Future 40-man roster

[alwyn96]

Not to take away from this discussion, but I'm curious about the upcoming state of the 40-man roster, and whether hoarding all the prospects for next year is even possible. I don't quite know who needs to go on the 40-man next year in order to not be lost, but I imagine the current guys on the bubble are:
 
-Doubront
-Carp
-Lavarnway
-Britton
-Butler
-Wilson
-Hassan
-Brentz
-Wright
-Layne (? I completely missed that they added this guy. Seems interesting, at least)
 
I'm sure they can retain most, but not all these guys for next year. I'm guessing Barnes will probably have to be added, but I really have no idea. Do Owens/Swihart/Marrero/Johnson/Coyle need to be added? How much crowding (if any) are we looking at for next year? I know someone if bored enough or hates their job enough to find this answer for me. 

 

[amfox1]

I'm guessing Barnes will probably have to be added, but I really have no idea. Do Owens/Swihart/Marrero/Johnson/Coyle need to be added?

Barnes, Swihart and Coyle need to be added. Owens, Marrero and Johnson do not.

 

[alwyn96]

Barnes, Swihart and Coyle need to be added. Owens, Marrero and Johnson do not.

 
Awesome, thanks. Any other obvious guys who the Red Sox would want to add? 
 
If that's it, then it seems like the Red Sox could do just fine hoarding more low minors prospects, but might not have much flexibility to take on guys closer to, but maybe not yet ready for MLB (ie, future Brock Holts) in a deadline deal.  

 

[Sprowl]

Not to take away from this discussion...

 
Split out from the Deadline Discussion and Daubach is My Binky thread. I think it deserves a separate discussion.

 

[alwyn96]

 

http://wiki.soxprospects.com/Rule+5+Eligible+Players

 
I can't believe I forgot that page. I've even used it before!
 
40-man slots
 
Definites (barring trade or horrific injury):
8 pitchers - Lackey, Buchholz, Rubby, Workman, Tazawa, Mujica (ugh), Webster, Ranaudo, Barnes, 
13 position players - Ortiz, Pedroia, Napoli, Victorino, Nava, Bogaerts, Bradley, Betts, Vazquez, Holt, Cecchini, Coyle, Swihart
 
Maybes
3 pitchers -Wilson, Doubront, Britton
5 position players-Brentz, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, Herrera, Carp
 
Probably Not
- Layne
- Hassan?
 
Assuming gone:
-Peavy, Badenhop, Miller, Uehara, Ross, Gomes, Breslow, Drew, LESTER
 
On the bubble (soxprospects ranking):
Celestino, De La Cruz, Diaz(18), Perkins, Ramirez(23), Ramos(24), Shaw(19), Torres, Villareal, Younginer
 
25-man
C Vazquez, ?
1B Napoli, Carp
2B Pedroia
SS Bogaerts
3B Holt/?
LF ?/Nava
CF Bradley/?
RF Victorino/?
DH Papi
UT Herrera
 
SP Lackey
SP Buchholz
SP Rubby
SP ?
SP ?
 
RP Tazawa
RP Workman
RP Mujica
RP Doubront?
RP ?
RP ?
RP ?
 
I'm throwing some assumptions in there that one could definitely argue with. I'm hoping they resign Miller and Uehara. I think Doubront's probably run out of chances. Maybe (fairly or unfairly) Middlebrooks too. Unless one of Ranaudo/Webster/Workman come up and dominate in the 2nd half I think they start 2015 in AAA. 
So that's 29 spots accounted for with the definites and maybes, and they need at least 3 relievers, a backup (or starting) C, a quality LF, a CF capable OF, and at least one average SP. That's 36, and doesn't leave much room for many of the bubble guys, as they'll need some additional backups in AAA. I think they'd probably lose Ramirez, Diaz, and possibly Shaw if they don't clear some stuff out in trade. I think it's use it or lose it time for a bunch of these guys. 

 

[Boggs26]

You don't have Lester anywhere on that list...

 

[sfip]

Bump so someone who's less lazy than I am can update how Escobar and Hembree will fit in. Both were on the Giants' 40-man.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Bump so someone who's less lazy than I am can update how Escobar and Hembree will fit in. Both were on the Giants' 40-man.

 
Immediately, the Sox have only 39 players on the 40-man roster, and just lost another.  So no additional move is needed at this time.
 
And, if they can't free up a spot ahead of the 7/31 trade deadline, I imagine they'll probably either DFA Alex Wilson or Lavarnway whenever Ryan's finished his rehab and looking to be reinstated from the 60-day DL.  

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Figured it's time to bring this thread back with all the changes... looks like the Red Sox have two spots open on the 40 man roster, unless I'm missing something...
 
Catchers
1: Vazquez
2: Ross
3: Butler
... Lavarnway (DL60)
 
Infielders
4: Napoli
5: Pedroia
6: Middlebrooks
7: Bogaerts
8: Holt
9: Herrera
10: Betts
11: Carp
12: Cecchini
13: Johnson
 
Outfielders / DH
14: Ortiz
15: Craig
16: Bradley
17: Cespedes
18: Victorino
19: Nava
20: Brentz
21: Hassan
 
Starting Pitchers
22: Buchholz
23: Kelly
24: Workman
25: Ranaudo
26: Webster
27: De La Rosa
28: Escobar
29: Wright
 
Relief Pitchers
30: Uehara
31: Tazawa
32: Badenhop
33: Breslow
34: Mujica
35: Britton
36: Hembree
37: Layne
38: Wilson
39:
40: 
 
There's some definite DFA/waiver possibilities here, specifically in Carp, Johnson, Breslow and Mujica - although there's no immediate need to move them for the roster space.
 
The 25 man is less clear...
 
Vazquez, Napoli, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Ortiz, Craig, Bradley, Cespedes, Holt, Nava, Ross = 12 position players
 
Buchholz, Uehara, Tazawa, Badenhop = 4 pitchers who are here pretty much no matter what
 
After that, one or two of the following: Victorino (DL?), Carp, Betts, Johnson, Cecchini, Brentz, Herrera, Hassan
 
And seven or eight of the remaining pitchers: Kelly, Workman, Ranaudo, Webster, De La Rosa, Breslow, Mujica, Britton, Escobar, Hembree, Layne, Wilson, Wright