each other out, and the championship hinges on whether someone else in the field can beat Hamilton's lap time. Can you imagine?
Literally every successful F1 driver operates in their own personal bubble. And their insulation is usually reinforced by the team, which has a vested interest in keeping the driver happy and is therefore reluctant to contradict anything they say.Or that Lewis is the biggest whiner in sports
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/michael-schumachers-moment-of-madness-at-jerez-1997“Interestingly, when he came back into the pits, he had a completely different mental view of what had happened. It wasn’t until he saw the TV that he realised what had really happened.
“He came back to the pits and he was telling us, ‘we have to get Villeneuve disqualified,’ and I said ‘Michael, you really need to look at the TV because it really doesn’t look that way I’m afraid.’
“He looked, and he went quiet and realised that things hadn’t been quite the way he thought they were from the cockpit.”
I am of the opinion that Masi should be given close to 100% of the blame for the chaos on the track.They're why I'm a Lewis fan. I love to hate RB. They're an incredible enemy. I try not to blame Max for RB's shit, but it's getting harder and harder to seperate it. They're perfect for each other, and it seems Perez is the only adult in there.
On the race, I think Masi was in a no-win. The track was a joke. I only found out after the race that they had no cranes? If true that's unbelievable. Did they not need any cranes during the build? It was only finished on like thursday right? So now every crash basically needed a red flag. The track was too skinny to begin with and without cranes it was going to be impossible to have a smooth production. IDK how much of that was Masi's fault but he certainly admitted a lot when his excuse to Merc was essentially "I can't handle this -- there are too many buttons"
As @SocrManiac indicated, this isn't how it works. (It's also unrealistic, as the fastest lap is always set near the end of the race when cars are running on a significantly reduced fuel load.)My favorite potential scenario on Sunday: Hamilton gets the fastest lap early in the race, he and Max then somehow take each other out, and the championship hinges on whether someone else in the field can beat Hamilton's lap time. Can you imagine?
On the track yes, but unless it was his decision to have the race on a clown track just finished before the weekend, I don't think he can deserve all the blame for the weekend. IMO the track is bad enough that they can't go there again without huge improvements.I am of the opinion that Masi should be given close to 100% of the blame for the chaos on the track.
His intent may have been pure, but his attempt to "negotiate" a solution to potential infractions in real-time rather than allow the stewards to make a decision completely backfired because he could not communicate to both teams simultaneously. This led to the initial collision when Hamilton did not understand what Verstappen was doing when he slowed dramatically.
All Masi has to do is allow the stewards to make their ruling and there is no confusion. (Red Bull might not like the outcome, but both teams would be notified at the same time.) By trying to short-circuit that process, he created chaos, prompting justifiable fury from both Red Bull and Mercedes.
He made several "offers" like this, including at the point right before Verstappen slammed on the brakes in front of Hamilton. After the accident, we heard Masi on the horn with Mercedes making the comment you quoted about "too many buttons" as his excuse for why he was not able to inform Mercedes that Verstappen would be giving the place back.On the track yes, but unless it was his decision to have the race on a clown track just finished before the weekend, I don't think he can deserve all the blame for the weekend. IMO the track is bad enough that they can't go there again without huge improvements.
Also the "offer" and the collision are for two separate incidents right? The offer was done under the Mazapin red flag (around lap 10?) and the collision was under green flag racing after the lap 37 incident. I didn't have a problem w the offer, but on the position swap it was apparent to me that he bungled the order in communication w RB and Merc. If you're going to alert teams of a position swap, you have to alert the following team first. I think he did the opposite
To be clear, we didn’t hear the “offer”the second time. But we do know that it happened because we heard the conversation where Masi discussed it with Mercedes and they noted that they had not been told quickly enough to relay it to their driver.Ok I only heard one offer